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On July 24 2010 05:01 STS17 wrote:
In all likelihood we are playing different heimer styles but I have red/yellow AP runes and blue/quint CDR runes. I spec 9/0/21 (though I'm only level 27 so that isn't quite perfect yet) for heimer and run ghost and clarity. I get both imp ghost and clarity through my spec.
I use ghost because it lets me delay my boots for a little bit since archangels staff is fairly expensive and I want it asap. Clarity and reduced time on summoner spells keeps my mana at comfortable levels unless I am being severely harassed.
As a note with my set-up/style I generally never need blue buff.
Regarding killing his turrets: At low levels (read: 1-3 maybe 4) you spend a lot of time waiting around to get the last hits, I've seen many players using this time to attack turrets and then switching to mobs for last hits. It's more effective then you think especially if you have smite.
you'll have better success with 0/9/21 (strength of spirit ftw), mpen/mp5pl/mp5pl/flatHP, ghost/tele, building straight towards z-ring. you're an attrition hero, you don't get nearly enough from your AP runes to justify skimping on mana regen.
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lol mogwai do you just get SoS on everyone?
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sos is baller, u should get it on anyone with mana
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On July 24 2010 05:09 Orpheos wrote:
lol mogwai do you just get SoS on everyone?
pretty much. the mastery is completely absurd. but heimer has a boss base mana pool to boot and is designed for attrition, so it's especially brutal on him.
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the issue I have with the MPen runes is it results in a very minor increase in damage, less then 5% increase and only on rockets and grenade. +AP runes improves all aspects of the hero (auto attacks against towers gain 40% of your AP too where as MPen is useless) and Heimer scales pretty well with AP overall.
Compound that with the turrets not benefiting from MPen and it begins to lose its appeal. Yes you are an attrition hero and I have absolutely no problem outlasting my opponents with my build, I just don't feel the need for Zhonya's as my first item when I can get better benefits earlier.
Edit: I might try SoS over the 15% MR ignore once I hit 30 as I often finish games with over a 5k mana pool. For the record, you need 4200 mana to get a better benefit from Archangel's staff over a second Zhonyas so when games get late keep that in mind when trying to get more AP out of your slots.
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turrets benefit from mpen...
EDIT: and lol at better benefits than zhonya's. that item was basically made for heimer, it's so fucking absurd on him.
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strenght of spirit is the best mastery in the game, yes.
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On July 24 2010 05:15 Mogwai wrote:
turrets benefit from mpen...
Can you prove this? I've not seen anywhere that they do. I would be very happy to find that out but so far everywhere I've seen is they dont since they count as an immobile minion instead of you.
EDIT: and lol at better benefits than zhonya's. that item was basically made for heimer, it's so fucking absurd on him.
I said second zhonyas not first... as in you get more then 120 AP from archangels staff once you have more then 4200 mana.
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well, it's either that or meditation.
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get zhonya for its active on heimer. hes one of the champs that benefits most from it. actually i think he IS the champ that benefits most from it
also i was wondering this. the 15% MR mastery is like void staff? or like abyssal? or sorc boots?
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On July 24 2010 05:16 STS17 wrote:Can you prove this? I've not seen anywhere that they do. I would be very happy to find that out but so far everywhere I've seen is they dont since they count as an immobile minion instead of you.
I guess I've never tested it, but everything about them suggests that they would. they deal magic damage and count as you hitting something for drawing aggro, no idea why they wouldn't get magic pen. I'd just see how hard a turret hits a caster minion before and after buying sorc boots in a practice game for confirmation.
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On July 24 2010 05:16 STS17 wrote:Can you prove this? I've not seen anywhere that they do. I would be very happy to find that out but so far everywhere I've seen is they dont since they count as an immobile minion instead of you. Show nested quote +EDIT: and lol at better benefits than zhonya's. that item was basically made for heimer, it's so fucking absurd on him. I said second zhonyas not first... as in you get more then 120 AP from archangels staff once you have more then 4200 mana.
wait, what? are you trying to say that 4200 is a reasonable amount of mana to expect to have? you also forgot about the base mana from archangel's, it's good for over 120 a lot earlier than that, but w/e, it's still too much money for no utility, which will lead to you losing to people who know how to deal with Heimer, whereas Zhonya's is a big "fuck you" to people who try to bum rush you in your towers.
