You're not banned yet? Guess I'll just PM a different mod this time.

As for Trynd, my friend gets double zeals because Trynd isn't useless when he has the MS and AS to actually kill people mid-game. Avarice Blade is useless on Trynd because it doesn't cover any of his early-game weaknesses.

Avarice technically covers Tryndamere's laning weaknesses by giving him additional staying power through Bloodlust. You could argue that there might be better items or more important weaknesses to cover, but to say that Avarice doesn't cover any of his weaknesses is a bit hyperbolic.

gtrsrs

United States9109 Posts

October 25 2010 19:17 GMT

#26724

On October 26 2010 04:08 Jazriel wrote:

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don't worry, i've been PMing TL.net Bot about you too. he's got my back bruh

gold per minute sure is a bad thing to have huh?

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

October 25 2010 19:25 GMT

#26725

Speaking of gold per minute, are there any builds out there that make good use of Kage's Lucky Pick?

There are tons that use HoG, a bunch that use Avarice but I can't remember the last time anyone mentioned that item...ever.
(I know it builds into DFG, but people seem to just talk about the DFG itself, not the pieces.)

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

October 25 2010 19:30 GMT

#26726

that's just sorta the nature of AP hungry-characters though... Straight AP isn't that big of a deal, they need some utility in the package or it's not terribly useful, which is the same reason why AP builds are typically very greedy rushes for RoA (obscene efficiency), Rylai's or Z-Ring (both have lots of utility).

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

October 25 2010 19:32 GMT

#26727

To be honest, gold per minute isn't particularly strong an ability in itself. People don't stack Avarice for the sake of stacking Avarice without wanting the crit. HoG is just one of the easiest next steps after the jungler cloth+5xpot opening in additional to being quite a good tanky item. So yeah, I don't really see how that argument works at all here.

The problem I see with going with 2 zeals is...well, what the heck do you actually get from having 2 zeals. It really isn't going to be the thing that make or breaks your laning. Hell, sucking it up and opening a dshield makes infinite more sense for laning. The difference easily works into the Avarice that both pays for itself and gives you bloodlust stacks you need to keep laning. For jungling, I guess it can help ganks a little with additional MS, but you have have a ton of MS and crit chances and still hit for nothing because you have no AD items. Zeal doesn't even have the ability to provide you with a steady stream of gold by itself. So yeah, why 2x zeal?

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

October 25 2010 19:43 GMT

#26728

Double Zeal on Tryd is fucking stupid. Congrats, you attack faster but you do no damage. Even if you crit, you do no damage. There's a reason why the "standard" Trynd is 1-2 Avarice into IE.

I can understand if you wanted to get a Zeal and forgo the Avarice(s) and have extra MS and dodge. But going 2 Zeals, you're really gimping yourself. All you get out of 2 Zeals is faster Bloodlust charges, which means jack in team fights.

Jazriel

Canada404 Posts

October 25 2010 19:47 GMT

#26729

*Shrugs* My friend isn't the best player, but I trust him to have solid advice when it comes to Trynd.

I guess I'll talk to him about Avarice into GB, see what he thinks.

And I love the rage on these forums. So much drama.

Jupiter.sKy

United States50 Posts

October 25 2010 19:48 GMT

#26730

This page deserves recognition!!!
Let us discuss the AD singed in the last game who got carried.

Ecael

United States6703 Posts

October 25 2010 19:53 GMT

#26731

What rage? If you mean how people are pretty hostile toward you, well, considering how your behavior in this thread has garnered a ton of bad will. This is pretty mild.

That said, Neo, I don't know if the teamfight argument makes much sense. Without a pretty large gap in amount of farm, the two different Trynd builds will both be kinda useless in teamfights at this particular stage, no?

red_

United States8474 Posts

October 25 2010 19:55 GMT

#26732

On October 26 2010 04:53 Ecael wrote:
What rage? If you mean how people are pretty hostile toward you, well, considering how your behavior in this thread has garnered a ton of bad will. This is pretty mild.

That said, Neo, I don't know if the teamfight argument makes much sense. Without a pretty large gap in amount of farm, the two different Trynd builds will both be kinda useless in teamfights at this particular stage, no?

Except the 2 Zeals build into... well nothing important. The Avarice gives g/5 and builds into a future GB. In some perfect world crit cloak would be a good buy, except you can get brawlers gloves+pots to start the game, build it into an avarice and be fine, crit cloak is 880 =/

Phrost

United States4008 Posts

October 25 2010 19:57 GMT

#26733

posting on an epic page.

Also I think the test realm is getting reworked soon

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

October 25 2010 19:58 GMT

#26734

I wouldn't say rage either. It's a personality thing imoimo.

Trynd is a dps melee carry, so by definition, he needs a ton of farm to become godly late game. Until then, he's rather subpar. However, team fights happen a fairly frequently prior to level 16+. Let's say both teams group up to decide who will get dragon. Would you want a Trynd that has 2 Zeals or one that has an Avarice and a BF Sword? There is a reason why "afk farm" item builds don't become recommended. Sure, there are games where you can manage to get them to work but do you want it in most situations?