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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 18:09 GMT
#2761
couldn't mundo jungle like a champ?
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 18:20:03
June 29 2010 18:10 GMT
#2762
Mundo DOES jungle like a champ. I don't know if he's a fast jungler, though.

Edit:
For instance, Rammus clears Wraith and Wolf spawns in a little over 10 seconds for around 110 mana. Only Cho'Gath (who basically two-hits them) really rivals this speed IMO, especially when compared to hp/mana costs vs kill (Amumu takes ~12 seconds and would take about 200 mana to perform the deed).

Edit2:
The other major factor for Rammus' jungling speed is that you simply powerball from one creep to the other (obviously walking a bit to make sure you can powerball into the creep instead of having it run out). Movement speed is one of the reasons why when I used Malphite I would buy boots as my second item.

Edit3:
By comparison, Shen, whom some would like to argue is a good jungler, takes 20-30 seconds to clear Wraith spawn, even after smiting the Blue Wraith. He's a terrible jungler. Mundo has similar issues, except at least Sadism gives him some good damage, so I'd definitely take Mundo/Udyr/Nasus>Shen if I needed a melee DPS jungler.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 18:20 GMT
#2763
I just imagine he'd rapestroy buff creeps really fast with cleavers doing % damage. he's probably pretty slow vs. wolf camps though.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 29 2010 18:23 GMT
#2764
Mundo struggles versus mass creep (wolf/wraith), but that's where Sadism comes in. Again, I'm sure he's not a terrible jungler, in fact he's probably one of the better ones because his early-game damage output is so good.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 29 2010 18:28 GMT
#2765
By comparison, Shen, whom some would like to argue is a good jungler, takes 20-30 seconds to clear Wraith spawn, even after smiting the Blue Wraith. He's a terrible jungler. Mundo has similar issues, except at least Sadism gives him some good damage, so I'd definitely take Mundo/Udyr/Nasus>Shen if I needed a melee DPS jungler.

Wait what? Nasus? SF does enough damage to net early creep kills? I'm definitely going to have to try that out.
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deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-09 00:40:18
June 29 2010 18:29 GMT
#2766
So I guess I'll start up a guide for Support Taric...it's probably going to end up longer than this, so it's a WIP but here's the start.

+ Show Spoiler +
Taric is a wonderful support character. At first glance, he may seem like a tank, and he can pull it off reasonably well, but tanking is not his forte.

Passive: Gemcraft- Every melee hit gives you 7% of the damage back in mana.

Q: Imbue- heals you and your target, does double if you target yourself. Scales ~.9 with AP.

W: Shatter- Gives you a +armor aura and an active to sacrifice the aura for large AoE damage and armor pen against targets. Scales ~.7 with AP.

E: Dazzle- Does damage and stuns based on range (farther away = more stun less damage) Scales 1:1 with AP.

R: Radiance- Constantly drains mana in return for a huge AD boost to all allies and huge regen for you (think Mundo ult level). Scales ~.3 with AP.


His two best sets are aurabitch Taric (which won't be covered yet) and AP/healer Taric. The latter is my personal favorite, so I'll start the guide with him.

At a Glance

Skills:
1: Q or E
2: W
3: The other of lvl 1.
4: W or Q
5: W
6: R
7: whichever you didn't get at 4.
8: W
9: W
10: Q
11: R
12: Q
13: Q
14: E
15: E
16: R
17: E
18: E

Items:
Mekai's Pendant
Chalice of Harmony
Mercury's Treads (or Ninja Tabi)
Catalyst
Rod of Ages
Stinger
Nashor's Tooth
Zhonya's Ring/Archangel's Staff/Rod of Ages


Opening: Always buy Mekai pendant first. Taric absolutely requires Chalice of Harmony on every build other than aurabitch. I usually don't spend the extra yet, in favor of having great returns on my first trip back, but you can grab a HP pot if you like. For your first skill, choose E if you have a high damage hero like Yi (with Wuju) and want an early gank, otherwise choose W. Get Q at level 2 regardless. At this point, you should be able to keep yourself and your lane mate at near full health constantly. Keep auto attacking (ideally let your lanemate last hit off of you) to keep your mana up whenever possible. At level 3, get whichever you did not get at level 1. Now until the midgame, whenever one of your opponents gets in range of E, stun him then shatter him. This "Shatterbombing" chips away at the HP of your enemies, allowing you to set up ganks and push easier. At 4, choose between W and Q depending on if you're pushing or getting pushed back respectively. From then on, finish W, finish Q, then finish E getting R whenever possible.

Midgame: Due to your excellent healing and mana regen (while attacking) you shouldn't have to go back until 6-7, at which time you should finish chalice and grab Merc treads (unless they have overwhelming numbers of physical damage (Think Yi + TF + Trist) in which case grab Tabi. Once you get Chalice, you can constantly spam your spells because combined with your passive, you shouldn't run OOM unless you're channeling your ult for extended periods. You should then begin organizing tower pushes centered around your ult. Once you hit ~11, you should be tanking the towers even if you have another tank on the team, due to your ult + self heal being able to keep you up easily. Use Shatter to push back large creep waves, Dazzle to punish over-aggressive heroes and cancel channels (like Kat's ult), and Imbue to top off all your teammates during a push. Your job is not to get stacked, but to keep everyone healed, kill towers, and hold enemies at bay. Grab Catalyst/RoA as soon as possible (I usually finish it around lvl 13) to get some much needed HP and AP.

