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HazMat
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HeavOnEarth
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:11 HazMat wrote: Nidalee is the best 1v2 in the game. Discuss She has something for the furry lovers and something for the traditionalists. Holding the lane with her sexy curves either way. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:11 HazMat wrote: Nidalee is the best 1v2 in the game. Discuss Nasus, Morgana, Heimer, Cho, Sion...(there are more) would all like a word with you. | ||
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Frolossus
United States4779 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
After next patch I think Vladimir will be a strong 2v1 because in the current build he can clear creep waves very easily and has very little risk of dying. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I'd say Sion isn't great in 1v2 either. 1v2 needs a strong combination of range, recovery, and some farming tool. Also, Mal'zahar, anyone? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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emucxg
Finland4559 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:11 HazMat wrote: Nidalee is the best 1v2 in the game. Discuss heimer is the best 1v5 in the game. Discuss | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:26 Shikyo wrote: After they hopefully buff malzahar in the next patch, he'll be totally viable. That'll be strange Really I think he is pretty good right now. A lot of people underestimate how well he can just obliterate someone important and the amount of damage his spells really do. With entire team's not running cleanse/ghost every game there is a lot more he can do to a single champion. With the change to cleanse so it doesnt remove dots you can still unload pretty safely even against targets with cleanse, you just lose a little damage from his ult. As long as you get enough survival to not die for ~ 3 seconds to setup and channel your ult then you should be fine. I've been playing him with 9/21/0 masteries, mpen marks, mp5level seals, CDR/level glyphs, and health quints. Around level 6 if you're dual laning you should easily be able to jib someone with WER and ignite. I think the thing that most people do wrong is they level Q before W and E are maxed and I really don't find it does enough dps or dpm to be worth maxing first. Just farm hard in lane (Which isnt hard because E is op for farming) and with a rylais and some boots you can just kill someone. The biggest problem I have had with him is against a team with too many stuns that will interrupt your ult. If the enemy team has 4 or less you should be fine. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:44 Phrost wrote: Really I think he is pretty good right now. A lot of people underestimate how well he can just obliterate someone important and the amount of damage his spells really do. With entire team's not running cleanse/ghost every game there is a lot more he can do to a single champion. With the change to cleanse so it doesnt remove dots you can still unload pretty safely even against targets with cleanse, you just lose a little damage from his ult. As long as you get enough survival to not die for ~ 3 seconds to setup and channel your ult then you should be fine. I've been playing him with 9/21/0 masteries, mpen marks, mp5level seals, CDR/level glyphs, and health quints. Around level 6 if you're dual laning you should easily be able to jib someone with WER and ignite. I think the thing that most people do wrong is they level Q before W and E are maxed and I really don't find it does enough dps or dpm to be worth maxing first. Just farm hard in lane (Which isnt hard because E is op for farming) and with a rylais and some boots you can just kill someone. The biggest problem I have had with him is against a team with too many stuns that will interrupt your ult. If the enemy team has 4 or less you should be fine. Yeah he's felt relatively decent lately. He just seems like a champion that takes quite a bit of skill, but he can do absolute craptons of damage and his skills are pretty spammable. He'd be a lot more useful if his silence was a bit faster, though. I think that'd make him kind of pick-worthy. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
0/21/9 apen/mp5/mres/health ghost/cleanse meki + 2 mana pots -> GRB -> Nashor's EWWQWR -> R > W > Q > E But I'm not sure this is optimal. The things I really feel are the lack of pen and the lack of survivability. If I get ganked I basically slam on alt-WR-df and run away, which works, but eats a lot of cooldowns. Similar deal in teamfights, where it seems REALLY inefficient. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:48 Shikyo wrote: Yeah he's felt relatively decent lately. He just seems like a champion that takes quite a bit of skill, but he can do absolute craptons of damage and his skills are pretty spammable. He'd be a lot more useful if his silence was a bit faster, though. I think that'd make him kind of pick-worthy. The silence is extremely easy to aim but it doesnt do nearly as much damage in a controllable fashion as his other skills and isnt very ult friendly. I might try a build where I get one point in the silence to use for utility but I haven't really found enough mana to press every button when I want without golem buff anyway. The nudge in the range of his ult is also really really nice. It's definitely noticeable if you played him a lot (like i did) before. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Top Tier Garen Nasus Shaco Sion Teemo Veigar High Tier Akali Alistar Annie Fiddlesticks Kassadin Malzhar Malphite Morgana Ryze Shen Singed Tristana Twitch Warwick Xin Zhao Middle Tier Amumu Corki Dr. Mundo Ezreal Gangplank Gragas Heimerdinger Janna Jax Karthus Katerina Kayle Kennen Master Yi Mordekaiser Nidalee Olaf Pantheon Poppy Rammus Sivir Soraka Taric Trydamere Udyr Zilean Low Tier Anivia Ashe Cho Gath Kog Maw Nunu Twisted Fate Bottom Tier Evelynn Along with the help of the forum I'll try to turn this garbagepile into a pretty accurate tier list for teamliquid =) | ||
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BlueBird.
United States3890 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:53 oberon wrote: Thoughts on Kayle? I played a few games, and settled on: 0/21/9 apen/mp5/mres/health ghost/cleanse meki + 2 mana pots -> GRB -> Nashor's EWWQWR -> R > W > Q > E But I'm not sure this is optimal. The things I really feel are the lack of pen and the lack of survivability. If I get ganked I basically slam on alt-WR-df and run away, which works, but eats a lot of cooldowns. Similar deal in teamfights, where it seems REALLY inefficient. I run 9/0/21, Ghost Cleanse mpen, mp5, cdr, health between masteries + runes + nashoor's tooth I should be about max cdr which is nice you can use R freely since cool down is so low after change. Opening is personal preference but I like boots + 2 mana pot, 1 health pot, and then I rush GBR. | ||
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On July 25 2010 10:56 Shikyo wrote: Someone's tier list, discuss: Top Tier Garen Nasus Shaco Sion Teemo Veigar High Tier Akali Alistar Annie Fiddlesticks Kassadin Malzhar Malphite Morgana Ryze Shen Singed Tristana Twitch Warwick Xin Zhao Middle Tier Amumu Corki Dr. Mundo Ezreal Gangplank Gragas Heimerdinger Janna Jax Karthus Katerina Kayle Kennen Master Yi Mordekaiser Nidalee Olaf Pantheon Poppy Rammus Sivir Soraka Taric Trydamere Udyr Zilean Low Tier Anivia Ashe Cho Gath Kog Maw Nunu Twisted Fate Bottom Tier Evelynn Along with the help of the forum I'll try to turn this garbagepile into a pretty accurate tier list for teamliquid =) Teemo and Veigar in top tier makes this seem like a joke to me. | ||
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