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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 07 2010 18:46 Gao Xi wrote: Well I usually get Ghost/Ignite for warwick. And I start off with cloth armor + 3 HP pots, and i can jungle until 700g and then i bp for madreds razor. After I get the razor I get both buffs then solo drag (Im about lvl 4 Now） However I get Q skill first instead of W, so does it matter which skill i get first? And I heard even pros get smite with warwick, and i would like to know why, because from what i understand, I'm supposed to start ganking at lvl 6 and if im not ganking i continue jungling till then. I have like a 2:1 win ratio with warwick and the reason I take smite is because it makes jungling go faster, easier, and safer. It's one of the few spells in the game that you will use 100% of the time that it's up. Ignite blows on warwick, if they're low enough to where ignite could kill them your blood scent should kick in anyway. Take smite/ghost. It also makes you GET to level 4 faster. Sure, you'll have razors at level 4, but with smite you get to level 4 something like half a minute earlier, especially if you start at blue buff, which i usually don't. I mean, there are other arguments, but there is absolutely no reason not to take smite on warwick. Even late game it helps you do things like dragon faster, baron faster, steal buffs, steal baron, push waves, etc. I've been playing warwick since beta and there's no reason not to take smite on him. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
Elixir pump -> extra cash goes to Black Cleaver or Stark's Fervor depending. But elixirs are most important. On August 07 2010 20:37 Slaughter wrote: Everyone mentions desirious, who the hell is he? I always see him in there and once when I 1st started I asked him advice on Karth because his profile said he had played him a decent bit and he just gave me this pretentious spiel about how I shouldn't use him because I probably will never get the skill to use him correctly. He's a dick and that's all I know about him. He probably sucks at LoL. | ||
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PieceOCake
United States67 Posts
On August 06 2010 06:57 spinesheath wrote: Uh so because of one guy you are ignoring all of TL? One of the most mature gaming communities? Doesn't really make you look so good. No, I've played with many TLers and the majority of them were very elitist and BM. I don't mind competitive, but it was just to the point of harassment and cruelty to what they were saying to other players | ||
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:41 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I have like a 2:1 win ratio with warwick and the reason I take smite is because it makes jungling go faster, easier, and safer. It's one of the few spells in the game that you will use 100% of the time that it's up. Ignite blows on warwick, if they're low enough to where ignite could kill them your blood scent should kick in anyway. Take smite/ghost. It also makes you GET to level 4 faster. Sure, you'll have razors at level 4, but with smite you get to level 4 something like half a minute earlier, especially if you start at blue buff, which i usually don't. I mean, there are other arguments, but there is absolutely no reason not to take smite on warwick. Even late game it helps you do things like dragon faster, baron faster, steal buffs, steal baron, push waves, etc. I've been playing warwick since beta and there's no reason not to take smite on him. Imp. Smite is extremely underrated imo, I just keep spamming it on siege minions/heim turrets/whatever is available and it speeds pushing a lot, other than giving you a little free money. The CD is so low that whenever you'll be getting to a lane to gank you'll have it available to cast. Also can't wait for the return of jungle nunu, no need to ban heim anymore... | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:41 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: I have like a 2:1 win ratio with