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EZjijy
United States1039 Posts
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:11 Marradron wrote: I'll have to see about veigar. He's my main guy. I like the faster meteor and the all kill == spelpower. It would be better imo if the allkill was also for creeps and lanes. you can kill insane amounts of lanes with veigar lategame. Overall i think he needs either better survivability (better stun) or more dammige to be the nuke cannon he should be designed to be. I don't understand the ulti change. He was before a mana user slayer. Now the ulti is just a bit lame. He had 0 laning presence until level 6 before because all his mana went into farming AP. Now he has 0 laning presence period. Who's scared of a single target ulti that does 200 damage? Wtf. That new passive isn't going to keep his mana up for him to do anything besides spam more Q on minions. He gets shut down HARD during laning, is pretty much useless until level 13 or so, and is basically just a worst champ now more than ever. | ||
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radmax86
United States437 Posts
On June 24 2010 21:59 Mogwai wrote: no, with the bug it was 100% scaling on bonus damage/hit and 60% scaling on your base damage/hit if you have more base AD than bonus AD, you'll hit harder with HSS now, if you have equal base AD and bonus AD you'll hit equally hard with it and if you're bonus damage is higher, you'll hit weaker. again, net effect is pretty much nothing other than the fact that janna pantheon won't be able to burst you for 1K at level 3 Seems like a fairly significant nerf to me. HSS was bugged on creeps before, correct? | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:23 radmax86 wrote: Seems like a fairly significant nerf to me. HSS was bugged on creeps before, correct? HSS did a bunch more damage to minions when it was bugged, yeah (assuming you had some bonus damage). The extra damage vs. minions from the bug was proportionally much bigger than it was vs. champions. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
i play mid with boots 9/10 games, so to me, I suspect I will feel little to nothing. i mean, at 400 damage, it's essentially the difference between hitting champs for 396 and 356 per hit. 2K vs. 1.8K isn't that bad a nerf when we're talking that ridiculous an endgame and at lower ADs, it's a less meaningful nerf. | ||
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radmax86
United States437 Posts
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ZeaLL
Canada53 Posts
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
40%/50%/60%/70% vs. 36%/42%/48%/54% before I go back and start stacking long swords is nice. while laning, you can't afford to use HSS to farm creep, it's mostly a mid -> late game thing you use to hit creep waves to push back or quickly farm jungle camps. I dunno, maybe I underestimate how important this is, but I think I'll be totally aight with this. | ||
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ZeaLL
Canada53 Posts
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
Am I the only one who thinks Pantheon is, and has always been, pretty average? | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
should I just put that in my sig so I can stop saying it every 3rd post here/on leagueoflegends forums? I agree with you about tier 3, but that's also cause I play Panth like a boss and if I didn't think he at least had the potential to be viable, I would stop wasting my time. to be perfectly honest, I think the tier lists with fairly even spread of champions across 5 tiers are ridiculous. I think it's like, 2-3 tier 1 characters at a given time. 5-6 tier 2 characters. 5-6 tier 4 characters, 2-3 tier 5 characters and a huge fucking mass of tier 3 guys. | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
On June 25 2010 04:04 oberon wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Pantheon is, and has always been, pretty average? I think mid tier is a bit generous. He's okay as far as melee champs go- not as good as Jax, but better than Trynd / Garen. Maybe slightly worse than Olaf or AP Yi. If I had to put all champions into 6 tiers, Panth would probably land on tier 4. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
I think Pantheon is better than Jax on Summoner's Rift. | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:19 Juicyfruit wrote: He had 0 laning presence until level 6 before because all his mana went into farming AP. Now he has 0 laning presence period. Who's scared of a single target ulti that does 200 damage? Wtf. That new passive isn't going to keep his mana up for him to do anything besides spam more Q on minions. He gets shut down HARD during laning, is pretty much useless until level 13 or so, and is basically just a worst champ now more than ever. His power doesnt lie in his hard dammige. If you go for cooldown reduction and 5+ out of combat boots hes all over the place. Midgame he can push a empty lane in a matter of secconds, farm some creep and quickly carefully annoy all enemy heros with his fast nuke and now more reliable meteor. His stun + high burst dammige can assist and make for a sure kill. You have to time your spells right, and hit the right one. Perfect stunning is also required. If you manage that behail of doom. Though he's a bit squishy alone. Covered however with frozen armor he's a force to be reckoned with. Though this is al based on my veigar expiernce. That doesn't go above lvl 8 I might be a bit biased. I just love the litle mofo  I AM EVIL. STOP LAUGHTING | ||
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
On June 25 2010 03:17 Repok wrote: Wait, you want a +5 ap per minion kill? Thats like +40 per wave. No i want meteor to give +1 for each minion as well. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
On June 25 2010 04:20 Mogwai wrote: outrageous statement incoming: I think Pantheon is better than Jax on Summoner's Rift. They do different things, but because of the timeframe of when they have their impact, I think Pantheon is simply more likely to have an effect on SR games, one way or another :p | ||
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Orpheos
United States1663 Posts
On June 25 2010 04:20 Marradron wrote: Though this is al based on my veigar expiernce. That doesn't go above lvl 8 if that lvl8 is your summoner lvl, then honestly you are playing a different game than most of the people here(or at least the outspoken ones). the game completely changes once you get to higher elo games. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
at level 15, I can literally just jungle and farm as Shaco for 35 minutes straight and then start fighting people after getting starks, bloodrazors, GA, and Aegis with elixir pump going and baron/lizard/golem and just solo wipe their team. | ||
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
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KasPra
Estonia983 Posts
Ive read some Kayle guides but i usually improvise the builds and adjusting to my opponents. Btw if anyone wants to help me and own some other newbs you can me, my acc is "Skreamstreams" | ||
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