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pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
August 25 2010 17:18 GMT
#14441

Ye i have flash/ghost yet i fail
Anyway ill try to do some dmg with auto attack.Soft them up a littlbit and then E,Q we shall see thx anyway

oh btw i couldnt take it anymore so I went back to nidalee,guess what i raped with 12/0/2...i dont understand hehe
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 17:30:37
August 25 2010 17:22 GMT
#14442
urgot's slow is only applied if your sheild is active, so i didnt really put that in, but yeah, i guess that adds to his utility. Also, about the range, im pretty sure that E's range is similar to panth's q (a litte bit longer since its aoe), so while the lock on distance is huge, you have to hit that e first. Anyways, i already did all this math crap earlier, and it was just my bad/idiocy that resulted in me assuming that every1 else knew as well

edit: wow, completely overlooked the fact that his grenade gives armor reduction. Still doesnt change the fact that his scaling sux tho, but basically boost the dmg a bit to armored ppl, so i guess he is better against tanks lategame than panth

lol mybe u can add this info to your panth post and compare the hero thats 'supposed' to be terribad late game scaling and panth haha
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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
August 25 2010 17:31 GMT
#14443
Need some friends on Europe server because I cannot bear ranked solo queue.
Summoner name : MiggyMogMow

I play Akali/Sivir/Kat/Kennen
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 17:44:57
August 25 2010 17:38 GMT
#14444
On August 26 2010 02:31 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
Need some friends on Europe server because I cannot bear ranked solo queue.
Summoner name : MiggyMogMow

I play Akali/Sivir/Kat/Kennen


if only you were on US i would love to duo with you

btw, i would like a duo partner, max ranked elo was 1375, current is like 1315 or something like that

edit: i suppose i should mention that i work mon-fri, 9-5 and i dont get home till ~ 6-7, so i cant play until then

and summoner name BEAR Barbsq
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scDeluX
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Canada1341 Posts
August 25 2010 17:43 GMT
#14445
Still looking for people to get from 1400 to 1500 ELO on 3v3 US tonight at 17h30 EST

Add me @ SaiBot

(it's ok if your good and in 1300 range)
Brood War is forever
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
August 25 2010 17:49 GMT
#14446
On August 26 2010 02:38 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2010 02:31 ToT)OjKa( wrote:
Need some friends on Europe server because I cannot bear ranked solo queue.
Summoner name : MiggyMogMow

I play Akali/Sivir/Kat/Kennen


if only you were on US i would love to duo with you

btw, i would like a duo partner, max ranked elo was 1375, current is like 1315 or something like that

edit: i suppose i should mention that i work mon-fri, 9-5 and i dont get home till ~ 6-7, so i cant play until then

and summoner name BEAR Barbsq


I was thinking about getting the US client but I really can not do the 1-30 again [[[[[[[[[
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
August 25 2010 17:53 GMT
#14447
On August 26 2010 02:07 ShoreT wrote:
How do you guys suggest building Singed?

RoA -> FoN / Frozen heart / Banshee's / Rylais / Wardens mail.
As most tanks you gotta deviate.

Also my first game as galio went 8-3-13. If I cried about being fucked over some days ago I am DEFINITLY over that. I am 16-1 since I started playing a "descent" carry named jungle Yi.

Skill build: QWWQWRQQQERWWEEREE

Remember to balance out meditate - alpha strikes if you dont have golem you cant be as "safe" with meditate.

Because of the lack of guide i am gonna say how i do it (it will clear jungle somewhat fast, not WW fast if you get unlucky with alpha strike but w/e)
Build; Dagger + 1 pot. Generally if alpha strikes proccs at the stone golems, save ur pot, if it doesnt use it. then go wraith - wolf. If you got lucky with alpha strikes (2-3 proccs) you go opposite wraiths. if youre not you just bluepill after wolves (which you should be able to kill with 0 alpha strike proccs). If you were somewhat lucky and had 1 procc you go kill 2 small golems then bluepill.
then go golem - wraith lizard. Check for gank opportunitties. If noone. Look for opponent junglers, help out a 1v2 lane who needs blue pill.

