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On August 24 2010 23:36 ManBearPig wrote:
So I've been playing some AP Sion, he's pretty fun and really strong during laning. So far I've been going something like RoA, merc treads (mostly), SS, Zhonya's, whatever (not necessarily in that order). Seems pretty straightforward. Feel like he would rly benefit from CDR, but besides blue elixir/golem I never get any. Don't feel like the DFG nuke is that good on him since you always initiate with a stun that will (hopefully) take a chunk out of their hp before u can use it?
Any tips, different item builds?
Turkey builds stinger/nashor's a lot on Sion, lol. He just wings his build every fucking game though, haha.
EDIT: oh, the only constant is opening Sheen. After that it's like, ?????????????????????
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servers down for anyone else?
also it's nice that shaco and heimer aren't insta bans any more, and i can focus on banning urdot so my teammates won't pick him
here's where they messed up with him (as told by someone who hasn't played him yet, lol): VS was the best champion in DotA because of her extremely high utility. she had a long stun even from level 1, an armor reducing nuke, a damage buffing aura, and then her godlike ult which was both an instant and insane range version of urdot's. she had good attack speed and could carry a team in a pinch, but was primarily used as a suicide initiator for her ult. what made her BALANCED is that in a late-game scenario, ulting the other team's carry out of their 5man formation would result in the carry dying... but since she had some of the lowest HP growth and base health in the game, she'd die too, almost always. you'd sacrifice her utility for their power, usually to great effect. what made her a top ban was that pre-teamfight time, her stun and her ult made chasing someone down and tower diving them ezpz(lmnsqzee). she was good, but still balanced, just a pain to play against.
urdot takes VS's two top abilities (stun and swap) and combines them into one super ult... and also gives himself huge resistance bonuses as well. it's not really *fair* to be able to swap into their team, have their carry die while you're unkillable. i think the saving grace is that the range looks pitiful so it's not going to be like VS, who could swap you away from your team from the length of the map at level 16... i'm not sold on his other abilities, they look just meh. another damage dealing tank that decreases physical damage... okay? enjoy being shit on by all the tanks that exert extremely high magical damage over time in the current metagame.
anyways yeah. those're my thoughts. he appears broken in the video because all spotlights make the champs look OMG 2 GOOD but i think the range of his ult is going to be the main balancing issue. good laning phase just means he's like vlad, you have to really be felt in lane or pay for it later \o/
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Kind of a random question, but why are Janna's AP ratios complete garbage? I see shit like vlad and galio, the new hero screams annoying as hell, but what about Janna? She doesn't have a single skill that's 1:1.
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1:1 is rare. For example, Annie is like 0.6 0.7 0.8 or something.
You only see big AP ratios on one-shot spells (like Fiddle's ult, Soraka's ult), or heroes that don't have much else going for them with regards to spammability (Sion, theoretically Kayle), or on heroes that don't have many spells, period (Zilean).
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On August 24 2010 23:38 Khul Sadukar wrote:
Ugh low lvl EU.
We had a fiddle that just fed 18 deaths. Thought he could just life drain everyone and win. I was getting zoned cause of that and didnt have decent items till late game when i could finally kill ppl. They did an awesome job of running away at low health everytime.
Somehow it took them 52m to win. We had a decent anivia which backdoored lolol but it wasnt enough.
Also Galio is a fucking joke. That ult is rediculous!
Cleanse -> Silence. Though I fail at pulling it off quickly.
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Veigar is the best caster because DM is 1:1
Oh btw, MrtheZebra's AP Sion build is like, Sion, Mejai, (if 5+ stacks Lich Bane, if not Zhonya), the other from before -> whatever needed
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protip: when playing Garen vs. a Galio, when he gets close, hit Q and just run around like an idiot without attacking anyone. Then he taunts and you're like, "herp! silence!"
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On August 24 2010 23:55 Jazriel wrote:
Kind of a random question, but why are Janna's AP ratios complete garbage? I see shit like vlad and galio, the new hero screams annoying as hell, but what about Janna? She doesn't have a single skill that's 1:1.
Janna gets 20 stacks so easily as the goddess slut of assists
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On August 25 2010 00:03 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 23:55 Jazriel wrote:
Kind of a random question, but why are Janna's AP ratios complete garbage? I see shit like vlad and galio, the new hero screams annoying as hell, but what about Janna? She doesn't have a single skill that's 1:1. Janna gets 20 stacks so easily as the goddess slut of assists
Does she get assists from her Eye of the Storm? Sounds like it.
