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Phrost
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States4008 Posts
August 08 2010 05:54 GMT
#10841
I feel like Shen's early game advantage is completely useless now that they've repeatedly nerfed the early game stomp champs (pantheon, ezreal to some extent, shaco is always banned, etc)

Rammus and Amumu are the best tanks right now, rammus because he has the most reliably cc and the most reliable slow. Alistar and Taric are a close 3rd imho
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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
August 08 2010 06:54 GMT
#10842
ya it said you were online so i know i got the right name, you have spectre as your portrait.
Brees on in
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 08:00:02
August 08 2010 07:51 GMT
#10843
On August 08 2010 14:05 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 13:42 TieN.nS) wrote:
Hehe, weird to see SNK-Arcbound post here. It was pretty "wtf" to me when I saw you take smite on Fiddlesticks when I locked in early with Amumu w/ smite and you ignored me when I suggested you lane. That game got off to a pretty rough start but glad we pulled the win out. :p

You had ignite on amumu, so I sat for about 15-20 seconds. After I locked in, I saw your ignite changed to smite, I was thinking "fuckkkkkk". Having played jungle fiddle and amumu, fiddle can jungle better because he doesn't need to ever B. I'll even go so far as to say jungle fiddle can jungle faster than any other champion. And I believe they had no jungler, so I was planning on just splitting the jungle 1o'clock 7o'clock.

Laning fiddle is just bad, like a laning warwick or udyr.


Hm yeah, I think I played Ezreal the game before or something. I just didn't notice you had smite until the pregame loading screen. I haven't played much Fiddle but I thought he was a pretty strong laner and BraveGhost pretty much summed up my thoughts on Amumu laning and everything.
Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
August 08 2010 08:22 GMT
#10844
Out of the new heroes since I've been gone, which are the most viable? These being Kogmaw, Malzahar, Olaf, Vladmir, and Xin Zhao. I was thinking of picking up Kogmaw xD...
BeSt[WHITE] Have a great retirement | "SKT is best KT." - Vortok | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7190/ep24hitcombo2small.gif
barbsq
Profile Joined November 2009
United States5348 Posts
August 08 2010 08:33 GMT
#10845
On August 08 2010 17:22 Shinshady wrote:
Out of the new heroes since I've been gone, which are the most viable? These being Kogmaw, Malzahar, Olaf, Vladmir, and Xin Zhao. I was thinking of picking up Kogmaw xD...


xin is the strongest of this bunch, malz sux prty hard easily worst caster period, arguably worst hero. olaf is a decent jungler. kog has nice pokey pokey stuff, but kinda hard to pick up and play imo since he very skillshotty + is squishy and has no built in escapes. Vlad is pretty well rounded imo, a tanky caster, his ult is pretty ballin but thats the only really special thing about him. Xin is a great tank-melee dps, since he does quite a bit of dmg with 0 dmg items and has a very useful aoe slow and single target knockup.

if ur gonna pick up kogmaw, experiment alot with both ad and ap builds, both play quite differently and are both strong in their own ways and i suppose decide what fits better with how you play.
Look at this guy, constantly diluting himself! (╮°-°)╮┳━┳ ( ╯°□°)╯ ┻━┻
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 08:41:21
August 08 2010 08:39 GMT
#10846
On August 08 2010 14:05 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 13:42 TieN.nS) wrote:
Hehe, weird to see SNK-Arcbound post here. It was pretty "wtf" to me when I saw you take smite on Fiddlesticks when I locked in early with Amumu w/ smite and you ignored me when I suggested you lane. That game got off to a pretty rough start but glad we pulled the win out. :p

You had ignite on amumu, so I sat for about 15-20 seconds. After I locked in, I saw your ignite changed to smite, I was thinking "fuckkkkkk". Having played jungle fiddle and amumu, fiddle can jungle better because he doesn't need to ever B. I'll even go so far as to say jungle fiddle can jungle faster than any other champion. And I believe they had no jungler, so I was planning on just splitting the jungle 1o'clock 7o'clock.

