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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On June 20 2010 00:19 Khenra wrote: used to be that you could pull it to your traps. now i think you gotta place them directly where the creeps spawn. it's definitely still possible though.So can anyone inform me on the correct box placement for a lvl 1 Shaco taking Golem/Lizard? I can't figure it out for the life of me.. | ||
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ArC_man
United States2798 Posts
On June 20 2010 00:19 Khenra wrote: So can anyone inform me on the correct box placement for a lvl 1 Shaco taking Golem/Lizard? I can't figure it out for the life of me.. Put it basically a little behind where the golem/lizard will spawn and it will target the golem/lizard. You just can't hide your boxes in the bushes anymore and expect them to target the golem/lizard. http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=133042 | ||
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Fruscainte
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 20 2010 02:44 Fruscainte wrote: Anyone that can tell me a good mastery build for jungling Nunu? 9/0/21 is typically the standard jungling mastery setup. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
On June 20 2010 00:19 Khenra wrote: So can anyone inform me on the correct box placement for a lvl 1 Shaco taking Golem/Lizard? I can't figure it out for the life of me.. + Show Spoiler + i like this vid for liz :O this guide seems pretty good i like the bit on counter jungling | ||
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Khenra
Netherlands885 Posts
On June 20 2010 02:27 ArC_man wrote: Put it basically a little behind where the golem/lizard will spawn and it will target the golem/lizard. You just can't hide your boxes in the bushes anymore and expect them to target the golem/lizard. http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=133042 That's very helpful, thanks! | ||
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
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Fruscainte
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
Pantheon does not do 3x as much damage as he should with heartseeker. The 100% vs. 30% is applied: a) only on bonus damage and b) after the doubling effect on champions In other words, vs. champions, you do 100% bonus damage vs. 60% bonus damage due to the bug. Base damage is unaffected. In other words, a pantheon with 300 damage is likely 100 base + 200 from items/masteries/runes. He will do: 100 * 30% = 30 + 18 = 48 * 2 = 96 + 200 = 296 damage/hit to chamions He should be doing: 300 * 30% = 90 + 18 = 108 * 2 = 216 damage/hit to champions 296/216 = 37% extra damage. Yes, he is bugged, but if I hear one more motherfucker tell me that I'm playing the brokest character in the game cause I do more than 3 x as much damage as I should, I think I'm going to fucking explode. Can you imagine how fucking terrible the character design on a pantheon that only tickles with Heartseeker would be? [/rage] | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
no. unless your doing a gimmick first blood build explosive shot > Rapid shot > rocket jump usually put my point in rocket jump at lvl 4 (explosive, rapid, explosive, rocket) | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On June 19 2010 21:21 Malderon wrote: What does NLR stand for? I couldn't find anything in LoL's item database that matches this. Also, would the build in this guide be good for an AP Yi? Just so I know whether it's a good starting point or not. Needlessly Large Rod, like Uta said. I actually disagree with that guide. Personally, I try to get a 2v1 lane (you have a jungler, right?) and with my mp5/lv seals and glyphs and a doran's ring + hp pot (for the early heal) you have just enough to Alpha Strike every wave and Meditate every other. Level R>Q>E>W after you go QWQWQR. You only really need two points in Meditate early and you're not going to be pushing or trying to kill champs early anyway, so E is useless before you get Highlander. The core AP Yi build is Doran's ring + Hp pot, Zhonya's>Void Staff>Lich Bane, but I like to go a hybrid build with Doran's + pot > Zhonya's+boots1 > Rageblade > Last Whisper > Upgrade Boots + Lich Bane. For a while I was getting a lifesteal item, but now I'm convinced that Lich Bane is the stronger option, especially with ghost/cleanse/highlander/zhonya into meditate for survivability. Just farm super hard with Alpha and get your NLR + boots on first trip, then work on the rest of your items in order. The build WRECKS on anything but the tryhardiest of tryhards at my ELO, which isn't bad. You get your Rageblade/Last Whisper right about the time