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Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 12:24:59
June 29 2010 12:21 GMT
#2681
someone tell me how to counter all tholse stupid easy heros that everyone picks.

Shaco, Partheon and all the others I don't know the names to!

all i do is play Teemu and Master Yi!
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
June 29 2010 12:24 GMT
#2682
On June 29 2010 21:16 Bloodash wrote:
Southlight: I have 10 more wins then losses, would 'people of your level' dodge me?

I would dodge you, and I'm only +50 =P.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 12:27:40
June 29 2010 12:25 GMT
#2683
On June 29 2010 21:02 Yiruru wrote:
@ZERG_RUSSIAN
Depends on your win %, whether solo or team queue, and your number of games.

Where would I be with ~350 wins and +50 in solo queue (not sure about the win amount because servers are down, but I'll check as soon as I can)? I'm assuming it's just a bit above decent. If I play with a 5 man we usually run into dedicated tryhards and once in a while a name drop.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Nokeboy
Profile Joined December 2008
United States1009 Posts
June 29 2010 12:28 GMT
#2684
Oh lol reading past few pages they are nerfing Shaco, I have played this game maybe 5 times in past month and every game had Shaco that would jsut 2 shot everyone and was impossible to kill
Yiruru
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada690 Posts
June 29 2010 12:32 GMT
#2685
Mid-high then =P

I don't know if theres been any changes to ELO, but generally it goes up higher solo queuing as long as you maintain 55%+ win rate.
Marradron
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands1586 Posts
June 29 2010 13:03 GMT
#2686
People can add me if they want

Marradron both EU and US. only lvl 10 on both though. Any idea how long Us will stay unavailable ? looked 3 hours ago and its still unavailable.
Corvi
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany1406 Posts
June 29 2010 13:04 GMT
#2687
i think you get hell better stats with solo queuing.

i played my first 150 (or most of them at least) games solo and endet up like 100:50. then i startet with arranged teams and damn, it feels so much harder. if you premade teams dont give you way better teamplay as well, you will just go down against the way better opponents faced then.
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 13:18:54
June 29 2010 13:09 GMT
#2688
fuck the dodgin penalty. i realize its a nuisance, but is a very necessary one. im at a mid elo where 75% of the team comps i solo que in are complete shit. i mean i dont want a tryhard comp, but comon someone pick a fucking tank and not all people play trynd, yi and two more melee chars.

what they should do is revamp the champion select process. have it so you have to pick a champ within 30s(or some short amount of time) or the system "autododges". in this time you can leave without penalty. then after that you still have time to change runes and masteries, but you cant leave anymore without getting a leaver penalty. also put the countdown in the corner while changing masteries >_<.

edit*
oh and fuck me with kayle nerf. i guess it was warranted but still >_< pissed.
had a ball with gangplank in one game last night. i normaly suck at melee chars, but with gang you can poke really easily with parrley, free cleanse with scurvy, and contribute alright with ult to teamfights and decent sustained crit dps. i mean it might not work at high elos, but its fun for me. not sure ill buy him yet, have to try out a couple more games.
also followed zerg russians cho and carried my team =P. not a big fan of the playstyle, but it sure was dominant. i think the biggest key to playing cho is hitting ruptures and staying alive.
Taurent
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Canada401 Posts
June 29 2010 13:31 GMT
#2689
I bought Pantheon earlier and had great fun with him, getting 20/0 in TT. However, I just dont understand the recommended items. I usually just buy recommended items for my champions without giving it much thought (yeah thats pretty noob) but I can't understand why they recommend items like Last Whisper, which gives a nice increase in attack speed but i feel like Panth would prefer raw AD, for heartseeker. Am I missing something there ?
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
June 29 2010 13:35 GMT
#2690
I don't see enough DFG and ignite on poppy's. Do most people know that his ult boosts the damage for those?
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
June 29 2010 13:43 GMT
#2691
On June 29 2010 22:31 Taurent wrote:
I bought Pantheon earlier and had great fun with him, getting 20/0 in TT. However, I just dont understand the recommended items. I usually just buy recommended items for my champions without giving it much thought (yeah thats pretty noob) but I can't understand why they recommend items like Last Whisper, which gives a nice increase in attack speed but i feel like Panth would prefer raw AD, for heartseeker. Am I missing something there ?