Itembuild I use (I bet this could use ALOT of fixing though).
Dagger + 1 health pot opening.
boots (you should be able to get this, or nearly get this while bluepilling, if you have 330 gold i tend to wait, if i have 300 i tend to buy a potion + 250cost regen item)
zeal
upgrade boots to merc treads or ninja tabi
avarice blade
emblem
ghostblade
starks
phantom dancer
game usually ends here but GA / Banshee / IE are usually a good idea.
Sometimes it will be a good idea to get LW instead of upgrading zeal or emblem if your opponents stack armor.
for thornmail, MR and lifesteal is my best advice, though you generally should avoid attacking the thornmail target.

For teamfights (cus this is where Yi loses his use undtil lategame) you should use mediditate everytime more than 1 focuses you. and be REALLY selective of when to go in, and be aware that master rightclick isnt you q+r+ghostblade+rightclick their easiest to catch carry! GO!
Sorry bro, thats not how it works, often after going in you have to go out of fight and W and then comeback to clean up (this is, if you survived the first phase of the teamfight at all).

Another thing, is that you cant be so greedy with red buff. With ezreal being ever so popular nowadays you should save red buff for him (but otherwise red buff should be on you as much as you can, without it you cant chase nearly as good and jungle v jungle fights become a pain).

Same thing for blue buff, that you will go oom SO fast if youre in a siege where you would LOOOVE to have it. With it, you can clear their creep waves earlier and harassment problems from a longranged nuke will become irrelevant fast because you can just meditate. Sadly, a Janna / Anivia / Heimer would probally benefit more. But if youre in a phase that you just tend to be on fight in jungle / lane w/e. In any noone drawn out fight even the CDR on the blue buff wont help much at all.

To wrap this up I want to emphasis how useless Yi is without mana or red buff. Without it youre just a fragile, easily kited, glasscannon.

Now go slaughter me and tell me how bad this build is
In the woods, there lurks..
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
August 25 2010 18:00 GMT
#14448
i dislike banshee's on any tanks. It basically says 'hey you cant cast shit on me, so ignore me' when, as the tank, its part of your job description to try and soak up as much dmg and cc as you can.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 18:09:11
August 25 2010 18:06 GMT
#14449
dagger is fucking terrible as your first item for jungler. try cloth armor -> madred's razor, you should see much much faster jungling, especially the speed with which you can take buff creeps and dragon. jungle yis I see typically do like, razor, vamp scepter, ghostblade for their early build. sometimes they get lantern since it's an efficient way to roll up your razor and your scepter, but sometimes they don't combine so that they can get bloodrazors later to diversify damage output and then use the vamp scepter for executioner's, stark's or Bloodthirster.

also, other than AP Yi, I don't really see meditate being effective. DPS Yi should typically be able to get better survivability from hitting really fucking hard with lifesteal than he would get from standing there in meditate, at least from my experience.

On August 26 2010 03:00 barbsq wrote:
i dislike banshee's on any tanks. It basically says 'hey you cant cast shit on me, so ignore me' when, as the tank, its part of your job description to try and soak up as much dmg and cc as you can.

Nunu, Galio...

Also, as the tank, you should be making yourself enough of an issue that they have to choose between dealing with you or letting you ruin them. Banshee's helps this by making it harder for them to CC and then ignore you. For instance, Banshee's on Amumu will do wonders vs. shit like Ashe using her ult to fuck with your initiation. I still generally think FoN is a better Negatron upgrade on tanks than Banshee's, but BV has it's place and is pretty much always strong for your survivablity
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
mrgerry
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1508 Posts
August 25 2010 18:06 GMT
#14450
I used to like FoN on singed but I've moved towards a heavier AP style of singed ever since that rylai's change. So depending on what kind of dmg they have I use one of 2 builds.