Laning fiddle is just bad, like a laning warwick or udyr.
Laning Fiddle is incredibly strong, can even 1v2 effortlessly and he should be able to take every mid as well, as well as every sidelane. I'm not sure where you got that from? Soloing 1v2 is like awesome on Fiddle, then when you hit 6 you can just go to the brush and force them out of exp range. If they come in, bam ulti.

On August 08 2010 14:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
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On August 08 2010 14:11 BraveGhost wrote:
hate to jump in but if I had fiddle + mummy on my team i would want the mummy to jungle, I am so poor and under leveled when I lane with mummy, I feel absolutely 100% useless. I pretty much won't take a tank(rammus/amummu) in solo que unless Im jungling which is kind of sad but that's how I feel, I will play taric on the off chance he's not banned and lane with him, cause it's a free win in that lane

The thing fiddle has is that nice fear and the early dragon, but amummu should just ask u to help at dragon at that point.

Fiddle has lane staying power with drain, and a nice farming skill in E, and can solo or duo lane fine. I prefer him to have a solo lane if he's laning though.

Anything that jungles will be richer than a laner. Amumu can also solo dragon early. I'm not saying he didn't get screwed somewhat, I'm just saying fiddle levels faster, and can gank way easier.

Since Amumu was jungling, this really is complete and utter nonsense.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
RoieTRS
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States2569 Posts
August 08 2010 09:03 GMT
#10847
If the role of a "tank" is to keep his teamates alive, Taric is the only good tank. None of the other "tanks" perform that role well, or even at all. They just have a bunch of hp. Especially because of the existence of clense.
konadora, in Racenilatr's blog: "you need to stop thinking about starcraft or anything computer-related for that matter. It's becoming a bad addiction imo"
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 08 2010 09:07 GMT
#10848
Garen keeps his allies alive by spinning on top of the enemies dealing 75% everyones hp in one spin and then kills them all.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 09:14:29
August 08 2010 09:13 GMT
#10849
On August 08 2010 17:39 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 14:05 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On August 08 2010 13:42 TieN.nS) wrote:
Hehe, weird to see SNK-Arcbound post here. It was pretty "wtf" to me when I saw you take smite on Fiddlesticks when I locked in early with Amumu w/ smite and you ignored me when I suggested you lane. That game got off to a pretty rough start but glad we pulled the win out. :p

You had ignite on amumu, so I sat for about 15-20 seconds. After I locked in, I saw your ignite changed to smite, I was thinking "fuckkkkkk". Having played jungle fiddle and amumu, fiddle can jungle better because he doesn't need to ever B. I'll even go so far as to say jungle fiddle can jungle faster than any other champion. And I believe they had no jungler, so I was planning on just splitting the jungle 1o'clock 7o'clock.

Laning fiddle is just bad, like a laning warwick or udyr.
Laning Fiddle is incredibly strong, can even 1v2 effortlessly and he should be able to take every mid as well, as well as every sidelane. I'm not sure where you got that from? Soloing 1v2 is like awesome on Fiddle, then when you hit 6 you can just go to the brush and force them out of exp range. If they come in, bam ulti.


Buy a ward, now you don't have to worry. Fiddle can't put any pressure unless he has his ult, and without blue you can't spam your abilities. Last hitting with fiddles 46+2 damage is near impossible, so you can either uses your mana killing or hitting the other team.
On August 08 2010 17:39 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 14:15 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On August 08 2010 14:11 BraveGhost wrote:
hate to jump in but if I had fiddle + mummy on my team i would want the mummy to jungle, I am so poor and under leveled when I lane with mummy, I feel absolutely 100% useless. I pretty much won't take a tank(rammus/amummu) in solo que unless Im jungling which is kind of sad but that's how I feel, I will play taric on the off chance he's not banned and lane with him, cause it's a free win in that lane

The thing fiddle has is that nice fear and the early dragon, but amummu should just ask u to help at dragon at that point.

Fiddle has lane staying power with drain, and a nice farming skill in E, and can solo or duo lane fine. I prefer him to have a solo lane if he's laning though.

