EPTIN OTHER NEWS: people care too much about passives. OHMAN MALADY IS GREAT BECAUSE THE PASSIVE IS SOOOO MUCH DEEPS. OMG SPELL VAMP.
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
IN OTHER NEWS: people care too much about passives. OHMAN MALADY IS GREAT BECAUSE THE PASSIVE IS SOOOO MUCH DEEPS. OMG SPELL VAMP. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:41 Southlight wrote: Veil is good because it's the only MR item that also gives HP... ... why're people bothering about anything else? :x HP, magic res, and mana aka more HP. Great item for singed, o.o; | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:51 Ecael wrote: Wait, how does an item that gives you exactly what you need with relatively good cost efficiency make it not necessarily a great item? if what you need is HP and MRes, you can just buy Giant's Belt, Negatron, and Null and you'll end up ahead of BV for less cost. of course this is ignoring other shit, but it just sorta goes back to Utah's discussion on Heart of Gold... if you don't care about the passive of Sunfire, you could just stacks HoGs and you'll end up tankier and you won't hurt from roaming for ganks as much. We often get caught up in this mindset of, "zomg, need HPz and mReses, I know, Aegis or BVeil are teh only options!" when we should frequently just think of getting a giant's belt and a negatron. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:06 Mogwai wrote: dagger is fucking terrible as your first item for jungler. try cloth armor -> madred's razor, you should see much much faster jungling, especially the speed with which you can take buff creeps and dragon. jungle yis I see typically do like, razor, vamp scepter, ghostblade for their early build. sometimes they get lantern since it's an efficient way to roll up your razor and your scepter, but sometimes they don't combine so that they can get bloodrazors later to diversify damage output and then use the vamp scepter for executioner's, stark's or Bloodthirster. also, other than AP Yi, I don't really see meditate being effective. DPS Yi should typically be able to get better survivability from hitting really fucking hard with lifesteal than he would get from standing there in meditate, at least from my experience. Nunu, Galio... Also, as the tank, you should be making yourself enough of an issue that they have to choose between dealing with you or letting you ruin them. Banshee's helps this by making it harder for them to CC and then ignore you. For instance, Banshee's on Amumu will do wonders vs. shit like Ashe using her ult to fuck with your initiation. I still generally think FoN is a better Negatron upgrade on tanks than Banshee's, but BV has it's place and is pretty much always strong for your survivablity The opening is based one yi i saw on hotshotggs stream, and thats basically the build which oi am trying to replicate as good as i can. And I dont think you've tried opening dagger on yi, because Im usually ahead of 2v2 lanes withoit kills. And meditate will save you ALOT (even though its weak compared to ap yi) and no way lifesteal before LATELATE game can be better than 200 mr / armor and 700 health regen. Usually I'd bow thinking that youre a superior player (which you are no doubt) but i doubt you tried it before at all. I feel as though its as fast as my udyr jungle. And think of my opening as opening at stone golems at udyr - you go back because of mana more than HP after wolves. The only thing cloth armor 5 pot would solve is having a safer feel to it and if you wanted to start at mana golem. Edit; quoted wrong guy. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
57 MR 2715 gold 430 HP 1110 gold 48 MR 740 gold 1850 gold total 900 gold for 450 mana, 20 HP, 9 MR, and one spellblock. Food for thought, eh  Edit: Personally I only actually go for Veil on heroes that make use of the mana (primarily Singed and Udyr), so I understand where you're coming from. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:57 Mogwai wrote: if what you need is HP and MRes, you can just buy Giant's Belt, Negatron, and Null and you'll end up ahead of BV for less cost. of course this is ignoring other shit, but it just sorta goes back to Utah's discussion on Heart of Gold... if you don't care about the passive of Sunfire, you could just stacks HoGs and you'll end up tankier and you won't hurt from roaming for ganks as much. We often get caught up in this mindset of, "zomg, need HPz and mReses, I know, Aegis or BVeil are teh only options!" when we should frequently just think of getting a giant's belt and a negatron. I thought we also had MP to take into consideration here, but I see your point. I mentioned last page that as Amumu, I like the mana that comes along with all that, as it makes me less dependent on blue. But yeah, should we only have HP and MRes to consider, then it would be by far better to simply get Giant's and Negatron and add whatever else as necessary. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:01 Southlight wrote: 450 HP 57 MR 2715 gold 430 HP 1110 gold 48 MR 740 gold 1850 gold total 900 gold for 450 mana, 20 HP, 9 MR, and one spellblock. Food for thought, eh Edit: Personally I only actually go for Veil on heroes that make use of the mana (primarily Singed and Udyr), so I understand where you're coming from. I'd rather go FoN on both except if they had veigar / blitz where that spellblock really can save you from horizon / grab. And iirc udyr usually dont have mana issues past lvl 15? Maybe i just dont get things. | ||
