EPTi should have been suspicious, when there are evelynn guides on leaguecraft named like "Evelynn, The Widowmaker, how to make the most of nothing at all" ...
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Corvi
Germany1406 Posts
i should have been suspicious, when there are evelynn guides on leaguecraft named like "Evelynn, The Widowmaker, how to make the most of nothing at all" ... | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 26 2010 10:49 pokeyAA wrote: Too bad you didn't have to play it haha. Me and blitz were just sitting there hating life for the first 10 minutes. I managed to silence heim a few times when he went forward to nade the turret, made a little game out of it haha. Too bad? Thank god I ran away and jungled. F THAT SHIT. Edit: I mean, I wanted to come gank, but I was like I don't think we have enough damage to punch through all that shit, especially if TF teleports in >_< | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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so i jungle as warwick and literally every time my ult is up i try to get a gank going my partners are clueless, don't pay attention to anything.. repeatedly wander too far out and get ganked, despite me telling them over and over they are about to get ganked and then they all gang up on me and tell me it's my fault we lost because i jungled rather than helping them (which i actually tried to help them every opportunity i could, i just wasn't interested in wandering way far out and getting ganked horribly with them) so they have like no items, and are lvl 13 when im lvl 17 and all the opponents are 18. yeah it's my fault that 3 of them wandered over to one of their turrets to die over and over and over while i repeatedly said that it was retarded and they were about to die i don't even think they understand how jungling helps the team ugh lol. time for a break i think | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
it gets better as you climb the ELO ladder, that or premake | ||
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ProdT
United States170 Posts
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G0dly
United States450 Posts
On June 26 2010 11:51 travis wrote: this game can be so frustrating sometimes so i jungle as warwick and literally every time my ult is up i try to get a gank going my partners are clueless, don't pay attention to anything.. repeatedly wander too far out and get ganked, despite me telling them over and over they are about to get ganked and then they all gang up on me and tell me it's my fault we lost because i jungled rather than helping them (which i actually tried to help them every opportunity i could, i just wasn't interested in wandering way far out and getting ganked horribly with them) so they have like no items, and are lvl 13 when im lvl 17 and all the opponents are 18. yeah it's my fault that 3 of them wandered over to one of their turrets to die over and over and over while i repeatedly said that it was retarded and they were about to die i don't even think they understand how jungling helps the team ugh lol. time for a break i think yeah it's frustrating. I go on losing streaks b/c I get crappy teammates over and over sometimes. Thankfully I found some ppl I know irl who play and they are pretty reliable. I mostly play with them now. | ||
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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
On June 26 2010 12:01 ProdT wrote: Godamn what the hell is up with Master Yi? I played chogoth and did really well in shutting him down early game, we enter midgame and he has a few items and he still gets shutdown relatively well, and then suddenly late game I cant do shit to him to protect my teammates and he focuses them and cant be slowed and its like...what am I supposed to do? I can try to stun but chogoths stun has a slight delay and he just jets on out of there, theres literally nothing I can do to protect my teammates from yi. I autoattack him the whole time, try to silence (although thats relatively uselss since he does melee dps), but he has lifesteal and just destroys our support and squishies and then when everyones dead thier team kills me. Ridiculous. just eat him? he cant have that much hp. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On June 26 2010 12 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:00 pokeyAA wrote: yup, you get stragglers, people who refuse to team fight, people who run out and farm all game, teammates who run away 2v2 at full health as the opponents are chasing you down and dont even attempt to help, etc etc it gets better as you climb the ELO ladder, that or premake You have to chain stun/lift(like jannas gale) him with your team, or have someone exhaust. If you don't have enough stuns, or don't have exhausts, Master Yi is going to destroy you lategame. Then again, every team should have stuns, so tell your team to pick decent champions. Like if you have Tristana, Garen, Nunu, Gangplank or a team like that, a decently good Master Yi is pretty much going to get a pentakill in every lategame teamfight. That's just how he works, he counters slows(and he's probably the best Ashe-counter in the game), but he dies really fast if you focus him. Oh right, and Exhaust makes him entirely useless as well. On June 26 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 11 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:51 