On July 24 2010 05:19 Orpheos wrote:
get zhonya for its active on heimer. hes one of the champs that benefits most from it. actually i think he IS the champ that benefits most from it
also i was wondering this. the 15% MR mastery is like void staff? or like abyssal? or sorc boots?
it's like void staff.
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On July 24 2010 05:25 Mogwai wrote:
it's like void staff.
okay i used to think it was like sorc boots and i was like shit this is the best mastery ever. then someone mentioned that it was like void staff and i realized that would make more sense since 15mpen with one point seems alittle broken.
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it was still wicked good before they changed the order in with flat and % penetrations applied.
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ugh so i just took up my old favorite champ amumu for ranked games. got into 2 games in a row with 5+ people ranked 1600+ and i played well but some teammates really dropped the ball. back to the old frustration of not having a huge influence on the game until late game. i even got my team some kills with good Q + R combos in mid game but we just ended up getting rolled. the other team had kayle + taric (and both of those players were 1600+) and that was really a bitch in group fights.
im starting to think that the team captain should be able to decide the order his team gets to pick because our captain had first pick and took zilean. then the other team took kayle and taric and then our 2nd pick took udyr. i would've been happy to take kayle if i had first pick and i dont think he'd be worried about his zilean being taken
in other words, solo q feels like a crapshoot even at high ratings. those games knocked me down to 1471 =[
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On July 24 2010 05:25 Mogwai wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 05:16 STS17 wrote:On July 24 2010 05:15 Mogwai wrote:
turrets benefit from mpen... Can you prove this? I've not seen anywhere that they do. I would be very happy to find that out but so far everywhere I've seen is they dont since they count as an immobile minion instead of you. EDIT: and lol at better benefits than zhonya's. that item was basically made for heimer, it's so fucking absurd on him. I said second zhonyas not first... as in you get more then 120 AP from archangels staff once you have more then 4200 mana. wait, what? are you trying to say that 4200 is a reasonable amount of mana to expect to have? you also forgot about the base mana from archangel's, it's good for over 120 a lot earlier than that, but w/e, it's still too much money for no utility, which will lead to you losing to people who know how to deal with Heimer, whereas Zhonya's is a big "fuck you" to people who try to bum rush you in your towers. Show nested quote +On July 24 2010 05:19 Orpheos wrote:
get zhonya for its active on heimer. hes one of the champs that benefits most from it. actually i think he IS the champ that benefits most from it
also i was wondering this. the 15% MR mastery is like void staff? or like abyssal? or sorc boots? it's like void staff.
Yes I am saying 4200 mana is a reasonable amount of mana to expect to have in a long game. And from your comments I'm not sure if you are understanding what I am saying by "second Zhonyas" I mean "hey look I have 10k gold the game has been going on for 65 minutes and I have 5 powerful items already one of which is Zhonyas, what item should I buy that would give me the most benefit?" The answer to that is archangel's staff not a second zhonya's if you are looking to get the largest AP increase in one item from a late-game perspective
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What they need to do is allow your team to pick 5 heroes, then you assign who's going to play who.
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On July 24 2010 05:36 myopia wrote:
What they need to do is allow your team to pick 5 heroes, then you assign who's going to play who.
that would work great too
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On July 24 2010 05:36 myopia wrote:
What they need to do is allow your team to pick 5 heroes, then you assign who's going to play who.
that and fix how OP some champs are. QQ whine bitch etcetc.
on another note. this thread made me lol. go guinsoo with the pro PvZ. those survival levels are fucking crazy. only hard part of the game.
http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=179826
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