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On August 24 2010 23:36 ManBearPig wrote:
So I've been playing some AP Sion, he's pretty fun and really strong during laning. So far I've been going something like RoA, merc treads (mostly), SS, Zhonya's, whatever (not necessarily in that order). Seems pretty straightforward. Feel like he would rly benefit from CDR, but besides blue elixir/golem I never get any. Don't feel like the DFG nuke is that good on him since you always initiate with a stun that will (hopefully) take a chunk out of their hp before u can use it?

Any tips, different item builds?

On August 25 2010 00:20 ghen wrote:


Yesssss omg I'm buying and maining this guy until they patch him.




Nothing is impossible with cho :D <3

I treat vorpal as doing zero damage, I don't try to zone people with it at all. Now that I think about it, I use it like an always-on siphon strike: Added damage to last hit easier. I haven't had problems ruptures against singed. He's really easy to predict when he's poisoning because he won't run too far away from creeps. Its all about the skill shot really, if you can't hit it start practicing with Galio. Much easier SS to hit and a similar 1-2-3 punch late game like rupture/scream/feast.

Staying out of singed flip range is a skill you'll need for any champ, not just cho. I've seen some scary singed do crazy stuff with flip.

On August 25 2010 00:59 Orpheos wrote:
as for new champs being OP, some of the recent ones have definitely been above the power curve. at least in comparison to malz/kog.

vlad is stupid annoying with zero CD nuke+heal and infinite zhonyas.
xin was pretty OP at least against mediocre players prenerf.
galio wouldve been much better in a different metagame but i think hes still good. idk i havent seen much of him.

after seeing the puny range on urdots ult, i dont think he is OP. although its kinda stupid how phreak was like here im gonna dive him at full health at lvl 6 right under the tower and live with 1/2 health left.

On August 25 2010 01:08 barbsq wrote:


ppl seem so upset with that dive, but he took 3 tower hits, that took him from 3/4ths hp to less than 1/4, also kennen was not full hp, he started about half and was like 2 hits away from dying when phreak dived him there, so i dont really see the problem, this seems like something several other heroes can easily do as well

On August 25 2010 00:45 Juicyfruit wrote:


My build for sion is to get crapload of mana regen from runes and

- Doran's ring
- Blasting wand
- Boots of mobility
- needlessly large rod
- abyssal scepter
- zhonya
- glacial shroud
- frozen heart

You just keep upping your AP constantly to make your shield a pain in the ass to break, and then tack on some magic resist and armor later to make the shield scaling even better.

Just level up nothing but your two nukes from level 1-10. Sion is ludicrously powerful during a good stretch of the game.

On August 25 2010 01:32 ManBearPig wrote:


I've actually never gotten boots of mobility on anyone I think. I'm assuming you get them because you're gonna be running around ganking a lot?
Also, I still put 1 point in the red axe thingy every game because it lets me farm HP all game long and its only 1 skillpoint, you don't feel like it's worth it?
I was also building RoA basically every game, which gives me a ton of hp and provides me with enough mana, but I did notice it holding back my AP for a bit too long. I'll try going straight for AP with ur build. Like u said it does make your shield harder to break which basically adds survivability, and the doran's ring + runes should provide me with enough mana.

In response to Mogwai's comments, I don't really understand all the love for Sheen on Sion? I can kind of dig the lichbane late game, but I feel he doesn't really get enough out of a sheen. I mean, most of the time you activate the shield, run out of a bush or whatever, stun them, hit them, pop it. So you just get one Sheen hit from the stun, and the sheen proc from activating the shield is kind of wasted? Or does it proc when you pop it?

On August 25 2010 01:04 spinesheath wrote:


I am pretty sure that rupture is slow enough to dodge it unless something forces you to move in a certain direction. At least I personally am usually able to dodge ruptures just by reaction.
Though I am often rupturing people who just walk into it for no reason, or stay right on top of it.