travis wrote: this game can be so frustrating sometimes so i jungle as warwick and literally every time my ult is up i try to get a gank going my partners are clueless, don't pay attention to anything.. repeatedly wander too far out and get ganked, despite me telling them over and over they are about to get ganked and then they all gang up on me and tell me it's my fault we lost because i jungled rather than helping them (which i actually tried to help them every opportunity i could, i just wasn't interested in wandering way far out and getting ganked horribly with them) so they have like no items, and are lvl 13 when im lvl 17 and all the opponents are 18. yeah it's my fault that 3 of them wandered over to one of their turrets to die over and over and over while i repeatedly said that it was retarded and they were about to die i don't even think they understand how jungling helps the team ugh lol. time for a break i think You might not think so, but at low-mid elo jungling is an absolute no-no. It requires a good team-setup with 2 possible soloes, one of which should be able to 1v2. Even though your team most likely was awful, you really can't jungle as Warwick and expect it to work in those kinds of games. On June 26 2010 12 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 12 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:13 Repok wrote: just eat him? he cant have that much hp. It's about 1800 at lvl 18 and he'll most likely have a bloodthirster or starks, making his lifesteal give him extreme survivability if you have no ways of disabling him. Yi is the best pentakiller in the game if you don't have a stun or a blind. On June 26 2010 06 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 06 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:43 Marradron wrote: is mana regen is quite nice too now. And also kill with q is 10 AP i think 5 for q and 5 from the passive q part. You get 6 ap from it if it's lvl 5, 5 from the passive and 1 from the skill. On June 26 2010 06 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 06 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:58 shawster wrote: ult change is terrible 300 ap = +240 damage. thats the same as a guy having 1k mana pre-patch, casters have 1.5k mana and tanks/dps have 700~ mana. this is a huge nerf to his ulti and a kick in the balls There are tanks and casters that don't have mana at all, Shen and Kennen for instance. Also, the cooldown is significantly reduced, I think. And I was still dealing 50-70% of the hp of any ap-based champion. Although I do agree that it might need some adjusting like increasing the AP ratio. 0.8 is really low. Alternatively returning the mana gain on kill would be wonderful. On June 26 2010 07 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 26 2010 07 end_of_the_skype_highlighting:35 Southlight wrote: The problem is that if you're going to try to balance his damage output including his ult at level 6 and 11, you have to make Meteor really hard hitting, because instead of doing some 800 damage with his ult against casters it does like 300, and his meteor does like 200 and his q (which you'd have to not work on in order to get a decent stun) would be like 80, and so now not only are you able to do a two-shot potshot to snipe someone you're forced to sit there and cast every which spell, and level every which spell because his stun still scales: 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 seconds. Edit: I'm sure his late, late game power, with the improved ability to land Meteor and his drawing upon AP makes him hit certain targets harder, but IMO with the whacked passive (that used to give him at least a hundred AP easily) and the conditional ult it'll take a LONG time and a lot of target-picking before the ult becomes hard-hitting. At which point you're banking on the meteor to carry you. Except Veigar's problem was never about the late-game, and was never about non-mana targets (esp cuz in the previous patch they made it do like a bonus 100/200/300 damage or something to no-mana targets), it was and is his terrible lane control and how ungodly long it takes for him to "carry" by killing all of one target. And in that regard it's quite obvious he's regressed because the passive and ult change is not trumped by being able to actually land the meteor. Edit2: For example, even with nothing but Rylai on Anivia, the old Veigar was very close to two-shotting me on the back of brilliance elixiring his ult, doing 300 damage, having a 1.2 AP ratio, and doing an extra 300 something damage because I had over 1000 mana, and robbing 16 AP from me. That is incredibly scary, and while the unfortunate fact was that he was only effective against hardcore casters like Anivia and Annie and such, he was still amazing at being that threat. By contrast, now in an equal situation he would do all of like 500 damage with his ult, and that's being generous, because that's implying he has like 200+ AP at a stage where I have only a Rylai. Does a stronger meteor (360+1) offset the fact that his ult does so much less damage? And even in the above Veigar vs Anivia example that's assuming that I don't conveniently cleanse out of his EH and fuck him over until his cooldown. And remember, because he's had to level Meteor, and buff his stun duration, his Q is really weak, so the damage "gain" of switching from just hitting Q to hitting both E and W (more mana expenditure!) is