when teamfights start breaking out, so you have the choice of going in to fight or having your team delay while you take a tower and get out with ghost/cleanse/highlander. With two points in meditate you can't exactly tank, but you can still recover over half your HP in less than 5 seconds, which is usually enough for me. Late game just get into a fight and wait for someone to drop within alpha range before highlander+alpha into highlander again + alpha again until you run out of mana, kill everyone, or die. The nice thing about hybrid yi is that even though he doesn't have TOO much damage, he's still doing a consistently dangerous amount with his hits + he can backdoor towers super fast. Make sure you proc lich bane right :D. | ||
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seppolevne
Canada1681 Posts
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:16 seppolevne wrote: don't see what the big deal is. it's easily preventable with good warding and map awareness. only exception would be a TF but that's your fault for getting in that position in the first place.Is backdooring ok in LoL? Cause it Dota you get flamed and it's considered BM and lame as hell, at least in pubs. Someone did it in one of my games and I seemed to be the only one who took offense. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:16 seppolevne wrote: Is backdooring ok in LoL? Cause it Dota you get flamed and it's considered BM and lame as hell, at least in pubs. Someone did it in one of my games and I seemed to be the only one who took offense. How dare you recall into my base, you're supposed to move out into my spidermines and seiged tanks. You can't hide your expansions, you must build them in a linear progression. You can't throw the football over peoples heads, you have to run it. The object of the game is to destroy the last inhibitor. You don't have to have a hero advantage to go blow up towers. If they are across the map and lack positioning or map awareness, and that's all the advantage you should need. | ||
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Yuljan
2196 Posts
On June 20 2010 04:20 Mogwai wrote: Since no one can seem to get it through their heads... Pantheon does not do 3x as much damage as he should with heartseeker. The 100% vs. 30% is applied: a) only on bonus damage and b) after the doubling effect on champions In other words, vs. champions, you do 100% bonus damage vs. 60% bonus damage due to the bug. Base damage is unaffected. In other words, a pantheon with 300 damage is likely 100 base + 200 from items/masteries/runes. He will do: 100 * 30% = 30 + 18 = 48 * 2 = 96 + 200 = 296 damage/hit to chamions He should be doing: 300 * 30% = 90 + 18 = 108 * 2 = 216 damage/hit to champions 296/216 = 37% extra damage. Yes, he is bugged, but if I hear one more motherfucker tell me that I'm playing the brokest character in the game cause I do more than 3 x as much damage as I should, I think I'm going to fucking explode. Can you imagine how fucking terrible the character design on a pantheon that only tickles with Heartseeker would be? [/rage] i know your pain. Started to play panthe alot. Best whiners are those i kill at lvl 3 without any dmg items. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
On June 20 2010 05:50 Southlight wrote: Backdooring is legal in dota too, and as far as I knew was completely fair game in tournaments. In LoL the devs pretty much bluntly said they welcomed it as a game mechanic, and so while there're some anti-BD measures (such as towers doing more damage with every successive shot) there're also some pro-BD measures (I think towers become easier to kill as the game goes on, etc.) BD is only allowed for the first 6 towers in dota competitive play, (so high ground towers and rax is off limits) this is because in dota there is high ground advantage so it is entirely possible to defend a high ground 5 man push with ~3 heroes (ES, faceless void, warlock fore example), and have the other backdoor your opponent, making BDing a broken strategy, for example, 5 man push bottom lane, opponent sends clinks to opponent's top lane, other 4 defend high ground, the 5 man can either A) try to push up high ground under a tower and risk a team ace, or Tp back to defend, but they'll come back one at a time, and during the tp time clinkz has already taken down half of the tower's hp, plus the 4 man defending can come down and interrupt any tps. in LoL, if you send one guy to BD, it becomes a 4v5, which is huge advantage for the 5 man, they'll end up killing the 4 people, downing the tower, and push way faster than you can bd the opponent. TLDR, BD is imba in dota, not so much in LoL | ||
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