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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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radmax86
United States437 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:30 Mogwai wrote: because I play a champion and style that makes me focus considerably more on Champion combat than farming? Really poor excuse. You have played hundreds and hundreds of games, and should have figured this out by now. Be more observant man, this is basic stuff every veteran should know. The fact so many of you guys had to check this in a practice game makes me sad =[ | ||
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dnastyx
United States2707 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
If there's something I'm overlooking, though, I'd really like to know. | ||
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Kaniol
Poland5551 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:29 StuffedTurkey wrote: i just went into a practice game to confirm every 3rd wave..i confirmed it..but i apparently fail at printscreen and got a black image instead of the game:p so no proof! lol You can't past shots from lol, you press f12 (or f10?) and they appear in the League of Legends \ game folder. TGA format | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 22 2010 05:22 Crucifix wrote: Show me 2600 gold vs a good oponnent on a lane in 10 minutes by You, I'd love to see that. We've done it against some big-name players lolol. | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:18 Southlight wrote: We've done it against some big-name players lolol. we've done it lol, although i wouldn't say we consistently do it Edit: On October 22 2010 07:02 radmax86 wrote: The fact so many of you guys had to check this in a practice game makes me sad =[ TBH I only went into a practice game for the screenshots, which i failed at  I was sure it was 3 | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:21 StuffedTurkey wrote: we've done it lol, although i wouldn't say we consistently do it Edit: TBH I only went into a practice game for the screenshots, which i failed at I was sure it was 3 I think we've done it without fail every time I lane with red, but those haven't been that often as we probably should have made it. I'm not sure how much EzPz last-hits when I babysit him because he loves zoning people and I have to remind him to go farm lol. | ||
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STS17
United States1817 Posts
On October 22 2010 06:54 Mogwai wrote: having no jungler is a bad idea... but if you're doing no jungler, yes, it is a good idea and was pretty standard at the level I played before I started playing with Utah and Turkey. I'll assume this is a response to my topic change. I said not jungling (as in you aren't the jungler someone else is) wolves and golems respawn in 1:40 IIRC so presuming your jungler is starting on the opposite side of the map (i.e. at blue if you're doing golems or at golems if you're doing wolves) they will respawn before he gets to them and it doesn't interrupt their patterns, at least it never has messed with me when jungling. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 22 2010 05:22 Crucifix wrote: Show me 2600 gold vs a good oponnent on a lane in 10 minutes by You, I'd love to see that. I don't stream/record/screenshot games, but with that said I am 100% positive I've done it in 10 minutes before vs a solid group in our 5 man, thus making it my guideline. If I get it at 10 I have played almost flawlessly, if I get it earlier they more than likely made a mistake and we got kills, if I get it at 12ish(12-15?) I'm still doing fantastic at warding off their play while maximizing farm, later than that and I am the one making mistakes in my play most likely. I do know I've gotten it in 6 minutes before vs a team of 16-1700's players, obviously mistakes on their part were involved. | ||
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ProV1
United States980 Posts
Champion Select If you're running the commonly run 1-1-2 1 jungler format, then pick 2 soloers, 2 laners, and a jungler. In this format, 2 people will run solo lanes, resulting in extra farm in that lane. The jungler will go around controlling the jungle and ganking. The duo lane will get less farm, so if you put someone who needs farm in a duo lane, they will be underfarmed. This is why in the duo lane, you put people like tanks and supports. If you get denied in this lane, you will literally have no items except boots, while your enemy will have their core items done. Another reason why you want strong laners in this lane, is because most people have their duo lane as bot, and bot is near dragon and some important neuts(red, blue). If you fail in this lane, and get denied, you get owned, and the struggle for dragon is not in your favor. The solo lanes have an exp adv and a gold adv because they don't have to share creep kills or exp with a partner. Top lane is considered the inactive farm lane. This is the lane that is farthest away from the important early game neut, dragon. Chances are, you're going to be left away from combat for a while, while mid and bot along with the jungler fight for control of bot river. Mid lane is the mobile lane. Mid has a short access to top, bot, and jungle entrances, because of its location at the center of the map. In a real game though, you only have access near dragon and jungle entrances because top and bot rivers will be warded for inc ganks. The jungler controls the jungle. Early game, they control the neuts on your side of the jungle, and the neutral neuts, baron and dragon. They also have another situational role, which is ganking. The importance of wards. They give sight. They give sight towards important neutrals, river, and entrances. Wards are very important. They prevent ganks, they give sight(Sight is important because they give you information. Information about the number of people in a certain area, which neuts are being targeted, etc. You can use these informations to fight in favorable conditions, and choose not to, or to engage.). Towers. Towers control zones on the map. First Mid tower controls river, which has baron and dragon, and entrances to enemy jungles. First Top controls Enemy red/blue and parts of that jungle, and entrance to Baron. FirstBot controls Enemy Red/blue and parts of that jungle, and entrance to Dragon. Second mid controls an entire zone outside up to outside the enemy base. Second bot gives you control of all of the bottom side of the map. Second top gives you control of the top side of the map. These advantages are mitigated if both towers on both sides are down. Gold Distribution. There is not enough Gold on Summoners Rift to farm 5 carries on a team really well. You can't run 5 carries in a game and expect them all to have Infinity's edge by the 20 min mark. Distribute gold wisely. The 2 soloes will get a higher gold income early game than the duo lane(With