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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
August 11 2010 19:56 GMT
#11601
Brutalizer first seems like the best way to go on Garen IMO

Actually after Southlight's math comparing sunfire to two HoG's, I'm not sure Sunfire is worth it on anyone besides Shen.
it's my first day
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
August 11 2010 19:57 GMT
#11602
--- Nuked ---
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 11 2010 19:57 GMT
#11603
when I think about it thought, it's like, I could get all the pieces for GA for just 63 more gold than a brutalizer. That is a lot of EHP. CDR is nice I guess, but is 10% CDR really worth that much survivability? How much do you actually feel the damage increase on judgment? I've started getting IE towards the end of games with him and I can feel an IE, but I have a hard time imagining how much you could feel a brutalizer.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:01:39
August 11 2010 19:57 GMT
#11604
lol mogwai did you play everything competitively? i wanted to get back into mtg after quitting in kamigawa block(what a horrendous set). but i dont really know anyone who i can play alot with and those mythics are so damn retarded. thought i might just do limited but even then its a huge money sink. eh i love the game, but its just not worth it.

as far as the rules, some stuff definitely gets tricky. although i love the concept of the stack. when i first learned that i thought it was the coolest thing ever. still do.

*edit oh and i heard about them changing damage stacking rules. wtf is that. what prompted them to do that? no more 3/3 aquamoebas?

as for garen, i definitely like to rush the sunfire. the GB lets you be alot more ballsy in the midgame. i think its worth it over the bruta. remember once your ult is off CD, cdr becomes a wasted stat. and you shouldnt be relying on your ult for every kill anyways.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:00:57
August 11 2010 19:59 GMT
#11605
I was toying with Garen a little last week, this is just low level normal games, but I've found that the brutalizer was helping me to be more threatening than a sunfire would early on assuming I am keeping level parity or superiority. If I am somehow behind though, I do prefer the fact that Sunfire just allows me to run at their faces for longer.

On August 12 2010 04:57 Orpheos wrote:
lol mogwai did you play everything competitively? i wanted to get back into mtg after quitting in kamigawa block(what a horrendous set). but i dont really know anyone who i can play alot with and those mythics are so damn retarded. thought i might just do limited but even then its a huge money sink. eh i love the game, but its just not worth it.

as far as the rules, some stuff definitely gets tricky. although i love the concept of the stack. when i first learned that i thought it was the coolest thing ever. still do.

*edit oh and i heard about them changing damage stacking rules. wtf is that. what prompted them to do that? no more 3/3 aquamoebas?

Even better, morphlings are useless now.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:07:47
August 11 2010 20:04 GMT
#11606
On August 12 2010 04:56 myopia wrote:
Brutalizer first seems like the best way to go on Garen IMO

Actually after Southlight's math comparing sunfire to two HoG's, I'm not sure Sunfire is worth it on anyone besides Shen.

After my math of raping anything with a 10min sunfire on Garen, yes it is.

So many people underestimate the damage.

On August 12 2010 04:49 Phrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 04:29 Mogwai wrote:
On August 12 2010 04:05 Phrost wrote:
11 loses and counting, had an ashe that build philisophers stone, chalice of the void, boots of swiftness in that order

you mean chalice of harmony

chalice of the void is a magic card with cost XX that stopped people from playing cards with converted mana cost = X, which was a big shutdown card in the really broken old formats with turn 1 kills and crap.



Whatever, i call it chalice of the void.

12 loses and counting.. solo mid akali went 1-11-3 and was lower level than side lanes.

1550 to 1375 in 12 games, nice.

Why does every ladder system hate me?

Really feels like you have some serious problems carrying, which champions do you play as? I'd suggest you to try something along the lines of Ezreal, Garen, or Nasus. If you fall any lower, it's going to be incredibly difficult to get back up without duo queueing or a champion like that.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 11 2010 20:08 GMT
#11607
On August 12 2010 04:57 Orpheos wrote:
lol mogwai did you play everything competitively? i wanted to get back into mtg after quitting in kamigawa block(what a horrendous set). but i dont really know anyone who i can play alot with and those mythics are so damn retarded. thought i might just do limited but even then its a huge money sink. eh i love the game, but its just not worth it.

as far as the rules, some stuff definitely gets tricky. although i love the concept of the stack. when i first learned that i thought it was the coolest thing ever. still do.

*edit oh and i heard about them changing damage stacking rules. wtf is that. what prompted them to do that? no more 3/3 aquamoebas?

Pretty much just MTG, Melee and LoL, lol.