Anything that jungles will be richer than a laner. Amumu can also solo dragon early. I'm not saying he didn't get screwed somewhat, I'm just saying fiddle levels faster, and can gank way easier.

Since Amumu was jungling, this really is complete and utter nonsense.


I locked in my choice of jungle fiddle before he locked in jungle amumu.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 09:26:22
August 08 2010 09:24 GMT
#10850
Oh I mean, if you indeed do get to 1v2 you have no problems with either farm or levels. -_-

EDIT: And the fact that amumu is an awful laner and hence needs to jungle
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
August 08 2010 10:27 GMT
#10851
On August 08 2010 18:03 RoieTRS wrote:
If the role of a "tank" is to keep his teamates alive, Taric is the only good tank. None of the other "tanks" perform that role well, or even at all. They just have a bunch of hp. Especially because of the existence of clense.


Alistar and Shen are both "tanks" to varying extents as well, then, and I think Shen does a better job of it in the early game. Late game though, playing as Taric makes me feel like I have a taunt aura with how much of a threat people perceive me as.

Unrelated note: Just played a game with Ryedan which featured our Shaco getting 17 stacks of Sword of the Occult at 20 minutes and 2-shotting a Veigar. I guess that's why he gets banned!
tree.hugger: Coming off of [(T)fantasy v. (T)Really] into [(T)Barracks v. (T)MVP] is like coming out of Manhattan into New Jersey. You just have to speed up and ignore it.
ShloobeR
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Korea (South)3820 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 11:01:46
August 08 2010 11:01 GMT
#10852
On August 08 2010 18:03 RoieTRS wrote:
If the role of a "tank" is to keep his teamates alive, Taric is the only good tank. None of the other "tanks" perform that role well, or even at all. They just have a bunch of hp. Especially because of the existence of clense.


I'm sorry what?
Keeping someone alive is not restricted to simply healing them
Shen can be a lifesaver with his taunt, Alistar is designed to keep their DPS away from your Squishies, Rammus will rammus you.

Edit: This is not to say Taric is not a fantastic tank
: o )
ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
August 08 2010 11:15 GMT
#10853
Well even though alistar or rammus might be a better tank, If someone sucks with them and is godly with shen I'd much rather have that. Skill of the player determines a LOT. I'd suggest everyone stop saying "x sucks, you should play y only because he's the best (x+y)"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 08 2010 11:31 GMT
#10854
Taric Rammus Amumu all top tier tanks.

You can't say that "nobody but taric is a tank", that's just retarded.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 08 2010 11:35 GMT
#10855
Shen I'd still consider better than both Rammus and Alistar. He might not be as good as an actual tank tank, but as a damage-dealing tank and a ganker I think he's overall a better champion, not to mention his ability to countergank and save people.

It's kind of silly to argue like that, you could say that Rammus is a better tank than Annie, which still doesn't mean he's a better champion overall, etc.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 12:23:33
August 08 2010 12:21 GMT
#10856
Any more of the TL people get on a team for the WCG qualifiers? What's the team name and region you're in?

I saw the Termination 4 team on the page before, but curious wondering if anyone else made it to a team.
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
August 08 2010 12:58 GMT
#10857
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 08 2010 13:03 GMT
#10858
On August 08 2010 20:35 Shikyo wrote:
Shen I'd still consider better than both Rammus and Alistar. He might not be as good as an actual tank tank, but as a damage-dealing tank and a ganker I think he's overall a better champion, not to mention his ability to countergank and save people.

It's kind of silly to argue like that, you could say that Rammus is a better tank than Annie, which still doesn't mean he's a better champion overall, etc.

Idk shen is kinda mediocre whereas rammus wins games past 40 minutes.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 13:16:00
August 08 2010 13:13 GMT
#10859
I hate the way LoL players use tank. 90% of what are considered tanks have absolutely no ability to force damage upon themselves or take damage off of their teammates. One of my many gripes about the community.

Champions get the label tank because LoL has more bad players than any game on earth. Poor targetting and awful positioning.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 08 2010 13:19 GMT
#10860
Okay so can you name the 90% of what are considered tanks that have no way to force damage upon themselves and the 10% that do?
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