Last whisper gives good armour pen
u gotta sk8
Orpheos
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1663 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-29 13:55:54
June 29 2010 13:54 GMT
#2692
On June 29 2010 22:31 Taurent wrote:
I bought Pantheon earlier and had great fun with him, getting 20/0 in TT. However, I just dont understand the recommended items. I usually just buy recommended items for my champions without giving it much thought (yeah thats pretty noob) but I can't understand why they recommend items like Last Whisper, which gives a nice increase in attack speed but i feel like Panth would prefer raw AD, for heartseeker. Am I missing something there ?


its like void staff. if your opponents are taking armor(which they should) Apen and Mpen are extremely cost effective vs pure AD or AP. oh and void staff and LW both scale with how much defense they are taking, so you dont have to stack Mpen and Apen if you dont want to.

edit*
does sheen work with parrley same way it works with mystic? how does it work with mystic?
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
June 29 2010 14:05 GMT
#2693
On June 29 2010 22:35 Juicyfruit wrote:
I don't see enough DFG and ignite on poppy's. Do most people know that his ult boosts the damage for those?


Poppy doesn't show up a whole lot. To give you an example, until I just checked, I thought her ult made her invulnerable to her target (it's actually to everyone BUT her target) and provided no damage bonus.
myopia
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2928 Posts
June 29 2010 14:29 GMT
#2694
Can't believe they're charging so much for the energy runes, they're cool and all but the ninjas have been getting on just fine without them.

it's my first day
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
June 29 2010 14:43 GMT
#2695
Which is sad because I reallllllly want those max energy runes for kennen.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 14:44 GMT
#2696
On June 29 2010 21:21 Nokeboy wrote:
someone tell me how to counter all tholse stupid easy heros that everyone picks.

Shaco, Partheon and all the others I don't know the names to!

all i do is play Teemu and Master Yi!


Pantheon: Don't be ballsy early when you're sitting under 500-600 health cause he can combo kill you. Invest in an early chain vest to stay ahead of his armor penetration (armor vs. armor pen is a losing battle for pen). seriously, against pantheon, counter itemization completely ruins him and is worth it even if it means you're building sunfire cape of Teemo.

Shaco: Stop his farming/ganking via wards. If he's jungling, you must disrupt it and not get ganked. If he's laning and you have a strong lane, you need to abuse his squishiness and not let him farm creep up.

On June 29 2010 22:31 Taurent wrote:
I bought Pantheon earlier and had great fun with him, getting 20/0 in TT. However, I just dont understand the recommended items. I usually just buy recommended items for my champions without giving it much thought (yeah thats pretty noob) but I can't understand why they recommend items like Last Whisper, which gives a nice increase in attack speed but i feel like Panth would prefer raw AD, for heartseeker. Am I missing something there ?


He has one of the worst sets of recommended items. Chalice is the real crux of what's terrible... might as well flush that 900 gold down the toilet while you're at it. Zerker's Greaves are similarly retarded on a character with no escape mechanism... he needs Merc Treads.

I wrote a big old guide on Pantheon that's linked in the first post of this thread that you might wanna give a read, but if you just want a quick and dirty build order, the one I've currently got saved in my game files is:
boots
sword of the occult
brutalizer
merc treads
guardian angel
bloodthirster

solve the mana issues with runes and masteries, it's not worth compromising your itemization for meki/chalice unless you're under level 11 summoner (at level 11, you can get full mediation masteries, which are a big help).

