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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:05 oberon wrote: Mogwai: have you ever laned with a Corki? I've never seen Panth + Corki, but I think the double jump, double AoE/DoT combo would be pretty funny, and might lead to some early kills. Also curious if you ever tried out your jungle experiment. Corki requires farming and hogs creep - the combo is nothing special (ideally you have a double stun anyways) and it's just bad farm balance. He tried jungling but IIRC it was too slow and fucked him up. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 25 2010 01:53 Southlight wrote: They killed Soraka, and by relation Kassadin. I am fawked  now you'll just have to play one of your other 19 heroes that are all acceptable, boohoohoo On June 25 2010 02:05 oberon wrote: Mogwai: have you ever laned with a Corki? I've never seen Panth + Corki, but I think the double jump, double AoE/DoT combo would be pretty funny, and might lead to some early kills. Also curious if you ever tried out your jungle experiment. In other news: anyone tried jungle Olaf? I tried this in a practice game, and smite + W + doran's shield + health pots = lizard (though I now think golem might be better on him). I haven't seen much of Olaf at all since he was introduced, which surprises me -- he seems like a decent tank. never laned with a corki, but in theory it would burst well, mostly because of gattling shredding their armor to fucking 0 before you HSS them. honestly though, I ONLY solo and jungle with Pantheon now. I laned with a Janna the other night and even though that lane is supposedly IMBA as hell, I don't have the right temperament to play it. my game sense for low level 2v2s is just really stunted from soloing so much. jungling with panth is... awkward. I still do it just because when it hits mid game, if I'm not playing Pantheon I apparently don't play well enough for the ELO playing exclusively Pantheon has landed me in. for instance, when Elementz was on my team and I was grabbing a glass of water, I came back and he had taken Kat mid before I could call it with Panth + w/e, he's elementz, I know he's good enough to not feed there, so I ended up jungling as it was the only place that made sense for me. anyway, when you're doing it, you don't have to be as offensively specced as I originally hypothesized. my whole strategy there was to abuse the HSS bug to make HSSing through the jungle a quick and efficient way to farm it. as it turns out, just having a longsword and spearshot goes a long way as you can proc your shield a lot (the key of course being to not kill large wolves/wraiths first, so that throughout the whole fight you use your passive). so like, the way it plays out is that he's a quicker and scarier ganker than any other jungler, but his jungling speed, especially on buff creeps/dragon, isn't anything to write home about. again using the elementz game as an example, i was against WW in the jungle and because I know I can't race him, I spent a lot of money really early on wards to keep him off of golems and dragon and then just did driveby kills on pushing oposing lanes. While I did enter the mid game slightly underleveled, I had managed to screw the WW over enough and keep dragon control. So despite my bad CS, I still consider it one of my better jungle pantheon outings because of how it made the other team play. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:23 Mogwai wrote: now you'll just have to play one of your other 19 heroes that are all acceptable, boohoohoo Win rate is nothing compared to abusing Soraka/Kassadin, though. I think I have like a 90% win rate when using that combo one way or other >_< It was my "go-to" combo. On June 25 2010 02:23 Mogwai wrote: my game sense for low level 2v2s is just really stunted from soloing so much. Hahah I had that problem for so long after jungling exclusively. It's surprisingly difficult adjusting to different parts of the laning phase, like I'm no longer comfortable soloing (although I do it a lot nowadays with Ashe, but she's so strong defensively that you have a huge buffer), and when I 2v2 a lot of people hate laning with me because I'm REALLY impulsive and fast switching offense passive defense - when I'm with someone who's not on the same page we start randomly dying. Edit: Like Baikin despises laning with me, no matter how well our heroes may mesh. I play REALLY AGGRESSIVE and he plays incredibly patiently and passively. It just doesn't work out well. Turkey has trouble keeping up with my aggression too, and sometimes when we're off-kilter you get like that one game where he fed Garen 'cause he was uncomfortable trying to play as aggressive as I'm accustomed. | ||
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HeavOnEarth
United States7087 Posts
soraka's ult does shiiit now. ZZZZ | ||
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Malderon
Netherlands136 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:30 HeavOnEarth wrote: WTF soraka's ult does shiiit now. ZZZZ Would this, combined with the nerf to Locket, make RoA a better option? Since the fact that Locket no longer heals minions will significantly diminish its pushing power, at least in theory. But then, healer teams winning so hard was a bit ridiculous, so the number one question is: is Soraka still viable, or reduced to the lower tiers/crap tier? Since healer teams were so dominant before, the fact that they get nerfed somewhat shouldn't be gamebreaking for healers, at least in theory. | ||
