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Fruscainte
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:17 Fruscainte wrote: Anyone got an idea on how to use Fiddlestick's ult effectively? >>> He's most effective when people are baited into him ;p It's gonna require some coordination and some good positioning by you - there's no real easy way to do it. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:23 Mogwai wrote: I think one of the biggest things with fiddle is to not rely on the ult that much. New fiddle players tend to fixate on it and rush it in teamfights. IMO, the best Fiddles tend to get a lot of value out of dark winding in teamfights and then once hell breaks lose, you just sorta slip to the back of the teamfight, wait for opposing CCs to be on CD and then ult in for massive cleanup. I'll add in that there're going to be teamfights where you don't get the opportunity to use it at all. Don't fret too much about it  Edit: By which I mean, sometimes it's a lot more important to cast DW and Fear someone first, than to stand there for two seconds and whiff. Damage is nice but there's no need to force the issue. Essentially what Mog said, but I do see people cast DW, Fear, then immediately attempt to ult without regard to positioning etc. If you have to cast DW, Fear, then run to keep up and maintain position, so be it. It's better to have the ult when you need it than to whiff or have minimal impact and not have it when you could score a chain of kills. | ||
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Fruscainte
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suffeli
Finland772 Posts
Randuin's Omen 2925 +300 Health +90 Armor +25 Health Regen per 5 sec. UNIQUE Passive: 15% Cooldown Reduction and 20% chance on being hit to slow the attacker's movement and attack speeds by 25% for 3 seconds. UNIQUE Active: Slows movement speeds and attack speeds of surrounding units by 35% for 1 second + 0.5 seconds for each 100 Armor and Magic Resist. 60 second cooldown. Sunfire Cape 2510 +450 Health +45 Armor Passive: Deals 40 Magic Damage a second to nearby enemies. Cape is about the same cost, but it has more health and half the armor. Omen has also health regen, cooldown reduction, and a decent active debuff. Imho the aura damage that cape gives off is kinda... blahh... it is really small since champs get MR when they lvl up. | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On June 28 2010 17:55 gtrsrs wrote: i want to re-double the sentiments that shen is not the top tank IMO it's rammus > amumu > whoever for pure tanking but shen isn't a *pure* tank, he serves a much better role as a secondary tank/support hero shen is my main and i am going to again throw out the claim that i'm the best shen on TL, and the way to play him is not as a pure damage soaking beast. he's a great ganker with ghost/blue buff because of the low c/d of his taunt and the absolutely beastly damage of vorpal. additionally, he is amazing as a roaming/pushing (hear me out! he obviously is terrible at killing creeps and is not sivir/heimer but he can threaten empty lanes and towers) hero because he can teleport to (a)help a teammate who's overextended or (b)punish enemy champs who have overextended the thing that differentiates a good shen from a bad shen is their usage of their ult tbqh. a bad shen will TP to an ally the moment he or she gets in trouble. now instead of ganking your teammate they turn and run. good waste of your ult chief, have fun while for the next two minutes you have no map control. a GOOD shen will tell their teammate to turn and fight, focusing the squishy, and TP in at literally the last second, hesitate for another second, and use their taunt. the enemies will be confused and overcommitted. unable to run, they're forced to pummel shen's low-health ally who all of the sudden has an extra 400-750 damage soaking ability. as soon as that shield is down, shen taunts, giving his ally the opportunity to finish the fight or run and let shen take care of it. as i said, shen is by no means a pure tank, and if he was he certainly wouldn't be as good at it as amumu/rammus. you don't want to just stand there and take damage from the start of the fight to the end, you'll get wiped out in a flash. listen to shen's quotes - "A demonstration of superior judgment." as a good shen player you need to be the judge of when the enemy has committed to a kill. let your teammate soak up some damage and return it, THEN come in to save the day when the enemy no longer has the option to give up the chase; your team will get to heal when they press the 'b' button after surviving the battle, and they might end up with 4 shiny stacks on their sword of the occult for your services. a good shen also knows when his teammate has foolishly gotten himself stuck between 2 towers and 4 enemies, and refuses to waste his ult trying to save this lost cause. use your head: your 1-6-4 Yi isn't worth saving if it means that you (3-0-12, with 10 leviathan stacks) die in the process. following this line of thought, however, shen's tanking abilities all but disappear lategame. the burst damage of 4 level 18 heroes will just demolish your ult, smash through your feint, and wreck your teammates. hopefully you've got a TRUE tank like rammus/amumu/alistar/malphite who can legitimately take a beating, or at least pray that you've exerted your will over the other team early enough to cripple their farming ability so they have to surrender before their kog'maw is hitting for 400 damage every 1.1 seconds with his ult tl;dr lrn2playShen Dude how can you say you're the best Shen on teamliquid? You should at least hit lvl 30 and play in some of the inhouse tourneys before making a claim like that. I remember I thought I was a very good Shen and then Gozey just straight up out played me as Shen in the tourney. I mean, I don't want to sound mean but iirc your win/loss as Shen is the same as mine (61-36?) and I'm not even a good Shen. And bout jungle Shen being a waste, I disagree. Yes, he is a great laner but if you have no one on your team who jungles and you have a champion who can hold a 1v2, it's worth getting the 2nd solo lane, even if you're wasting Shen's "Amazing Laning." Ps: Have you gotten a quadra with shen yet  | ||
