EPTchanging the focus from mana to AP makes some level of sense, but the execution is terrible.
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
changing the focus from mana to AP makes some level of sense, but the execution is terrible. | ||
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Nafaltar
Germany302 Posts
On June 25 2010 23:39 Mogwai wrote: oh balls, I forgot the armor formulas and made an ass of myself, lol. In essence you are still right about no diminishing returns though: if 100 armour gives 50% dmg reduction you artificially gain +100% hitpoints. Now if as you mistakenly said 200 armour gave 75% dmg reduction you would get another +200% hitpoints for 100 armour, which is twice the original amount meaning armour would get stronger. The expected damage reduction for no diminishing returns on armour would be 33.333%, for a total of +200% "artificial hitpoints vs physical". And lo and behold, thats the exact number we come up with. So basically 1 armor = +1% of baselife vs Physical damage. | ||
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Yiruru
Canada690 Posts
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Trok67
France384 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:33 Yiruru wrote: Veigar was buffed -a lot- simply due to the reduced cast time on meteor. Now he can actually land the spell mid-game instead of needing level 3+ on Event Horizon to land it. He still gets royally shafted by cleanse though. I don't think this buff is that huge, you still need event horizon to cast meteor as you did need it before. Without event horizon you still can't use meteor so there is no big change. The combo is just a bit easier to use. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:41 Trok67 wrote: I don't think this buff is that huge, you still need event horizon to cast meteor as you did need it before. Without event horizon you still can't use meteor so there is no big change. The combo is just a bit easier to use. is mana regen is quite nice too now. And also kill with q is 10 AP i think 5 for q and 5 from the passive q part. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
http://www.wcg.com/6th/fun/news/news_view.asp?keyno=C10062210002 | ||
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
300 ap = +240 damage. thats the same as a guy having 1k mana pre-patch, casters have 1.5k mana and tanks/dps have 700~ mana. this is a huge nerf to his ulti and a kick in the balls | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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ProdT
United States170 Posts
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Trok67
France384 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:43 Marradron wrote: is mana regen is quite nice too now. And also kill with q is 10 AP i think 5 for q and 5 from the passive q part. I think the mana regen goes into the right direction, but isnt really revelant. Anyway Veigar need much more to be playable again, and the huge ulti nerf doesnt help. Guess I will continue playing Annie. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
 I was 24-12 and now im 28-29 >< Probably a lot of that is my suckiness with pantheon and my determination to get better. At least I hit my stride with Veigar. I really need to buy Annie as I was best with her (tho that was when I 1st started and played lower level players).What are peoples feelings about Karthus? I think he looks cool and I like his abilities but I have yet to play him, wondering if I should save up or just buy Annie since she is very solid. Edit: As to Veigar, now he seems more like a support/finisher. Last few games I rack up a few kills but massive amounts of assists in team fights with Horizon plus meteors and my ulti can still pack a punch but not until you get some items. Pairing him with a melee has kicked some ass in my brief experience with him. | ||
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sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 26 2010 06:33 Yiruru wrote: Veigar was buffed -a lot- simply due to the reduced cast time on meteor. Now he can actually land the spell mid-game instead of needing level 3+ on Event Horizon to land it. He still gets royally shafted by cleanse though. The problem is that if you're going to try to balance his damage output including his ult at level 6 and 11, you have to make Meteor really hard hitting, because instead of doing some 800 damage with his ult against casters it does like 300, and his meteor does like 200 and his q (which you'd have to not work on in order to get a decent stun) would be like 80, and so now not only are you able to do a two-shot potshot to snipe someone you're forced to sit there and cast every which spell, and level every which spell because his stun still scales: 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 seconds. Edit: I'm sure his late, late game power, with the improved ability to land Meteor and his drawing upon AP makes him hit certain targets harder, but IMO with the whacked passive (that used to give him at least a hundred AP easily) and the conditional ult it'll take a LONG time and a lot of target-picking before the ult becomes hard-hitting. At which point you're banking on the meteor to carry you. Except Veigar's problem was never about the late-game, and was never about non-mana targets (esp cuz in the previous patch they made it do like a bonus 100/200/300 damage or something to no-mana targets), it was and is his terrible lane control and how ungodly long it takes for him to "carry" by killing all of one target. And in that regard it's quite obvious he's regressed because the passive and ult change is not trumped by being able to actually land the meteor. Edit2: For example, even with nothing but Rylai on Anivia, the old Veigar was very close to two-shotting me on the back of brilliance elixiring his ult, doing 300 damage, having a 1.2 AP ratio, and doing an extra 300 something damage because I had over 1000 mana, and robbing 16 AP from me. That is incredibly scary, and while the unfortunate fact was that he was only effective against hardcore casters like Anivia and Annie and such, he was still amazing at being that threat. By contrast, now in an equal situation he would do all of like 500 damage with his ult, and that's being generous, because that's implying he has like 200+ AP at a stage where I have only a Rylai. Does a stronger meteor (360+1) offset the fact that his ult does so much less damage? And even in the above Veigar vs Anivia example that's assuming that I don't conveniently cleanse out of his EH and fuck him over until his cooldown. And remember, because he's had to level Meteor, and buff his stun duration, his Q is really weak, so the damage "gain" of switching from just hitting Q to hitting both E and W (more mana expenditure!) is pretty pitiful, if you think about it. | ||
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Aukai
United States1183 Posts
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
On June 26 2010 08:09 Aukai wrote: I don't know if anyone cares but I was playing a 3v3 last night as garen and there seemed to be a small hidden nerf, his Q used to reset his autoswing timer so you could swing twice in a row if you timed it, but now this seems to not be the case, it waits until your next regular auto attack. Guinsoo is looking into that iirc, i think its a bug | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
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sleeepy
Canada777 Posts
I start mana crystal and health pots (can change to health crystal if you're got mana regen runes) catalyst tabi aegis finish banshee sunfire sunfire or GA sunfire For skills its EQEWER then R>E>W=Q (I usually alternate leveling these) You're a great laner, excellent chaser, good support to carries with aegis + W and good at initiating after you get banshees. Try him out! | ||
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Kaneh
Canada737 Posts
ring boots tear rylai archangel luxury items kog actually uses very little mana if you're not spamming his ult, so no need for chalice, ring + tear covers it, archangel provides some hefty regen. In a battle, the +mana from archangel helps alot more. rylai is like, self evident. 2000 range aoe slows lol. seen people try anti-tank AS/bloodrazor, but... who the hell cares about killing tanks. and he'll lose to every other real dps and doesn't provide anything else special (lol no mana for ult) | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Heimer + Soraka lane so boring. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
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