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:27 Southlight wrote: Hahah I had that problem for so long after jungling exclusively. It's surprisingly difficult adjusting to different parts of the laning phase, like I'm no longer comfortable soloing (although I do it a lot nowadays with Ashe, but she's so strong defensively that you have a huge buffer), and when I 2v2 a lot of people hate laning with me because I'm REALLY impulsive and fast switching offense passive defense - when I'm with someone who's not on the same page we start randomly dying. Edit: Like Baikin despises laning with me, no matter how well our heroes may mesh. I play REALLY AGGRESSIVE and he plays incredibly patiently and passively. It just doesn't work out well. Turkey has trouble keeping up with my aggression too, and sometimes when we're off-kilter you get like that one game where he fed Garen 'cause he was uncomfortable trying to play as aggressive as I'm accustomed. I do the quick aggression back into passive defense a lot as well and noticed the same thing. A lot of people I run into simply feel as though they are forced to commit to an attack when they show any sign of aggression. On June 25 2010 02:05 pokeyAA wrote: we'll see south, we'll see... btw im tired of all the champions coming out being 6300 IP. Now I get to wait x amount of weeks to try the little monster dude They have to make money somehow lol. It makes sense that all the new champions are 6300IP so that people will buy RP to get them. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:43 Scorcher2k wrote: They have to make money somehow lol. It makes sense that all the new champions are 6300IP so that people will buy RP to get them. I think it's just that they're adding a lot of skillshot heroes these days. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
Oh and i do get what Riot is doing with expensive new heroes, its still annoying nonetheless that they purposely dont release the new champions as part of the free champions week. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:50 pokeyAA wrote: I am aggressive no matter what hero I play. It is both my strength and weakness lol. Thats why my Soraka is usually ahead of our tank. It's also why our Kass/Soraka combo worked (works?) so well, because we're both playing SO AGGRESSIVE but at least we both know it, and play like it, and no one's really surprised by the other player going out and risking damage to keep pressure on :p | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:38 Malderon wrote: Would this, combined with the nerf to Locket, make RoA a better option? Since the fact that Locket no longer heals minions will significantly diminish its pushing power, at least in theory. But then, healer teams winning so hard was a bit ridiculous, so the number one question is: is Soraka still viable, or reduced to the lower tiers/crap tier? Since healer teams were so dominant before, the fact that they get nerfed somewhat shouldn't be gamebreaking for healers, at least in theory. they kicked her wish AP ratio in the balls too though I dunno, might still make sense to make an AP investment, but color me skeptical of that being the right way to build her now, if she's even still worth playing. | ||
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myopia
United States2928 Posts
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Brees
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Also, mal'zahar is probably getting a nice buff next patch, they are creating a new type of CC called "suppression" which makes it so you cant do ANYTHING, even use summoner spells. so you wont be able to do anything to counter his ult except buy quicksilver sash. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
?KogMaw really that bad? I figured he'd fill in a nice ranged damage slot o_O | ||
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Scorcher2k
United States802 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
Edit: Probably also need archangel, since he burns mana with his ult. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:01 Brees wrote: kog maw is terrible btw, another identity crisis champion. Also, mal'zahar is probably getting a nice buff next patch, they are creating a new type of CC called "suppression" which makes it so you cant do ANYTHING, even use summoner spells. so you wont be able to do anything to counter his ult except buy quicksilver sash. They had to create an entirely new cc just to make him viable? ugh. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
I don't understand the ulti change. He was before a mana user slayer. Now the ulti is just a bit lame. | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On June 25 2010 02:54 Mogwai wrote: they kicked her wish AP ratio in the balls too though I dunno, might still make sense to make an AP investment, but color me skeptical of that being the right way to build her now, if she's even still worth playing. I don't understand. If they wanted to nerf soraka's healing this badly, they should at LEAST boost her infuse and starcall damage by..like..a lot. | ||
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pokeyAA
United States936 Posts
Also I never got AP with Soraka anyway, so I don't know if Wish ratio changes will affect me much, if at all. The locket changes are what concerns me lately honestly, as my Soraka was built around it. The increased CD on the locket plus no healing minions now can be a problem. | ||
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