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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:34 Shikyo wrote: Garen tier D? Garen is a bad one trick pony. His whirlwind is op at the beginning of the game but during late game it does nearly no damage. His ult it situationally good against tanky teams but his ability to chase isn't good enough to garen-tee his ult all the time. | ||
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Ame
United States246 Posts
On July 25 2010 09:18 Shikyo wrote: ghen: You have something personal against me despite everyone else disagreeing with you as well. It's true that your guide isn't good, that that's a better way and so on. I also said what's better -> constructive critique. If you'll just start crying about me being mean or elitist, well no one truly cares. Hope it makes you happy though~ Constructive critique: 'also take a look at this video~ [link]' Cheap shot trying to use constructive critique as an excuse: 'lol u suk this is much better!11one' I think a lot of people have something 'personal' against you. Hmm. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
The criteria was: 1) ease of use 2) strength of champion over the course of an entire game 3) strength and uniqueness of their spell kit 4) difficulty to play against 5) necessity of support to be effective | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:36 Ame wrote: Constructive critique: 'also take a look at this video~ [link]' Cheap shot trying to use constructive critique as an excuse: 'lol u suk this is much better!11one' I think a lot of people have something 'personal' against you. Hmm. I actually said that you should always take smite as chogath, then said that a better route is this and this, and then gave that video. If he takes advice and does it faster, it's good. It's also good for everyone who followed his guide and then figured out that that way is faster. What are you asking me to do? What have you done to help anyone? Nothing. Who are you, even? I actually do help and try to help many people despite being an asshole. You on the other hand just appear out of nowhere and... what? EDIT: Strangely enough Garen is quite popular at higher elos and he has an amazing early game combined with aggressive and threatening tanking. I think he's a solid pick. | ||
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jtype
England2167 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:43 jtype wrote: Also, what about a champion's synergy with one or more champs in the tier list? Should that affect their 'competitive viability' also? That was taken into consideration in mine | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
EDIT: The highest-elo Garen users I know, Chauster and Sabertiger, are a combined 43 wins 2 losses in Ranked mode with Garen. I know that's a small sample, but I really think he's a good and viable champion. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:41 Shikyo wrote: I actually said that you should always take smite as chogath, then said that a better route is this and this, and then gave that video. If he takes advice and does it faster, it's good. It's also good for everyone who followed his guide and then figured out that that way is faster. What are you asking me to do? What have you done to help anyone? Nothing. Who are you, even? I actually do help and try to help many people despite being an asshole. You on the other hand just appear out of nowhere and... what? EDIT: Strangely enough Garen is quite popular at higher elos and he has an amazing early game combined with aggressive and threatening tanking. I think he's a solid pick. Garen is a snowball pick and requires a strong team to support him. He's not going to carry but its not impossible to win with him. If you're playing in a lane against a bunch of idiots that don't know how to shut down garen then you'll probably win. I think he's just as effective as eve tbh. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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DanceCommander
United States1808 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:50 Phrost wrote: Garen is a snowball pick and requires a strong team to support him. He's not going to carry but its not impossible to win with him. If you're playing in a lane against a bunch of idiots that don't know how to shut down garen then you'll probably win. I think he's just as effective as eve tbh. eve is bad because she is countered by oracles. When a 400 gold item counters a champ, you don't play it. Garen has a 4 hour long silence and I think hes a pretty good tanky damage soak. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:50 Phrost wrote: Garen is a snowball pick and requires a strong team to support him. He's not going to carry but its not impossible to win with him. If you're playing in a lane against a bunch of idiots that don't know how to shut down garen then you'll probably win. I think he's just as effective as eve tbh. Yet to see 96% winrate in ranked with Eve. I think a lot of people have something 'personal' against you. Hmm. Yep many people do, but him and HazMat are the most obvious ones because I totally hurt their feelings one time. A prime example is this HazMat poll right here, it's totally obvious there'll be a million no's. Just read back my post and count how many times I've helped someone who asked a question about something, for instance. Most high-level players will hate me because I question them since I don't take anything for granted and most new people will hate me because it seems to be the "in" thing to do and since they mostly follow the high-tier players' opinions. Personally I'll vote no in the poll, but if you yourself haven't written newsposts for teamliquid, I'd like you to look at the mirror before you vote no. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:56 Shikyo wrote: Yet to see 96% winrate in ranked with Eve. Yep many people do, but him and HazMat are the most obvious ones because I totally hurt their feelings one time. A prime example is this HazMat poll right here, it's totally obvious there'll be a million no's. Just read back my post and count how many times I've helped someone who asked a question about something, for instance. Most high-level players will hate me because I question them since I don't take anything for granted and most new people will hate me because it seems to be the "in" thing to do and since they mostly follow the high-tier players' opinions. Personally I'll vote no in the poll, but if you yourself haven't written newsposts for teamliquid, I'd like you to look at the mirror before you vote no. There could be some that don't hate you but get tired of when you argue for or against certain things after the facts have been laid out against said opinion(though obviously you aren't the only one who has done that) | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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New Zealand6138 Posts
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
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Ame
United States246 Posts
On July 25 2010 11:41 Shikyo wrote: + Show Spoiler + On July 25 2010 11:36 Ame wrote: Constructive critique: 'also take a look at this video~ [link]' Cheap shot trying to use constructive critique as an excuse: 'lol u suk this is much better!11one' I think a lot of people have something 'personal' against you. Hmm. I actually said that you should always take smite as chogath, then said that a better route is this and this, and then gave that video. If he takes advice and does it faster, it's good. It's also good for everyone who followed his guide and then figured out that that way is faster. What are you asking me to do? What have you done to help anyone? Nothing. Who are you, even? I actually do help and try to help many people despite being an asshole. You on the other hand just appear out of nowhere and... what? EDIT: Strangely enough Garen is quite popular at higher elos and he has an amazing early game combined with aggressive and threatening tanking. I think he's a solid pick. I guess to start off, yes I agree with smite for jungling route and sniping random buffs/dragon. I rather have feast saved should I be stealing buff/dragon from an enemy standing right there. Then again, I'm also a terribad Cho, so what do I know? -edit- trolling saved for PM | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Oh man, Messiah is so hilarious. He's semi-quit and just trashtalks Grackis on the stream and Grackis gets so irritated. Messiah is my favorite Taric-player by the way, really liked his Taric back when he played. | ||
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APurpleCow
United States1372 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/4763/chinesericefarmer.jpg) Just played a ParkJaeHyuk style game. Chinese rice farmer ftw? | ||
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Tooplark
United States3977 Posts
I really like your tier list for the most part, Phrost. I feel like Alistar should be tier B. Akali seems like tier D material on account of her being Xin Zhao without the tankiness or slow, but I don't know much about Akali. Ryze could be tier C, but again it's all subjective. Kog'maw might deserve to be higher, but I see him so rarely that it's hard to really know. Why exactly is Kennen tier D? He's a huge skill requirement for underwhelming results, but I think he has his own niche in terms of reliable repeatable mass stunning. Finally, Mundo should be tier MUNDO. Mundo. | ||
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