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On June 20 2010 06:20 kdgns wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 05:50 Southlight wrote:
Backdooring is legal in dota too, and as far as I knew was completely fair game in tournaments. In LoL the devs pretty much bluntly said they welcomed it as a game mechanic, and so while there're some anti-BD measures (such as towers doing more damage with every successive shot) there're also some pro-BD measures (I think towers become easier to kill as the game goes on, etc.) BD is only allowed for the first 6 towers in dota competitive play, (so high ground towers and rax is off limits) this is because in dota there is high ground advantage so it is entirely possible to defend a high ground 5 man push with ~3 heroes (ES, faceless void, warlock fore example), and have the other backdoor your opponent, making BDing a broken strategy, for example, 5 man push bottom lane, opponent sends clinks to opponent's top lane, other 4 defend high ground, the 5 man can either A) try to push up high ground under a tower and risk a team ace, or Tp back to defend, but they'll come back one at a time, and during the tp time clinkz has already taken down half of the tower's hp, plus the 4 man defending can come down and interrupt any tps. in LoL, if you send one guy to BD, it becomes a 4v5, which is huge advantage for the 5 man, they'll end up killing the 4 people, downing the tower, and push way faster than you can bd the opponent. TLDR, BD is imba in dota, not so much in LoL uhh i don't think so? the lack or highground mechanics wouldn't matter that much since in LoL you end up fighting on the high ground anyways if you're going for a team ace at the inhib tower.
a master yi can take down a tower soooo fast and usually tower+4 is enough to defend against most comps. the way you counter that is figuring out when and where the BDer disappeared to and just warding up the jungle. i've had a recent game where our nexus turrets were down and they had a master yi but we were able to push out since there were literally like 30 wards (2 max stacks of wards per hero) out on the map. if master yi tried to BD, we caught him in his tracks.
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i've been playing alot of Kayle, the usual item build i go is: nashors tooth > guinsoo rageblade > deaths grasp, and running round with the attack speed boots. its works really well through out the whole game with strong attack damage and spell powers. but getting kinda bored of it, is it viable to stack attack damage items with crit to do better dmg while sacrificing ability powers?
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Is there a TL chat room in LoL? I always troll this thread, but I've never played or talked to any of you guys!
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On June 20 2010 06:26 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 06:20 kdgns wrote:On June 20 2010 05:50 Southlight wrote:
Backdooring is legal in dota too, and as far as I knew was completely fair game in tournaments. In LoL the devs pretty much bluntly said they welcomed it as a game mechanic, and so while there're some anti-BD measures (such as towers doing more damage with every successive shot) there're also some pro-BD measures (I think towers become easier to kill as the game goes on, etc.) BD is only allowed for the first 6 towers in dota competitive play, (so high ground towers and rax is off limits) this is because in dota there is high ground advantage so it is entirely possible to defend a high ground 5 man push with ~3 heroes (ES, faceless void, warlock fore example), and have the other backdoor your opponent, making BDing a broken strategy, for example, 5 man push bottom lane, opponent sends clinks to opponent's top lane, other 4 defend high ground, the 5 man can either A) try to push up high ground under a tower and risk a team ace, or Tp back to defend, but they'll come back one at a time, and during the tp time clinkz has already taken down half of the tower's hp, plus the 4 man defending can come down and interrupt any tps. in LoL, if you send one guy to BD, it becomes a 4v5, which is huge advantage for the 5 man, they'll end up killing the 4 people, downing the tower, and push way faster than you can bd the opponent. TLDR, BD is imba in dota, not so much in LoL uhh i don't think so? the lack or highground mechanics wouldn't matter that much since in LoL you end up fighting on the high ground anyways if you're going for a team ace at the inhib tower. a master yi can take down a tower soooo fast and usually tower+4 is enough to defend against most comps. the way you counter that is figuring out when and where the BDer disappeared to and just warding up the jungle. i've had a recent game where our nexus turrets were down and they had a master yi but we were able to push out since there were literally like 30 wards (2 max stacks of wards per hero) out on the map. if master yi tried to BD, we caught him in his tracks.
lack of high ground/defenders advantage is why being aggressive is one of the best ways to counter BD, tower damage is minimal in late game when BD is an issue, so simply powering over the opponent and going straight to the nexus is a great form of using offense as defense, its like going for a base trade with 5 people vs 1 person.
warding and trying to stop a bd is one way to do it, but that means stopping your push and even if wards work for yi BD, how would you ward against stuff like TF bding or shaco
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On June 20 2010 06:54 MrBitter wrote:
Is there a TL chat room in LoL? I always troll this thread, but I've never played or talked to any of you guys!