On June 29 2010 22:54 Orpheos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 29 2010 22:31 Taurent wrote:
I bought Pantheon earlier and had great fun with him, getting 20/0 in TT. However, I just dont understand the recommended items. I usually just buy recommended items for my champions without giving it much thought (yeah thats pretty noob) but I can't understand why they recommend items like Last Whisper, which gives a nice increase in attack speed but i feel like Panth would prefer raw AD, for heartseeker. Am I missing something there ?


its like void staff. if your opponents are taking armor(which they should) Apen and Mpen are extremely cost effective vs pure AD or AP. oh and void staff and LW both scale with how much defense they are taking, so you dont have to stack Mpen and Apen if you dont want to.

edit*
does sheen work with parrley same way it works with mystic? how does it work with mystic?

unless I missed something big in patch notes somewhere down the line, Last Whisper only applies to auto-attacks and not skills that deal physical damage. which is why it's such a stupid idea on Pantheon, since you hardly ever find yourself chippin' away at someone with your autoattacks and all you really care about is the flat pen that works with your abilities.


the way sheen works with Mystic Shot is that:
1) you mystic shot
2) it counts as a spell being cast, triggering sheen
3) mystic shot hits and looks for proc effects, finds sheen and applies the stupid +80% damage

not sure if it works that way with GP, but it'd be easy to test in a practice game.


in other news, I was at like 200 hp vs. a half HP Trist, half HP Shaco, and half HP Kayle last night in the late game. then pokey's Kat showed up, I aegised the Trist, pokey shunpoed to Kayle, i HSSed, he ulted and they all melted in the time it took shaco to get 1 attack in. it was fucking sick, lol. best part was, I still had my GA trigger waiting :p.

also in that game, I started to understand why Brees likes AP Shaco... NintendudeX went like 26-1 or something and was 2 shotting everyone on their team with DFG + 2 Shiv, it was... really fucking impressive to watch someone hit a jitb, get feared and then just die instantly.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
June 29 2010 14:53 GMT
#2697
Extra time on dodge penalty is just stupid... At my ELO (650 wins / 540 losses) you need a very good team lineup to stand a chance. Nothing is as frustrating as ending up versus some team that abuses Ezreal and/or Shaco and there's nothing you can do about it because your team composition sucks.

If people can not agree on a good setup in champion select, it's stupid that only the one that leaves in the end gets the penalty. He just did everyone a favor.

Really bad decision on lengthening queue penalties.
This signature is ruining eSports.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
June 29 2010 14:54 GMT
#2698
Speaking of Trist, I hear all this talk about AP, but I've never seen any talk of what the 'standard' build seems to be. Personally I've had much success with AS/Crit/AD (beginning with Last Whisper) but I'm not sure it's the 'right' thing to do. I've heard about 1K dmg ultis/ 500 dmg rocket boosts, but isn't survivability better if you're abusing her range and blasting away from behind, really quickly and for hella dmg?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
June 29 2010 14:58 GMT
#2699
My tristana build goes something like

- boots
- catalyst
- infinities edge (BF -> Cloak -> IE)
- green pots
- starks or LW
- banshee's veil

Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
June 29 2010 14:59 GMT
#2700
also, just to mirror some of the hate on this patch... it's really really terrible, and I friggin' hate it.

like, I'm glad they started to address Volley and MS having too long range and too much damage, and I suppose fixing the buggy clone for Shaco was necessary, but god, almost everything else was terrible...

-Energy Runes are fucking terrible because:
1) they only doing something on 3 characters
2) they force riot to balance ninjas around 70 Energy Regen/5 rather than 50
3) because of 2, in order to play ninjas, you will need Energy Runes, thus trivializing pre-game setup for them.

- Queue dodge timer is annoying. If you want to penalize me for dodging Hanma cause he sucks... ok, w/e, I'll get over it (p.s. he sucks, dodge every time, jesus). But if they're gonna do that, they literally HAVE to auto-dodge when someone is afk and has no champion selected, cause that's some real bullshit that someone else needs to fall on that grenade when someone goes off to drop a deuce when they're in queue.

- wtf is with this Locket Nerf? If you're going to do this shit, it needs to heal minions again, cuz fuck, they finally killed it with this one. Christ, I can't believe how much they shat on that item in the last 34712984792374 patches.

- Jax, Mundo, and Smite nerfs all feel completely needless and I'm honestly upset over the smite and Mundo ones... Jax, w/e, it's just tweaks that'll barely be felt, but gotdamn, wth did Mundo or Smite ever do to anyone?

- half damage to tower nerfs for Clone and Heimer Turret don't make sense and seem like a lazy attempt at treating the symptom, not the underlying cause.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
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