Late game: Late game you should stay with your team, keep everyone healed and Ult during every team battle and tower push. Late game items are usually Nashor's Tooth (CDR and AS help heal quite a bit) and Zhonya's Ring/Archangels. I've also been experimenting with stacking 2 RoAs and a Nashor's to some success.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 18:30 GMT
#2767
On June 30 2010 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
By comparison, Shen, whom some would like to argue is a good jungler, takes 20-30 seconds to clear Wraith spawn, even after smiting the Blue Wraith. He's a terrible jungler. Mundo has similar issues, except at least Sadism gives him some good damage, so I'd definitely take Mundo/Udyr/Nasus>Shen if I needed a melee DPS jungler.

Wait what? Nasus? SF does enough damage to net early creep kills? I'm definitely going to have to try that out.

SF is beastly, as is his passive lifesteal. it's just a shame to waste such a good 1v2 laner on jungling :p
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 18:33:26
June 29 2010 18:31 GMT
#2768
On June 30 2010 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
By comparison, Shen, whom some would like to argue is a good jungler, takes 20-30 seconds to clear Wraith spawn, even after smiting the Blue Wraith. He's a terrible jungler. Mundo has similar issues, except at least Sadism gives him some good damage, so I'd definitely take Mundo/Udyr/Nasus>Shen if I needed a melee DPS jungler.

Wait what? Nasus? SF does enough damage to net early creep kills? I'm definitely going to have to try that out.


Nope, but it reduces armor and helps you do more damage, while his passive gives him lifesteal. It's not much, but it's more than what Shen's got (Vorpal).

On June 30 2010 03:30 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2010 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote:
By comparison, Shen, whom some would like to argue is a good jungler, takes 20-30 seconds to clear Wraith spawn, even after smiting the Blue Wraith. He's a terrible jungler. Mundo has similar issues, except at least Sadism gives him some good damage, so I'd definitely take Mundo/Udyr/Nasus>Shen if I needed a melee DPS jungler.

Wait what? Nasus? SF does enough damage to net early creep kills? I'm definitely going to have to try that out.

SF is beastly, as is his passive lifesteal. it's just a shame to waste such a good 1v2 laner on jungling :p


Yeah, and oddly enough he's one of those few jackasses that farms faster in lane anyways (cuz of SF) so it's really really really a waste, but he still jungles faster than the snail Shen.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 18:33 GMT
#2769
jungling also gives you really easy Q building.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 29 2010 18:36 GMT
#2770
On June 30 2010 02:53 Crucifix wrote:
Okey, when I was playing HoN I laughed at this funny LoL game but now I have to admit this is hella more fun and it's way more addictive lol, LoL > HoN ez.


On a different note, our thread is better, too (o_o)b
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Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
June 29 2010 18:41 GMT
#2771
On June 30 2010 03:36 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2010 02:53 Crucifix wrote:
Okey, when I was playing HoN I laughed at this funny LoL game but now I have to admit this is hella more fun and it's way more addictive lol, LoL > HoN ez.


On a different note, our thread is better, too (o_o)b


haha. its doesnt take much to be better than the HoN thread.

we should have two threads. one for us to just chat up and talk about random LoL related stuff, and one for strategy and guides. cause i find myself wanting to find certain strategy/char related discussions that i remember reading but having a really hard time sifting through the massive amount of posts. and i always come here instead of other forums cause the intelligence doesnt even compare.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 29 2010 18:44 GMT
#2772
I tried keeping track of all of this stuff (the guides list) but it just became really rough trying to ToC pages and pages of random discussions.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 18:44 GMT
#2773
Southlight's pretty good about linking to the finished guides in the first post, but tbh, as he said a little earlier, things change really really quickly, so it's barely worth it to read/write guides, because it could all go to hell in the next patch :p...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
June 29 2010 18:49 GMT
#2774
Fun fact: Gangplank gains +2 gold for killing his own minions with a Twisted Fate on his team.
Retvrn to Forvms
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 18:50 GMT
#2775
haha, sweet. not as cool as the Olaf killing himself bug was though rofl.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 29 2010 18:50 GMT
#2776
On June 30 2010 03:49 Chrispy wrote:
Fun fact: Gangplank gains +2 gold for killing his own minions with a Twisted Fate on his team.


LOL

I'm sorry, that's just...

LOL
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myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 29 2010 18:53 GMT
#2777
it's DotA last hitting all over again, but even worse because you get money for it and can actually reverse push and use your own tower for zoning
it's my first day
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 18:54 GMT
#2778
it's also the only thing Gangplank has going for him, give the poor guy a break.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
June 29 2010 18:57 GMT
#2779
On June 30 2010 03:54 Mogwai wrote:
it's also the only thing Gangplank has going for him, give the poor guy a break.


Actually his ult + amumu's ult is SICK at the moment. I was getting GPs double/triple kills all the time. I guess they did buff the cannonball range, it pretty much covers the whole ult area now, just making it a pure DPS zone.
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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 19:01 GMT
#2780
ehhhhhhhhh

w/e, I still think he has a pretty mediocre skill set and his base stat growth is laughably bad.
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