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Niton
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2395 Posts
August 07 2010 08:00 GMT
#10721
On August 07 2010 16:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 16:01 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On August 07 2010 15:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I tried going 9/0/21 on Amumu to jungle last game instead of 1/19/10 and I died doing golem to the little lizards. Wtf, defensive tree is so clutch in jungle.


I do 1/8/21. 55 second CD on smite. I also tried a wraiths first with E instead. At level 2 blue is a lot easier to kill than at level 1.

Good point, but what are you taking in defensive tree that you need 8 for and how do you do golem at level 2 without smite refr... ahhhh, got it. 55 second cooldown.


probably passive HP regen? Leaves him at 7 and +2 MR is probably better than +3.6 AP or +.66% crit
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
August 07 2010 08:20 GMT
#10722
On August 07 2010 16:22 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 16:01 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On August 07 2010 15:54 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
I tried going 9/0/21 on Amumu to jungle last game instead of 1/19/10 and I died doing golem to the little lizards. Wtf, defensive tree is so clutch in jungle.


I do 1/8/21. 55 second CD on smite. I also tried a wraiths first with E instead. At level 2 blue is a lot easier to kill than at level 1.

Good point, but what are you taking in defensive tree that you need 8 for and how do you do golem at level 2 without smite refr... ahhhh, got it. 55 second cooldown.

cloth armor 5 hp pots. Wraiths with E save smite. Golems. You'll have to B. Kill blue (smite will be up from killing golems), wolves, lizard, buy heart of gold. 8 points for MR, armor to 3 in HP regen. at 55 seconds you have it up on the second group after you use it (use on golem, wraiths, up on wolves). Adapted this from my jungle fiddle.

I've tried blue first, being left with <100 hp is way too uncomfortable, plus you can just ignore blue and not have to worry about ganks. You can always tell they were waiting at blue when they are 10 seconds late to lanes. I might try golems first, did wraiths because I saw another jungle amumu do it. The faster level might mean I can do golem-wraiths-wolves before going back, might kill golem first too.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 07 2010 08:43 GMT
#10723
Just start at small golems in the first place with W, you'll level, take wraiths with W+E, run to wolves, kill them (oom, you can save smite here for golem or use it to kill faster). If you start with cloth + 4 pots you have enough for boots at this point. Kill golem with smite. Take one camp if you're adventurous, otherwise b and buy pots again. Kill Lizard, go gank one time, if you have enough hp/mana go other golem (assuming no other jungle). Dragon, level to 6, ult gank. Etc.

It's how I've been doing it if I don't want to start at blue for some reason (no team cover, another jungler, eve/twitch/shaco, just don't feel like it, etc.)
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 07 2010 09:16 GMT
#10724
On August 07 2010 16:43 Gao Xi wrote:
What are recommend summoner abilities for a jungling warwick? 'Cause i've seen people take smite and rally, but im guessing thats not good for late game. Without smite/rally, is it possible to solo dragon at lvl 4 still?


I really don't think rally is necessary. As soon as you get madreds, you will have no problem solo-ing drag. You should have that at level 5, maybe even level 4. Wasting a summoner slot to get dragon 1 level early when you can just ward it doesn't make any sense to me. I would take smite and either flash or ghost personally.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 07 2010 09:20 GMT
#10725
On August 07 2010 18:16 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 16:43 Gao Xi wrote:
What are recommend summoner abilities for a jungling warwick? 'Cause i've seen people take smite and rally, but im guessing thats not good for late game. Without smite/rally, is it possible to solo dragon at lvl 4 still?


I really don't think rally is necessary. As soon as you get madreds, you will have no problem solo-ing drag. You should have that at level 5, maybe even level 4. Wasting a summoner slot to get dragon 1 level early when you can just ward it doesn't make any sense to me. I would take smite and either flash or ghost personally.

I get smite/ghost and I think many high level players get that combo as well.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 07 2010 09:30 GMT
#10726
Nobody has taken rally for 5 months now, since they removed its healing component.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 07 2010 09:31 GMT
#10727
On August 07 2010 18:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Nobody has taken rally for 5 months now, since they removed its healing component.