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briann
United States121 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:31 Shizuru~ wrote: does warmogs armor, creep/hero kill bonus stacks if u buy 2 or more? Assuming the first one isn't maxed out when you get the second, yes, every kill triggers the effect on both. On June 29 2010 00:30 suffeli wrote: Cape is about the same cost, but it has more health and half the armor. Omen has also health regen, cooldown reduction, and a decent active debuff. Imho the aura damage that cape gives off is kinda... blahh... it is really small since champs get MR when they lvl up. Straight armor does nothing against ability damage, which is "the" huge threat particularly early in the game. It's a lot more useful to have 1800 hp and, 100 armor, and 60 MR than it is to have 1350 HP, 140 armor, 60 MR, and a 1.5-second debuff. Edit: On June 29 2010 00:32 briann wrote: Is Locket Cho effective now? i hear that toggling E counts towards a spell cast so if he used that a lot he would gain insane AOE healing/mana restoration. lol, god, WTB hotfix plz -_- | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: Or Sion. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:46 HazMat wrote: AD or Armor penetration marks for ezreal? Damage runes are generally not very good unless there's something you're trying to do with them early-game. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:46 Southlight wrote: How did they possibly screw this up? It's not the first toggle skill they have, why didn't they just copy the code from Ashe? ~_~ Edit: Or Sion. Hurry up and play Kassadin laning with Cho while the bug's still around! | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
p.s. I fucking hate AD ezreal, and yea Southlight, I don't care, you were right all along, can we get over the "I told you so" phase :p. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:46 Juicyfruit wrote: Hurry up and play Kassadin laning with Cho while the bug's still around! O GOD THAT IS HOT. Except that Kassadin's mana won't hold; he still needs Soraka to dominate T_T Edit: I was just saying "I told you so" because you were complaining that they buffed it, and I pointed out that when I mentioned it back then no one believed me - it was a case of very few having abused it to its fullest extent. Edit2: Oddly enough, Turkey was pretty dominating with AD Ezreal a couple months back, and making Sheen never occurred to him (or to any of us who were premading with him). looooool. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 29 2010 00:31 HazMat wrote: Dude how can you say you're the best Shen on teamliquid? You should at least hit lvl 30 and play in some of the inhouse tourneys before making a claim like that. I remember I thought I was a very good Shen and then Gozey just straight up out played me as Shen in the tourney. I mean, I don't want to sound mean but iirc your win/loss as Shen is the same as mine (61-36?) and I'm not even a good Shen. And bout jungle Shen being a waste, I disagree. Yes, he is a great laner but if you have no one on your team who jungles and you have a champion who can hold a 1v2, it's worth getting the 2nd solo lane, even if you're wasting Shen's "Amazing Laning." Ps: Have you gotten a quadra with shen yet i can say i'm the best shen because i never lose when i'm shen, i've been playing with strictly level 30's since i was level 13, totally gimped by mastery and rune deprivation (i'm 27 now and still only have a couple runes, and STILL i never lose). i've had other high level TLers play with me and say i'm the best shen they've seen, and i've played with other high level TLers who have played shen (one said shen was his main -_-) and they just embarrass me anyways most of the people on TL who are generally stated as "elite" won't bother to play with me yet, as i'm not level 30 yet - and i can't blame them, i rarely want to play with someone lower than level 30 either. and yeah my w/l as shen isn't totally dominant (right now i think it's 86-50?) but take into account that i started playing LoL about a month ago and so a good portion of my first few games were me getting into the hero etc etc. anyways i'm always down to back up my claim, i honestly haven't seen anyone, on my team or any other team, play a shen that impresses me; yep i've got a quadra and it would have been a penta if our kennen hadn't sniped one of them  in regards to the jungling - here's my thoughts. i play with a buddy who plays a really good akali, and is very comfortable taking a 1v2 lane. when i go jungle shen, he gets a little more experience but rarely any kills until level 6. shen is definitely not a FAST jungler, even moreso with the vorpal nerf (and take in mind, yes i am hurt by lack of full runepage and masteries so maybe jungle shen is just the best thing since sliced bread with a good set-up) but i eventually hit 6 and i'm ready to roll. on the other hand, laning as shen, i get first blood 70+% of the time, and 20% of the time it's a double kill for first blood. FREQUENTLY, my akali and i will get double first blood, stay in lane, be level 3 before the enemy champs get back to lane (lest they have teleport), and since neither of our champs are pushers, we're in great position to just kill them immediately again. if they push the lane, shen taunts them into the tower, gg that's a kill. even though we're sharing experience, our total lane domination is more than making up for it IMO those are just my thoughts | ||
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