warwick and the reason I take smite is because it makes jungling go faster, easier, and safer. It's one of the few spells in the game that you will use 100% of the time that it's up. Ignite blows on warwick, if they're low enough to where ignite could kill them your blood scent should kick in anyway. Take smite/ghost. It also makes you GET to level 4 faster. Sure, you'll have razors at level 4, but with smite you get to level 4 something like half a minute earlier, especially if you start at blue buff, which i usually don't. I mean, there are other arguments, but there is absolutely no reason not to take smite on warwick. Even late game it helps you do things like dragon faster, baron faster, steal buffs, steal baron, push waves, etc. I've been playing warwick since beta and there's no reason not to take smite on him. So should i invest into wards mid/late game for ganking people while stealing buffs? If so, do i ward just dragon or all the buffs? EDIT: I thought just popped while i was typing this. If i was going to steal baron, could i put a ward behind the baron above the wall, and use carry smite/teleport instead? So i can easily teleport to my wards and jack it up? | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:23 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Going nashors first is bad. Get rageblade first. why is getting nashor first bad? | ||
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Cirn9
1117 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:23 SnK-Arcbound wrote: Going nashors first is bad. Get rageblade first. I do, I wasn't actually listing an order, thats just how my hands put them x: And while the game is usually over by then, I realized in a longer game earlier today that I have no idea what to build after. GA maybe? Also, 5Hit. Any chance on an updated Cho guide, ou said there were some things outdated in the old one. And I'm always impressed when I see or hear about your GreenTerror | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:56 Gao Xi wrote: So should i invest into wards mid/late game for ganking people while stealing buffs? If so, do i ward just dragon or all the buffs? EDIT: I thought just popped while i was typing this. If i was going to steal baron, could i put a ward behind the baron above the wall, and use carry smite/teleport instead? So i can easily teleport to my wards and jack it up? In order, Yes, it's the jungler's responsibility to ward the river at dragon and baron, and usually the buffs too. Other teammates should put wards where they want them as well. I'd say I buy a good 10-15 wards in a 40 minute game, but I usually buy them in 3s after the first one. Basically after you buy every time just use the rest of your cash on wards, or grab 3 when you heal. On the topic of baron, smite/teleport is nice and all but you really want ghost on warwick to dive with. As warwick YOU should be doing baron first, not them. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:44 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Elixir pump -> extra cash goes to Black Cleaver or Stark's Fervor depending. But elixirs are most important. He's a dick and that's all I know about him. He probably sucks at LoL. About 1:1 KD and his stats are worse than mine in solo ranked | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On August 07 2010 20:52 PieceOCake wrote: No, I've played with many TLers and the majority of them were very elitist and BM. I don't mind competitive, but it was just to the point of harassment and cruelty to what they were saying to other players I played with apurplecow a few times and he's seemed quite cool. | ||
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PieceOCake
United States67 Posts