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Southlight
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:05 Southlight wrote: I have mana issues on Udyr every moment that I don't have golem no matter the level, except for the days of Locket. I feel like I die or stay too much in turtle for mana issues to matter at all when i play udyr | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:00 Iplaythings wrote: The opening is based one yi i saw on hotshotggs stream, and thats basically the build which oi am trying to replicate as good as i can. And I dont think you've tried opening dagger on yi, because Im usually ahead of 2v2 lanes withoit kills. And meditate will save you ALOT (even though its weak compared to ap yi) and no way lifesteal before LATELATE game can be better than 200 mr / armor and 700 health regen. Usually I'd bow thinking that youre a superior player (which you are no doubt) but i doubt you tried it before at all. I feel as though its as fast as my udyr jungle. And think of my opening as opening at stone golems at udyr - you go back because of mana more than HP after wolves. The only thing cloth armor 5 pot would solve is having a safer feel to it and if you wanted to start at mana golem. being ahead of 2v2 lanes is par for the course as a jungler. that's not because you have a dagger, it's because you're getting solo exp while jungling. I dunno, just try it out with cloth, you should be able to have a longer first run in the jungle and then you should be tearing stuff up way quicker when you get your razors. | ||
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Southlight
United States11767 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:13 Mogwai wrote: being ahead of 2v2 lanes is par for the course as a jungler. that's not because you have a dagger, it's because you're getting solo exp while jungling. I dunno, just try it out with cloth, you should be able to have a longer first run in the jungle and then you should be tearing stuff up way quicker when you get your razors. I actually dunno if Cloth is the best opening for Yi, either. I really don't know. Also HSGG's stream is filled with shitty players so please please please don't take what you see there as gospel. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:13 Mogwai wrote: being ahead of 2v2 lanes is par for the course as a jungler. that's not because you have a dagger, it's because you're getting solo exp while jungling. I dunno, just try it out with cloth, you should be able to have a longer first run in the jungle and then you should be tearing stuff up way quicker when you get your razors. the main reason why i go back after wraiths is that i usually dont have enough mana to continue anyways, which makes my jungle slower, and i never felt like i needed cloth armor / health pot. Dagger also helps me rush zeal + boots + lizard + ghost which results in a something which is a riddicolously hard gank. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 26 2010 03:41 Southlight wrote: Veil is good because it's the only MR item that also gives HP... ... why're people bothering about anything else? :x Hah, fail! Aegis of the Legion! Which is insanely cost effective in teamfights, even if you discard the 8 AD. I am usually aiming for a bunch of Sunfires if I play tanky Cho, but most of the time I just need more MRes first. So I often just get the Giant's Belt and a Negatron first. Upgrade to SFC when possible, FoN when needed. I often end up with a full inventory because of the half-built FoN and SFC, maybe a few wards here and there. Thank god they introduced instant potions! | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:05 Southlight wrote: I have mana issues on Udyr every moment that I don't have golem no matter the level, except for the days of Locket. Since I feel that way too, if nothing else, I can't be not spamming enough as Udyr, good to know that  I can't help but wonder if GA is a better alternative for Cho in terms of MR item to rush, after a Negatron's. It isn't like Feast wouldn't give you some extra 900 hp. | ||
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spinesheath
Germany8679 Posts
On August 26 2010 04:19 Ecael wrote: Since I feel that way too, if nothing else, I can't be not spamming enough as Udyr, good to know that I can't help but wonder if GA is a better alternative for Cho in terms of MR item to rush, after a Negatron's. It isn't like Feast wouldn't give you some extra 900 hp. If you tend to be ignored and die last as Cho then I would delay GA. Otherwise it's great. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
E>Q after level 6 so you can do more DPS on turret was well as champs but mostly turrets. My Yi is a heavy pusher, never tried AP yi b4 but i guess it goes with rage blade? | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
For instance, you're low, they hit you but you medidate, they get attacked by your creeps and lose HP faster than you are... that sort of thing. Or use it to tank a tower shot for your team, etc. The benefits of wuju style isn't all that, either -_- I'd take 2 points in meditate. | ||
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