Limited was the only format I really cared about, but I need to be able to outplay my opponent and win. With indestructible cards that make me sacrifice absurd numbers of permanents when they attack, I'm not sure I'm feeling that. With bounce and pump getting futtbucked and removal getting buffed with the damage stacking changes, I just don't want a piece of that game anymore, they dumbed it down too much. They removed combat damage stacking to make the game more accessible to new players, but it really just killed the game for me.


I feel plenty threatening without a brutalizer, I still don't really get why I should slow my path to immortality down to hit slightly harder.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:10:55
August 11 2010 20:08 GMT
#11608
I mean, making galio a tank serves no real purpose because he's pretty much stand in the back row spamming 2 high-damage AoE nukes (that scale well btw). His ulti is nice for messing people up once a fight has started but you really shouldn't initiate with it.

Plus making him a tank means him having to use his shield on himself, which is a huuuuuge waste when he can be using it on a speed boosted melee carry like olaf.

Maybe rush zhonya on him or something so he has an out after he's finished channeling his ulti and is standing in the middle of 5 people. He does get a free 45AP from his passive when he's by himself so zhonyas is of good value.

His ulti scales really REALLY well with AP i think.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:11:49
August 11 2010 20:11 GMT
#11609
but Galio needs some form of physical tankage if he's playing against any DPSers, otherwise his ult is suicide
it's my first day
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:18:29
August 11 2010 20:12 GMT
#11610
My new optimized Galio build is FoN, Thornmail, and 4 Warmogs.

EDIT: I need to start playing as Sion and just farm nonstop with a reju pendant and then get like 4 warmogs and FoN. Then I'll have like 12000 hp and heal 200 hp per second. Perfect plan.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
August 11 2010 20:25 GMT
#11611
lol Galio is a dumb concept. Like anyone really needs an "anti-caster". Just grab banshees, blam all nukers/casters start tickling. zzz
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
August 11 2010 20:26 GMT
#11612
I never said SFC wasn't worth it, but I said you should think long and hard about how useful the damage is on your hero before you plunk the extra 500 on the immolate. Garen needs the damage, as does Amumu, but on, for instance, Rammus, it's like really?
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 11 2010 20:31 GMT
#11613
On August 12 2010 05:25 HeavOnEarth wrote:
lol Galio is a dumb concept. Like anyone really needs an "anti-caster". Just grab banshees, blam all nukers/casters start tickling. zzz

Or Veigar, but it seems like everyone forgot he's even a champion.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
STS17
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1817 Posts
August 11 2010 20:40 GMT
#11614
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=205208
Platinum Level Terran - Take my advice from that perspective
Athos
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2484 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:45:48
August 11 2010 20:43 GMT
#11615
Let's start talking about Gragas. AP gragas is the most fun character in the world for me right now. I went 22-4-15 last game, yet almost lost because my team was terrible. Regardless, I would like to discuss his viability and how he should be played. The thing I love most about him has to be his ultimate which is great at initiating. To me he feels like blitzcrank but with more damage output/potential. I've been loving AP because nothing beats barrels hitting for 900 damage. Does anybody know a specific build for him though? I've just been rushing rod of ages followed by soulstealer and rushing to 20 stacks. Also, I would like to learn the AD/Jungle/tank builds as well for when I can't get a solo lane. For runes, I've been using mpen marks with magic regen/5 seals and glyphs and health quints. I'm thinking about replacing the mana regen with cooldown/5 because when you have 20 stacks and bluebuff, you can spam barrel every 4 seconds, and It sucks to not have both those things. Also, while it's really fun, I want to know how viable AP is at the higher ratings. I would think people there would be smart enough to actually build banshee's against you and shut you down.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-11 20:49:28
August 11 2010 20:46 GMT
#11616
Pro gragas tip: Roll a barrel, ulti them into it

Another tip: During lane, use barrels for zoning. Placing one properly and then not detonating it, you keep your opponents off creeps for many seconds.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
August 11 2010 20:49 GMT
#11617
I haven't seen an AP gragas do well in forever. HSGG went AP gragas in a game vs. Turkey and I and while he was poking like a champ late game, it just wasn't all that scary when the MR kicked into our builds. *shrugs*

No idea about builds though, Grag is one of the few characters I haven't even played once.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 11 2010 20:53 GMT
#11618
On August 12 2010 05:40 STS17 wrote:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=205208

Awful, I'd thumbs-down if I wasn't too lazy to log in.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 11 2010 20:54 GMT
#11619
So ends my 12 lose streak with a sunfire cape eve game
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 11 2010 20:55 GMT
#11620
On August 12 2010 05:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2010 05:40 STS17 wrote:
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=205208

Awful, I'd thumbs-down if I wasn't too lazy to log in.


I downvoted and thumbs down'd
iamphrost.tumblr.com // http://howtobebettermagicplayer.tumblr.com // twitter @phrost_
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