Heavy magic: Rod/Merc Treads --> Cloak --> Rylais --> Abyssal Scepter --> Zhonyas

Heavy dps: Catalyst - Boots - HoG - Rod - Randuins - Rylais

People are usually pretty good at giving me solos so I never really worry about going pure tank items since Im outlvling everyone anyways and having the extra lvl in ult makes you that much tankier. Its really up to you what items to go for the situation but I personally love using the first build because I can really get some great magic dmg pumping.
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 18:09:30
August 25 2010 18:09 GMT
#14451
On August 26 2010 03:00 barbsq wrote:
i dislike banshee's on any tanks. It basically says 'hey you cant cast shit on me, so ignore me' when, as the tank, its part of your job description to try and soak up as much dmg and cc as you can.


I find that being really annoying and in their face makes them want to hit me anyway even with banshees. Every tank I play I try to be in front of squishies on my team and really freaking annoying with slow/stuns. And I always get banshees. It's just too good of an item to fail to some theory on the other team's mentality.


Then again, I like playing cho with 6 stacks. So banshees is about as tall as his waist.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 25 2010 18:10 GMT
#14452
i do singed the same as spud, cant go wrong with treads/rod/rylai's as your core
Brees on in
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
August 25 2010 18:15 GMT
#14453
lol, i was wondering whether or not to put nunu/galio into the exceptions list, but w/e

i still think that in most cases, ur gonna want something else more than veil on the tanks. Whenever i see that blue circle, i feel like i should save my cc and whatnot for some1 else and hesitate to blow my spells on them
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Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 25 2010 18:15 GMT
#14454
I have to say, singed with rylais is the most frustrating hero to fight in the game. Worse than Kassadin, worse than Nidalee, worse than even Shaco. He runs in there, LETS YOU HIT HIM, and DOESN'T CARE. At least you can punish an out-of-position Shaco, if you can disable him and have oracles, etc.
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spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 25 2010 18:20 GMT
#14455
But if you are right there in the middle of the fight and your enemies aren't stupid and break your Veil with a cheap low CD spell instead of an ECA, then Banshees really doesn't too much since you will eat way more than 1 spell per 30 seconds. Compare that to a squishy ranged char who is rarely hit, and might require some more expensive spells to actually hit him at all. In this case the Veil really shines.

But it still really depends on the character. If you have a good use for all the stats then Banshees probably is a great choice in almost every case. If you have no use for the Mana then you might want to think twice before getting it.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
August 25 2010 18:20 GMT
#14456
I love FoN on Singed it's the greatest item evar. Mercs tread > RoA > FoN > Banshees > GA. Throw in some haunting guise or rylais if you want some more AP.
Retvrn to Forvms
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
August 25 2010 18:39 GMT
#14457
My opinion on Veil:
It's a very enemy-specific item. The point of Veil isn't to BLOCK ALL THE SPELLS! It's to absorb damage/CC and stop combos. If you're a tank out in front of the crowd, Ashe shouldn't be able to initiate with ECA. If you're a tank in the middle of a fight, someone's going to have to blow a spell on you to get rid of Veil. Singed coming for you? Gotta pop Veil first! Annie ults you? Grin and bear it - no combo for her! Ryze tries to nab you out of position? Can't hold you in place until Overload actually makes contact!
The other selling point of Veil is that it gives pretty good MR while building out of the best laning item in the game.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 25 2010 18:39 GMT
#14458
wait, is this thread turning into a typical Mogwai rant on how Singed is the most stupidly broken character in the game because he just runs around and does whatever he wants and while he's doing that, he's accidentally killing your team while taking, like, no damage whatsoever? oh yea and when he wants, he just throws you back into his team, but most of the time he doesn't even need to do that, he just needs to run around like an idiot.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-25 18:41:35
August 25 2010 18:41 GMT
#14459
Veil is good because it's the only MR item that also gives HP...

... why're people bothering about anything else? :x
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
August 25 2010 18:48 GMT
#14460
The MP is pretty awesome on Amumu imo, being able to pass blue to more needy casters and still tantrum-despair-bandage your way through teamfights is excellent.

But yeah, if you are a threat, which, as a tank, you are supposed to be to an extent. It doesn't matter whether you have a Banshee's, they'll still all kill you. A tank doesn't stop being a target just by being immune to one spell every 30 seconds, it stops being a tank when the opposing team deems it is unnecessary to target the tank.
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