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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
The build I've been going is like: Amp Tome -> soulstealer Merc Treads or Sorc Shoes Tear of the Goddess Rod of Ages Tear of the Goddess -> Archangel's Staff Zhonya's Lich Bane Anyone got any suggestions on stuff I should change? I'm relatively new to playing veigar but he's so much fun to play now that he's more viable. | ||
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gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
On June 27 2010 01:39 oberon wrote: I agree with archangel and zhonya, but no rylai? The health probably isn't great on him, since if enemies are really hitting him he's toast anyway, but the slow on his ult seems really excellent... In other news, my last game featured a mid matchup of Veigar vs. Kassadin -- two anti-caster casters. The first time either of them died, they both killed eachother. yeah rylai's wouldn't be terrible on him but honestly the one game i played with him i just chose to max ap as absolutely high as i could... so after my zhonya's i went another zhonya's lol. by the end of the game i was hitting most of them for literally a fifth to a quarter of their health with a well placed ult | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 27 2010 01:45 -orb- wrote: I've been really enjoying the new veigar in the couple games I've had a chance to play as him since the patch (been so busy with work t_t). I'm probably going to start playing him a lot and have him become one of my mains. The build I've been going is like: Amp Tome -> soulstealer Merc Treads or Sorc Shoes Tear of the Goddess Rod of Ages Tear of the Goddess -> Archangel's Staff Zhonya's Lich Bane Anyone got any suggestions on stuff I should change? I'm relatively new to playing veigar but he's so much fun to play now that he's more viable. Deathfire Grasp scales with AP, which Veigar gets a ton of. I'd consider going for that first, before (or instead of) Archangel's. Also, Rylai's gives you a snare and HP, it's a great all around item for casters. | ||
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-orb-
United States5770 Posts
On June 27 2010 01:51 Zato-1 wrote: Deathfire Grasp scales with AP, which Veigar gets a ton of. I'd consider going for that first, before (or instead of) Archangel's. Also, Rylai's gives you a snare and HP, it's a great all around item for casters. That's a good point. Often I remember there being times where I'd be running from champs while my stun was on CD and except for summoner spells I had like no way to get away. Since Q is on such a short CD with rylai's I could probably use that to make getting away a lot easier (and chasing as well ofc) I've also heard a bunch about the triple doran's ring into zhonya's build (I think it was when I was playing with radjacob/soloside/etc and they were talking about it), I wonder if that'd be good. I'll need to experiment. | ||
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
Items, i start with pendent, 1 health pot, 1 mana pot then the HP regen item that comes shortly from pendent or fiendish if the other team has a lot of tanks. If i have like 1100 ill get my sorc boots for 20 spell pen which is great early game. Then soul stealer, then you can get rod of ages for mix of hp/AP, or ryla for the slowing ability and some AP, or death fire if theres a tank giving your team trouble. Zhonya's is a great item for veigar cuz its all AP and he loooves AP. Basically just stack more HP and AP. You dont really need tear, he has plenty of mana, more important to stack AP with your inventory spaces. The 40% spell pen scepter is good as a last item. Spells, i go clarity+ghost and i have a lot of success with those. I spam Q for last hits early game and use clarity as i need it. The AP builds up quickly when you max Q first. Ghost is great for dashing to set up a stun+darkmatter+baleful+ult combo. Flash is alright but its just a short distance i find ghost much more useful. Teleport is an option. Mastery, im only lvl 21 but i go 9/0/12 the 9 going to spell pen, then the 12 mostly for cooldown reduction and ghost. runes, probably just want ap runes based on lvl (for late game) with 2 sets (whichever you get most from) then mana for early game with the other set, AP Quins Im no pro but i have a 2.5/1 ratio with veigar with like 30/20 wins. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
1) L30 with 2 full, diverse rune pages. You can be plenty good and not have these, but it's just a pure handicap. 2) Not THAT much better than me. There are plenty of TLers who are way better than me; I'm not interested in just being carried. 3) Main at least 3 champs. Being really good with one champ is great right now, but it won't work in season 1. 4) Have Vent and a mic. Communication is key in premades. 5) No raging. Playing together means losing together -- you have to be able to forgive mistakes and let lost games go. PM me if interested. Including your mains would be helpful. I'm probably not the only one looking to get a team together...do we want some sort of organized TL team-making thing? | ||
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rredtooth
5461 Posts
picked up that game to play during que since snowflake ruined it. now i'm more addicted to that. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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shawster
Canada2485 Posts
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 27 2010 04:26 shawster wrote: i just can't see archangels being a good item on kogmaw. rod of ages/banshees seems sooo much butter but w/e i guess i should play him before giving an opinion. Archangels lets you spam his ult a lot | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
There's gotta be something I'm missing.. it says it does 20% of the target's maximum health but it never seems like it does that much to me. I've been having a lot of problems with making warwick useful late game.. it seems like they just target me and I die instantly. At most I hope to kill one enemy before I die. | ||
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ghen
United States1356 Posts
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 27 2010 06:07 travis wrote: I've been having a lot of problems with making warwick useful late game.. it seems like they just target me and I die instantly. At most I hope to kill one enemy before I die. I don't remember how Q works, but... That's the problem with most melee heroes in this game. It's really hard to balance damage output versus survival, and Warwick is notoriously bad when it comes to survival. He's got a relevance time period between around level 3 to level 12, and then he starts falling off at a really fast pace, so your team needs to abuse his relevancy and try to extend as much of an advantage as possible. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On June 27 2010 06:11 ghen wrote: Chat server blew up again ARGHHH fuuuu I want to play  | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 27 2010 06:14 Southlight wrote: I don't remember how Q works, but... That's the problem with most melee heroes in this game. It's really hard to balance damage output versus survival, and Warwick is notoriously bad when it comes to survival. He's got a relevance time period between around level 3 to level 12, and then he starts falling off at a really fast pace, so your team needs to abuse his relevancy and try to extend as much of an advantage as possible. Maybe I should just run around to other lanes trying to counter their pushes with my own pushes? I am starting to think my build is all wrong, and that people giving advice of AS are dumb. I think I should be going attack damage to try for insta kills with my ult + Q. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On June 27 2010 06:21 travis wrote: Maybe I should just run around to other lanes trying to counter their pushes with my own pushes? I am starting to think my build is all wrong, and that people giving advice of AS are dumb. I think I should be going attack damage to try for insta kills with my ult + Q. Warwick's job is to jungle, soloing dragon and eventually baron, while occasionally ganking. He doesn't do much in teamfights (he's an ok chaser, I guess), so I wouldn't focus on that too much. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Oddly enough, at the moment he's trumped by Shaco when it comes to all of these things, though. Edit: On a side note, does it anyone else find it ridiculously funny that Master Yi actually sucks late-game? | ||
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Norp
United States55 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
On June 27 2010 06:42 Norp wrote: How do people generally deal with Katrina mid, with say Ashe/Trist, and to a lesser extent Ezreal. At some point between level 1-3 I get 75% of my health raped by a shunpo/bouncing blade/ignite combo, and the matchup goes downhill from there. Is it a lost cause or am I missing something? No it's just incredibly hard to deal with Katrina mid. It's hard to keep the creepkills high while having an harassing katarina on the other side. You need to practice lasthitting setups under tower for that purpose since you're gonna play passive. | ||
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