I in no way though meant cow is not awesome or a topnotch player. Just gets carried away sometimes | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On August 07 2010 21:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: In order, Yes, it's the jungler's responsibility to ward the river at dragon and baron, and usually the buffs too. Other teammates should put wards where they want them as well. I'd say I buy a good 10-15 wards in a 40 minute game, but I usually buy them in 3s after the first one. Basically after you buy every time just use the rest of your cash on wards, or grab 3 when you heal. On the topic of baron, smite/teleport is nice and all but you really want ghost on warwick to dive with. As warwick YOU should be doing baron first, not them. Ｗｅｌｌ Ｉ’ｍ ｔａｌｋｉｎｇ ａｂｏｕｔ ｓｔｅａｌｉｎｇ Ｂａｒｏｎ， ｃａｕｓｅ ｆｒｏｍ ｗｈａｔ ｉ’ｖｅ ｅｘｐｅｒｉｅｎｃｅｄ ｆｒｏｍ ｓｏｌｏ ｑｕｅｕｅ． Ｔｈｅ ｗｉｎｎｉｎｇ ｔｅａｍ ｄｏｅｓｎ’ｔ ｒｅａｌｌｙ ｔａｋｅ Ｂａｒｏｎ， ｉｔｓ ｍｏｒｅ ｔｈａｎ ｏｆｔｅｎ ｔｈｅ ｔｅａｍ ｔｈａｔ ｉｓ ｌｏｓｉｎｇ ｄｅｓｐｅｒａｔｅｌｙ ｇｅｔｔｉｎｇ ｂａｒｏｎ． Ｃａｕｓｅ Ｉ ｗａｓ ｔｈｉｎｋｉｎｇ ｓｍｉｔｅ／ｔｅｌｅｐｏｒｔ ｆｏｒ ｓｔｅａｌｉｎｇ ｂｕｆｆｓ ｒａｔｈｅｒ ｔｈａｎ ｄｏｉｎｇ ｔｈｅｍ ｍｙｓｅｌｆ．Ｉｆ Ｍｙ ｍｏｓｔ／ａｌｌ ｏｆ ｍｙ ｔｅａｍ ｈａｄ ｔｅｌｅｐｏｒｔ ｗｏｕｌｄ ｔｈｉｓ ｂｅ ａ ｇｏｏｄ ｉｄｅａ ｔｏ ｕｓｅ ｔｈｅ ｗａｒｄｓ ａｓ ａ ｍｅａｎｓ ｔｏ ｇａｎｋ？ Ａｌｓｏ ｉｆ ｉｍ ｓｐｅｎｄｉｎｇ ｓｏ ｍｕｃｈ ｏｎ ｗａｒｄｓ ｗｈａｔ ｓｈｏｕｌｄ ｍｙ ｉｔｅｍ ｂｕｉｌｄ ｂｅ？ Ｄｏｅｓ ｔｈｅ ｊｕｎｇｌｅｒ’ｓ ｒｅｓｐｏｎｓｉｂｉｌｉｔｙ ａｐｐｌｙ ｔｏ ｏｔｈｅｒ ｊｕｎｇｌｅｒｓ ｉｅ Ｓｈａｃｏ／Ｕｄｙｒ？ | ||
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SCC-Faust
United States3736 Posts
Brb acupuncture. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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r33k
Italy3402 Posts
On August 07 2010 21:46 Gao Xi wrote: Ｗｅｌｌ Ｉ’ｍ ｔａｌｋｉｎｇ ａｂｏｕｔ ｓｔｅａｌｉｎｇ Ｂａｒｏｎ， ｃａｕｓｅ ｆｒｏｍ ｗｈａｔ ｉ’ｖｅ ｅｘｐｅｒｉｅｎｃｅｄ ｆｒｏｍ ｓｏｌｏ ｑｕｅｕｅ． Ｔｈｅ ｗｉｎｎｉｎｇ ｔｅａｍ ｄｏｅｓｎ’ｔ ｒｅａｌｌｙ ｔａｋｅ Ｂａｒｏｎ， ｉｔｓ ｍｏｒｅ ｔｈａｎ ｏｆｔｅｎ ｔｈｅ ｔｅａｍ ｔｈａｔ ｉｓ ｌｏｓｉｎｇ ｄｅｓｐｅｒａｔｅｌｙ ｇｅｔｔｉｎｇ ｂａｒｏｎ． Ｃａｕｓｅ Ｉ ｗａｓ ｔｈｉｎｋｉｎｇ ｓｍｉｔｅ／ｔｅｌｅｐｏｒｔ ｆｏｒ ｓｔｅａｌｉｎｇ ｂｕｆｆｓ ｒａｔｈｅｒ ｔｈａｎ ｄｏｉｎｇ ｔｈｅｍ ｍｙｓｅｌｆ．Ｉｆ Ｍｙ ｍｏｓｔ／ａｌｌ ｏｆ ｍｙ ｔｅａｍ ｈａｄ ｔｅｌｅｐｏｒｔ ｗｏｕｌｄ ｔｈｉｓ ｂｅ ａ ｇｏｏｄ ｉｄｅａ ｔｏ ｕｓｅ ｔｈｅ ｗａｒｄｓ ａｓ ａ ｍｅａｎｓ ｔｏ ｇａｎｋ？ Ａｌｓｏ ｉｆ ｉｍ ｓｐｅｎｄｉｎｇ ｓｏ ｍｕｃｈ ｏｎ ｗａｒｄｓ ｗｈａｔ ｓｈｏｕｌｄ ｍｙ ｉｔｅｍ ｂｕｉｌｄ ｂｅ？ Ｄｏｅｓ ｔｈｅ ｊｕｎｇｌｅｒ’ｓ ｒｅｓｐｏｎｓｉｂｉｌｉｔｙ ａｐｐｌｙ ｔｏ ｏｔｈｅｒ ｊｕｎｇｌｅｒｓ ｉｅ Ｓｈａｃｏ／Ｕｄｙｒ？ Your post is pretty hard to read, I'm guessing you either wrote from a smartphone or messed up with the chinese keyboard... Anyways, unless you're playing at a very high ELO, where you only ever see 2-3 people on the map outside of teamfights then yes, you could focus on stealing buffs instead of taking them yourself because people will be doing them whenever they respawn, bear in mind that teleport has a CD tho, and it's not that short. Also if their team's jungler will keep jungling even in the midgame instead of roaming the map looking for ganks I'll assume he's keeping an eye on our jungle aswell and buy wards/stealth wards for my own buffs. Make sure to be sneaky tho, because WW's E has given me more kills than it has given WWs. It's so easy to trap one when he thinks you can't see his debuff on you. Wards are amazing for ganking nonetheless, sometimes people forget about them and that's the best scenario for you, but other times you'll find that a jungler's job is also to make their opponents scared of entering their own jungle: if they can't see you and you have proven to be a good 1v1 assassin or a good ganker you can make sure they won't get close to their blue or red without someone else to cover them, by doing that even if you're not around they will have left a lane vulnerable even if you're on the other side of the map. Playing junglers is imo crucial for better understanding and control of the game and the minimap, you will just get used to buying wards and after the 2nd free kill you'll get you will just get used to buying wards whenever you BP. Wards aren't even that expensive, You'll always spare the cash to buy them and it's best to leave with 0g, 2 wards and a couple potions then being 200g short from an item upgrade. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
Tom "Zileas" Cadwell was mentioned in the "Special thanks to:" part of the credits for sc2 | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
Should I be getting Normal wards or the vision ones that see stealth? What should I get in terms of item build for WW other than Bloodrazors, or is that entirely depending on the enemy champions/what not? When would be a good time in the game to start putting down wards? | ||
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