Those were glorious days....
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 07 2010 09:33 GMT
#10728
It still heals you, just not your allies
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 07 2010 09:34 GMT
#10729
On August 07 2010 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
It still heals you, just not your allies



Eh... Does it? I took it on Sivir pretty recently and it definitely did not heal me...
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 09:47:46
August 07 2010 09:46 GMT
#10730
On August 07 2010 18:16 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 16:43 Gao Xi wrote:
What are recommend summoner abilities for a jungling warwick? 'Cause i've seen people take smite and rally, but im guessing thats not good for late game. Without smite/rally, is it possible to solo dragon at lvl 4 still?


I really don't think rally is necessary. As soon as you get madreds, you will have no problem solo-ing drag. You should have that at level 5, maybe even level 4. Wasting a summoner slot to get dragon 1 level early when you can just ward it doesn't make any sense to me. I would take smite and either flash or ghost personally.

Well I usually get Ghost/Ignite for warwick. And I start off with cloth armor + 3 HP pots, and i can jungle until 700g and then i bp for madreds razor. After I get the razor I get both buffs then solo drag (Im about lvl 4 Now) However I get Q skill first instead of W, so does it matter which skill i get first? And I heard even pros get smite with warwick, and i would like to know why, because from what i understand, I'm supposed to start ganking at lvl 6 and if im not ganking i continue jungling till then.
On August 07 2010 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
It still heals you, just not your allies

When I tried it, it didnt heal me or my allies.
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GodIsNotHere
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada395 Posts
August 07 2010 09:54 GMT
#10731
Yeah it doesn't heal you sadly but I kind of wish that skill in the dps tree for improved rally added a healing affect for you alone, might make it worth the skill point then.
In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Goodwill.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
August 07 2010 10:10 GMT
#10732
On August 07 2010 18:46 Gao Xi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 18:16 keV. wrote:
On August 07 2010 16:43 Gao Xi wrote:
What are recommend summoner abilities for a jungling warwick? 'Cause i've seen people take smite and rally, but im guessing thats not good for late game. Without smite/rally, is it possible to solo dragon at lvl 4 still?


I really don't think rally is necessary. As soon as you get madreds, you will have no problem solo-ing drag. You should have that at level 5, maybe even level 4. Wasting a summoner slot to get dragon 1 level early when you can just ward it doesn't make any sense to me. I would take smite and either flash or ghost personally.

Well I usually get Ghost/Ignite for warwick. And I start off with cloth armor + 3 HP pots, and i can jungle until 700g and then i bp for madreds razor. After I get the razor I get both buffs then solo drag (Im about lvl 4 Now) However I get Q skill first instead of W, so does it matter which skill i get first? And I heard even pros get smite with warwick, and i would like to know why, because from what i understand, I'm supposed to start ganking at lvl 6 and if im not ganking i continue jungling till then.
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 18:33 Shikyo wrote:
It still heals you, just not your allies

When I tried it, it didnt heal me or my allies.

Lol what? They removed that too? I remember I used it a few times right after the nerf and it did heal you.. or maybe I was hallucinating back then =S If it doesn't heal you it's crap yeah
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
August 07 2010 10:11 GMT
#10733
On August 07 2010 18:31 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 18:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Nobody has taken rally for 5 months now, since they removed its healing component.

Those were glorious days....
jax rally glitch. i used to run defensive/healthquints/rally/heal/redpot on pre-buff kat lol. never lost mid.

On August 07 2010 16:08 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 12:29 redtooth wrote:
On August 06 2010 23:08 Shikyo wrote:
What's there to watch... What they do, that's what there is to watch. Studying how people lane and their movement and so on, there's billions of things. It's not like anyone watches DotA or HoN replays just for the builds or the jungling patterns, either.
zzz you act like it's some mystery how people lane and shit. it's all about understanding the hero you are playing, how to push them to the limit, and personalizing the hero to fit your own preferences. HS isn't good at nidalee because his rune setup or masteries is better. it's not because he understands laning so much better. it's because he understands nidalee better. seriously the only thing i can imagine you learning from replays is how to jungle.
I think you're watching replays wrong then =X I don't think you should learn anything less from them than from DotA or HoN replays.
eh? what replays am i watching? you're severely overrating the impact replays will have on your skill level. after a certain point you should just have a solid understanding in laning and so called "movements" just from understanding the game. this isn't BW where tiny nuances are essential to the outcome of the game and can be emulated to improve your own skill. this is LoL where who you know is more important than how well you play.
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Cirn9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1117 Posts
August 07 2010 10:32 GMT
#10734
So assuming theres still a game going on after Boots/Nashor's/GRB. What do you get afterwards on Kayle?
Unprotected sex is like fast expanding in close positions. Its risky, but feels great when it works out
APurpleCow
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1372 Posts
August 07 2010 10:50 GMT
#10735
On August 07 2010 19:32 mikku wrote:
So assuming theres still a game going on after Boots/Nashor's/GRB. What do you get afterwards on Kayle?