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On August 25 2010 00:03 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 23:55 Jazriel wrote:
Kind of a random question, but why are Janna's AP ratios complete garbage? I see shit like vlad and galio, the new hero screams annoying as hell, but what about Janna? She doesn't have a single skill that's 1:1. Janna gets 20 stacks so easily as the goddess slut of assists
Yep, and if she is focused much she can just build tanky with frozen heart / banshees (they even improve your damage abit if you get a archangels).
Also her saving power is riddicolous.
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On August 24 2010 23:55 Jazriel wrote:
Kind of a random question, but why are Janna's AP ratios complete garbage? I see shit like vlad and galio, the new hero screams annoying as hell, but what about Janna? She doesn't have a single skill that's 1:1.
O_O
Janna's ratios are fucking stupid good.
0.75 on an AoE insta-cast knockup
0.8 on a single target massive slow
0.9 on a shield that is also a free BF Sword
1.4 over 4 seconds on a massive AoE heal ult
I really have no idea why you think these are complete garbage. IMO, they're some of the best AP ratios in the game.
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On August 24 2010 23:56 jtbem wrote:
urgot 3150 ip only
Yesssss omg I'm buying and maining this guy until they patch him.
On August 24 2010 22:29 spinesheath wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2010 21:25 ghen wrote:On August 24 2010 21:14 spinesheath wrote:On August 24 2010 20:09 Scipaeus121212 wrote:
Hey guys, I was playing Cho a lot lately, mainly at 1v2 lane, but after playing against Vlad/Ez laning combo (and after seeing urgot champion spotlight >_>) I wonder: is Cho actually viable 1v2 laner? Vlad/Ez completely pushed me away from the creeps, I barely got experience from most of them and ended bluepilling/dying very often because of heavy harassement. Or is he actually viable and I just need to play better? I love 1v2 as Cho. But some combos give me nightmares. Particularly if they involve Garen or Singed. Maybe that's my own fault. But I would assume that every char has a few combos that he can't properly 1v2 against. Against a garen singed lane just focus singed and don't get in range. Or if Garen refuses to use his passive, focus him instead. You'll have more than enough health if singed dives with R+Q and garen being garen. Both garen and singed automatically push creeps so it'll be sitting under the tower the whole lane phase. Singed OR Garen, never had to deal with both of them at once so far. I have trouble focusing a singed who runs around like mad while staying out of range of his flip. It's not like I can rupture him consistently if he isn't retarded, and my autoattack brings me into range unless I can Vorpal him by attacking a creep which doesn't happen too often. If Singed is with some burst char he trolls into my tower, flips me into range of his ally and I inevitably eat a ton of damage. Not saying that it is impossible to deal with such lanes, but I certainly don't like it.
Nothing is impossible with cho :D <3
I treat vorpal as doing zero damage, I don't try to zone people with it at all. Now that I think about it, I use it like an always-on siphon strike: Added damage to last hit easier. I haven't had problems ruptures against singed. He's really easy to predict when he's poisoning because he won't run too far away from creeps. Its all about the skill shot really, if you can't hit it start practicing with Galio. Much easier SS to hit and a similar 1-2-3 punch late game like rupture/scream/feast.
Staying out of singed flip range is a skill you'll need for any champ, not just cho. I've seen some scary singed do crazy stuff with flip.
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why does everyone assume that every new champ is imba..?
sigh, I guess I should just look forward to cutting Urgots up with Garen, but it still pisses me off that every time there's a new champ, EVERYONE is like, "zomg, so imba, (s)he has abilities that do things, imbaimbaimba, maining until hotfix so imba, ult does something good, wtf was riot thinking, scrubs"
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Because its exciting and fun to hype yourself up? XD
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Because it makes them feel like they know anything about the game.
*zing*
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Heimer grenades no longer affect turrets. O.O;
OMG AND KENNEN BUFF! MANNER!
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yo, utah, have you had the torture of playing with "bait" before?
holy fuck, kid singlehandedly gave me a 3-game losing streak last night, I was so fucking pissed. no idea how he was hovering around 1600 with his complete lack of anything resembling game sense. just feed feed feed, all game, every game.
also had a super sweet game where COMEGETATASTE 2nd picked Olaf after I 1st picked Amumu with smite. then he refused to talk in chat, so I got pissed and set up for laning, then in game, as jungling olaf, opened vamp scepter and waited at base for a hp pot *facepalm*. I think he gave FB too, I was SOOOOO ANGRY. holy fuck, I would've kicked a hole in his chest through the internet if I could've.
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Oooo, good stuff. Last time I seriously played Janna those items didn't exist. I was wrong on the AP ratios, I thought they were less than a minimum of .75. Time to go play Janna some more.  Thanks for the tips.
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