It's right in the original post.
Where is everyone?
Join LiquidParty!
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best game ever
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On June 20 2010 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
Yes, he is bugged, but if I hear one more motherfucker tell me that I'm playing the brokest character in the game cause I do more than 3 x as much damage as I should, I think I'm going to fucking explode. Can you imagine how fucking terrible the character design on a pantheon that only tickles with Heartseeker would be? [/rage]
You main a broken character that deals far more burst damage then the game designers intended, get over it.
I know it has existed for a long tine, but I think it deserves a hotfix asap, even if doing so makes him worse than eve. They can worry about buffing him in the next patch. Seriously, there are a TON of pantheons out there right now that intentionally abuse the hell out of this bug and every time I get hit by a HSS I imagine the giant shit-eating grin on their face. Fuck, it makes me mad. >_<
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Ok im gonna try kayle now, tired with soraka
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On June 20 2010 07:35 emucxg wrote:
Ok im gonna try kayle now, tired with soraka
If you want to wreck everybody, focus Reckoning and Righteous Fury 
Once I get my sheen, I just start destroying people. Like a Jax I was laning against, I just reckoning + one swipe of righteous fury'd and it took him from about 80% to about 40%. It's so ridiculous.
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I just started playing today, and I must say that LoL is really fun. The people in LiquidParty are really helpful.
Is it a good idea to do practice games til lvl 30, and then do normal games, or go normal games asap?
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On June 20 2010 06:54 MrBitter wrote:
Is there a TL chat room in LoL? I always troll this thread, but I've never played or talked to any of you guys!
omg mrbitter
lets play lol together, it will be like old times
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On June 20 2010 07:28 radmax86 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2010 04:20 Mogwai wrote:
Yes, he is bugged, but if I hear one more motherfucker tell me that I'm playing the brokest character in the game cause I do more than 3 x as much damage as I should, I think I'm going to fucking explode. Can you imagine how fucking terrible the character design on a pantheon that only tickles with Heartseeker would be? [/rage] You main a broken character that deals far more burst damage then the game designers intended, get over it. I know it has existed for a long tine, but I think it deserves a hotfix asap, even if doing so makes him worse than eve. They can worry about buffing him in the next patch. Seriously, there are a TON of pantheons out there right now that intentionally abuse the hell out of this bug and every time I get hit by a HSS I imagine the giant shit-eating grin on their face. Fuck, it makes me mad. >_<
QQ moar, hes bugged and does more damage than hes supposed to, but you need to get over yourself too. panths bugged damage isnt OP when ive seen him in games(and no i dont play him, just an outside observation)
Smash's comment was correct, it isnt 3x damage like people keep QQing about, and a lot of times people are QQing at level 3 when he doesnt have damage items yet and the bug isnt even in effect.
people can complain all they want about him but they need to get their facts straight when they do
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Someone make a freaking guide for Annie damn it! I started using her lately but there aren't any good guides out.
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get over myself about what?
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On June 20 2010 07:35 emucxg wrote:
Ok im gonna try kayle now, tired with soraka get GRB
rape towers
win games
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On June 20 2010 07:24 StuffedTurkey wrote:best game ever
wtf is baikin anal?
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On June 20 2010 08:09 GreEny K wrote:
Someone make a freaking guide for Annie damn it! I started using her lately but there aren't any good guides out.
Try WRA's AD annie.
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On June 20 2010 08:09 GreEny K wrote:
Someone make a freaking guide for Annie damn it! I started using her lately but there aren't any good guides out.
I posted a short strategy for Annie few pages back when GTR asked for Annie tips. Try finding it 
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Somebody needs to make an updated guide for Corki. All the ones I've found on the internet seem really outdated, and I'm really not sure what items to get. Corki has a lot of cool abillities, and I'm not sure i want to build him completely DPS like I do Tristana.
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On June 20 2010 08:40 Athos wrote:
Somebody needs to make an updated guide for Corki. All the ones I've found on the internet seem really outdated, and I'm really not sure what items to get. Corki has a lot of cool abillities, and I'm not sure i want to build him completely DPS like I do Tristana. i don't think anybody really knows how to build a truly good corki lol.
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