pretty pitiful, if you think about it. You ALWAYS max Q by lvl 9, your build is awful. The increased ap gain and reduced cooldown is absolutely necessary for your earlygame. Lvl 1 E is enough for a guaranteed W if they don't have merc treads. You need lvl 2-3 E if they do have a pair of those. Most of W's damage comes from the AP anyway, and your early game isn't supposed to be based around ganking, so I think it'd be possible to even get lvl 3 E off just a lvl 1 W(with maxed Q of course). The mana regen is absolutely wonderful for Veigar and makes his AP go a lot higher with the increased ability to spam Q in the laning phase. I also rush a tear of the goddess into a Zhonya and then Archangel into Rylai. Veigar's farming is even better than it used to be and you have nearly infinite mana, and in addition to that every time your ulti is up, you're able to 1-hit gimp anything that's not a tank(Yeah, even non-ap carries get destroyed by your combo if they have no cleanse, simply because of W's faster cast speed). Veigar got buffed a lot, and I've had over 700 ap in about 35 minutes in both of the games I played. Of course, only played this new Veigar for a day, but the insane mana problems that were the thing that hurt him the most are now gone, and that's gigantic. | ||
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
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rredtooth
5464 Posts
On June 26 2010 13:49 Brees wrote: defocus played a decent veigar.im glad your opponents are letting you farm in lane, but that doesnt fly as you get higher. every veigar has still been garbage in my games, absolutely no lane presence. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On June 26 2010 14:41 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Brees what's your shaco strat? I was checking your profile and I see a lot of high kill ap shaco games running mejais, which i had always thought was pretty dangerous on shaco. usually start by getting golem and then controlling lane with that ( i dont even get deceive until level 5, just spam jitb then shiv while they get feared) which establishes lane control and gets your lane partner comfortable since you wont be doing much farming. as soon as im lvl 6 golem is usually up again and ill have mejai's. take golem again, start ganking. after that it just turns into controlling all the buffs (which is pretty important) and making it so that no one on their team even dares to try to farm/jungle alone. by then you've gained map control and even the biggest downies can figure it from there. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On June 26 2010 15:12 Brees wrote: usually start by getting golem and then controlling lane with that ( i dont even get deceive until level 5, just spam jitb then shiv while they get feared) which establishes lane control and gets your lane partner comfortable since you wont be doing much farming. as soon as im lvl 6 golem is usually up again and ill have mejai's. take golem again, start ganking. after that it just turns into controlling all the buffs (which is pretty important) and making it so that no one on their team even dares to try to farm/jungle alone. by then you've gained map control and even the biggest downies can figure it from there. I was curious about opening doran's ring, it seemed pretty interesting. Thanks for the strat, I'll try it out. | ||
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Trok67
France384 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On June 26 2010 11:51 travis wrote: this game can be so frustrating sometimes so i jungle as warwick and literally every time my ult is up i try to get a gank going my partners are clueless, don't pay attention to anything.. repeatedly wander too far out and get ganked, despite me telling them over and over they are about to get ganked and then they all gang up on me and tell me it's my fault we lost because i jungled rather than helping them (which i actually tried to help them every opportunity i could, i just wasn't interested in wandering way far out and getting ganked horribly with them) so they have like no items, and are lvl 13 when im lvl 17 and all the opponents are 18. yeah it's my fault that 3 of them wandered over to one of their turrets to die over and over and over while i repeatedly said that it was retarded and they were about to die i don't even think they understand how jungling helps the team ugh lol. time for a break i think You should have que dodged and played with us  I know what you mean, I was solo quing as Shaco earlier. I go jungle and my teammates keep bitching at me for jungling because ashe couldn't hold the 1v2 (Even though she never died, and turret never got pushed) I ended up going 16-3 that game and soloing baron 3 times. We even came back from 3 inhibs down due to my back-dooring and a sick quadra kill from kog'mow. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On June 26 2010 15:20 Trok67 wrote: Veigar was bad before the patch and he is even worse now, no doubt about that I disagree, he's not any worse now, those were actually pretty significant buffs as long as you don't play him thinking he's the same. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Edit: That was my 3000th post. Bask in the glory of the sarcasm. I suppose it exemplifies my posting :x | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
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