On August 25 2010 01:32 ManBearPig wrote:


I've actually never gotten boots of mobility on anyone I think. I'm assuming you get them because you're gonna be running around ganking a lot?
Also, I still put 1 point in the red axe thingy every game because it lets me farm HP all game long and its only 1 skillpoint, you don't feel like it's worth it?
I was also building RoA basically every game, which gives me a ton of hp and provides me with enough mana, but I did notice it holding back my AP for a bit too long. I'll try going straight for AP with ur build. Like u said it does make your shield harder to break which basically adds survivability, and the doran's ring + runes should provide me with enough mana.

In response to Mogwai's comments, I don't really understand all the love for Sheen on Sion? I can kind of dig the lichbane late game, but I feel he doesn't really get enough out of a sheen. I mean, most of the time you activate the shield, run out of a bush or whatever, stun them, hit them, pop it. So you just get one Sheen hit from the stun, and the sheen proc from activating the shield is kind of wasted? Or does it proc when you pop it?

On August 25 2010 01:04 spinesheath wrote:


I am pretty sure that rupture is slow enough to dodge it unless something forces you to move in a certain direction. At least I personally am usually able to dodge ruptures just by reaction.
Though I am often rupturing people who just walk into it for no reason, or stay right on top of it.

On August 25 2010 01:33 Southlight wrote:
The idea is that Lichbane gives you a third nuke... or a fourth if you also activate R at a good time.

On August 25 2010 01:40 Iplaythings wrote:
But what runes for Janna? So far i am just using MRpene / mp5 / CDR / health...

On August 25 2010 00:26 Mogwai wrote:
why does everyone assume that every new champ is imba..?

sigh, I guess I should just look forward to cutting Urgots up with Garen, but it still pisses me off that every time there's a new champ, EVERYONE is like, "zomg, so imba, (s)he has abilities that do things, imbaimbaimba, maining until hotfix so imba, ult does something good, wtf was riot thinking, scrubs"

On August 25 2010 02:03 Juicyfruit wrote:


But see, you wouldn't say sheen is particularly ideal on any other champ similar to sion. For instance, no one would build sheen first on, say, cho gath. I just don't see the point when he has two skills with a 1-1 (or in the shield's case, you could argue it's 1:2) ratio.

Sion scales better with increased resist and more armor/res imo, than lichbane.

I think as long as you have enough mana regen, you should skip sheen entirely. The best part about sheen is that it increases your mana pool while still giving you good AP and bonus damage, but it just slows down everything else so much that I hate it.

On August 25 2010 01:51 ghen wrote:


Rupture is very slow and easily avoidable. Just like viegar's comet. It's more about putting it somewhere they want to be really bad. Like right behind them as you charge out of the bushes. It only takes a few ruptures to start predicting your opponent's movements when you force aggression or passivity. Then it comes down to reading their movements and placing ruptures where they have no choice but take the hit due to their playstyle and instinctive movements. I find it much easier to predict good players than bad ones. Bad players seem to be crazier and less predictable changing (tactics?) constantly. Good players have their character down to a science and know what works in what position. This leads them to be in similar positions more often.

Most of the time it will come down to a simple decision between blocking their retreat or blocking their advance with your rupture. Exact placement stems from that, but the basic choice is what really matters.

Rarely if I'm ok with mana (usually doesn't happen or I'm just being stupid which definitely happens XD) I'll rupture where they would stand to last hit just to deny. These ruptures are almost always avoided because they're so visible.

Finally, learn the visual clues for rupture and how to hide it. Sending rupture from the bushes does wonders for hiding the giant foot stomp at the beginning, and hiding the rupture graphic underneath AOE spells or champions like Garen is also very useful. Siege creeps also mostly block the graphic. My last favorite is putting the rupture right on the edge of the brush from in front of the tower. It covers a huge area where champions congregate and can't be seen. If you're having trouble with your opponent being really good and dodging them all thinking about how to hide the clues in the lane might be useful.