Elixir pump.
StuffedTurkey
Profile Joined May 2010
United States859 Posts
August 07 2010 11:08 GMT
#10736
On August 07 2010 18:16 keV. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 16:43 Gao Xi wrote:
What are recommend summoner abilities for a jungling warwick? 'Cause i've seen people take smite and rally, but im guessing thats not good for late game. Without smite/rally, is it possible to solo dragon at lvl 4 still?


I really don't think rally is necessary. As soon as you get madreds, you will have no problem solo-ing drag. You should have that at level 5, maybe even level 4. Wasting a summoner slot to get dragon 1 level early when you can just ward it doesn't make any sense to me. I would take smite and either flash or ghost personally.

I've solo'd dragon at level 3 with warwick before, no rally just smite and razors(possibly golem but i dont remember for sure)
the main thing is usually you reach level 4 about the time you get your razors so thats the time you dragon
You can't milk those!
-Kato-
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain1146 Posts
August 07 2010 11:19 GMT
#10737
I've got a question for you pros.

I really like Rammus, but I don't know if I'm getting the right items. I usually go for heart of gold>ninja tabi> then thornmail if I'm going against lots of physical damage or sunfire cape if im going against magical. But after that I don't know what to get, and I end up getting 1 or 2 more sunfire capes, for the HP boost and the "fire" damage.

Suggestions? Thanks.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
August 07 2010 11:22 GMT
#10738
On August 07 2010 18:46 Gao Xi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 18:16 keV. wrote:
On August 07 2010 16:43 Gao Xi wrote:
What are recommend summoner abilities for a jungling warwick? 'Cause i've seen people take smite and rally, but im guessing thats not good for late game. Without smite/rally, is it possible to solo dragon at lvl 4 still?


I really don't think rally is necessary. As soon as you get madreds, you will have no problem solo-ing drag. You should have that at level 5, maybe even level 4. Wasting a summoner slot to get dragon 1 level early when you can just ward it doesn't make any sense to me. I would take smite and either flash or ghost personally.

And I heard even pros get smite with warwick, and i would like to know why, because from what i understand, I'm supposed to start ganking at lvl 6 and if im not ganking i continue jungling till then.


It does speed up jungling a tad, but I suspect another main reason is for when better teams ward each others buffs. A good player will just run over and smite steal buffs from junglers/carrys while they are doing it. Smite with wards is incredibly powerful on heroes like Shaco, who can traverse the map at ridiculous speeds.
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
August 07 2010 11:23 GMT
#10739
On August 07 2010 19:32 mikku wrote:
So assuming theres still a game going on after Boots/Nashor's/GRB. What do you get afterwards on Kayle?

Going nashors first is bad. Get rageblade first.
keV.
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3214 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-07 11:31:40
August 07 2010 11:24 GMT
#10740
On August 07 2010 19:11 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2010 18:31 keV. wrote:
On August 07 2010 18:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Nobody has taken rally for 5 months now, since they removed its healing component.

Those were glorious days....
jax rally glitch. i used to run defensive/healthquints/rally/heal/redpot on pre-buff kat lol. never lost mid.


Baiting 1v1s with rally was one of my favorite things about it. The rally nerf is honestly one of the most confusing Riot have done in my opinion. Apparently they want everyone to roll with the same 4 summoners spells.

Edit: Then again, I'm someone who is still waiting on that promote remake!
"brevity is the soul of wit" - William Shakesman
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