no kills involved, because in a real game people should play defensive when losing their lane, rather than dying.) There are 3 lanes in this game that spawn creeps and give gold, the jungle, baron and dragon, and kills/assists. Those are the sources of income from farming in this game. What I'm trying to say here is that you should not put people who need farm bot, and people who need farm the most should be the one clearing creep waves for gold. You shouldn't get too many champions that need items on a team because not all of them will get enough gold for items, and that will only result in some champions not being used to full potential. Same with exp distribution. You should not put people who need EXP in a duo lane, and people who don't need level adv to own in a solo lane. Importance of Neutrals. Blue-spam abilities, less cd, very good for poking and getting cd's and spamming abilities. Red-Free slow and extra damge. Who doesn't want a free slow. Dragon-Gives gold and extra exp that will help you towards mid game. Baron-Gives gold, exp, and a buff that helps towards pushing, and late game. If you control the red/blue on your side of the map, then you will only have the red/blue buffs on for half the time. If you control the red/blues on both sides of the map, then you can have buffs on for the whole game. Point of early game-Try to protect your zones while taking control of their zones. Level up, farm items. Killing dragon during this stage 1 or 2 times, will give you a level and item advantage towards mid game. Early game advantages are gained more by buffs than items or level. Point of mid game-Mid game starts once the first tower goes down. You just took control of a zone. Utilize the adv. Plant wards, take control of the zone's neut, use the info from the wards to engage in smart fights. Engaging in smart team fights will result in getting more gold and exp than the other team. Point of late game-IMO, late game starts once a team has the potential to do Baron. Baron can be done once your carry or somebody on your team has farmed a high cost item. Once the possibility of doing Baron appears, the entire focus of the game is centered around Baron. You don't have to do Baron. You can just take advantages gained from early and mid game to keep taking towers, and killing enemy champions until you win, but in a real game advantages gained from early and mid game won't be enough to push or win. This is where baron factors in. Baron gives your team the ability to poke/push and a exp/gold adv. Point of Strong champ pikcs-Some champs dominate in the areas of taking down towers, taking down neuts, ganking, teamfighting, lane control, etc. By picking a champ that does not do as well as another champion in certain areas, you are relying on mistakes from the enemy to gain advantages. In a real game, where people have similar levels of skill in LOL, you are pretty much relying on luck, playing a champion that is not as strong as another champion. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:27 red_ wrote: I don't stream/record/screenshot games, but with that said I am 100% positive I've done it in 10 minutes before vs a solid group in our 5 man, thus making it my guideline. If I get it at 10 I have played almost flawlessly, if I get it earlier they more than likely made a mistake and we got kills, if I get it at 12ish(12-15?) I'm still doing fantastic at warding off their play while maximizing farm, later than that and I am the one making mistakes in my play most likely. I do know I've gotten it in 6 minutes before vs a team of 16-1700's players, obviously mistakes on their part were involved. My guideline is 12-minute Soul Shroud :[ | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:02 radmax86 wrote: Really poor excuse. You have played hundreds and hundreds of games, and should have figured this out by now. Be more observant man, this is basic stuff every veteran should know. The fact so many of you guys had to check this in a practice game makes me sad =[ stop trolling us, I know you don't give a shit :p | ||
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StuffedTurkey
United States859 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:34 Mogwai wrote: stop trolling us, I know you don't give a shit :p smash's troll-dar is going off again | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
(Sarcasm detector here, although I do have 100% confidence in my farming abilities, the rest of my game can certainly use some work). | ||
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radmax86
United States437 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:17 Scamp wrote: Yeah I'm not sure how knowing the cannon comes out every third wave will help my game. If there's something I'm overlooking, though, I'd really like to know. The most obvious example would be knowing when to save your raise morale for the catapult, instead of using it on the first creep in the wave that you see. If you aren't a GP player, you can also time your trips out of the lane in between the catapult waves, to minimize your gold and experience loss. I rarely ever jungle, but I still know when the creeps spawn, and the time it takes them to respawn. Same for dragon, baron, how many melee creeps vs ranged their are, how long wards last, how much gold you get from towers, creeps, dragon, etc. All of this stuff really isn't that important, but if after hundreds of games if you haven't figured out simple shit like this, it makes me question other parts of your game like map awareness, and your ability to itemize based on your observations of how a particular game is going. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:41 red_ wrote: Basically what we're trying to say guys, is that I am a better farmer than Milkfat. I'm sort of a big deal. (Sarcasm detector here, although I do have 100% confidence in my farming abilities, the rest of my game can certainly use some work). So youre kinda famous? do you make youtube videos? do you have your own clan with legions of salivating fanboys chasing after you? | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:46 arb wrote: So youre kinda famous? do you make youtube videos? do you have your own clan with legions of salivating fanboys chasing after you? Ya, like when Flash came out of the huge 747 for that Korean Air OSL a few seasons back, well my life is like that, except less asian. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:46 arb wrote: So youre kinda famous? do you make youtube videos? do you have your own clan with legions of salivating fanboys chasing after you? Pssh, Uta needs to upload more videos so everyone can see their Sona Kayle lane. It's #1 pro. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On October 22 2010 07:53 HazMat wrote: Pssh, Uta needs to upload more videos so everyone can see their Sona Kayle lane. It's #1 pro. Can i safely assume you dont get the reference? >_> | ||
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