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On April 01 2011 04:40 Brees wrote:
some guy gave me a level 100 shiny latios on the negotiations for a slakoth lol, you can get really lucky if you run into the right people on there.
Latios is actually usable in competitive play so this was awesome to me, if it was mewtwo or some shit it wouldnt be nearly as cool to me since its useless.
I'm sure its a totally legit one too.
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On April 01 2011 11:05 LazyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 10:56 Dark-Storm wrote:
I cant wait to get my Hydration Vaporeon What's that?
A vaporeon with an Ability you can only get from Dream world
Each Eevee evolution has a special abiliity thats obtained through dream world
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On April 01 2011 11:17 Dark-Storm wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 11:05 LazyMacro wrote:On April 01 2011 10:56 Dark-Storm wrote:
I cant wait to get my Hydration Vaporeon What's that? A vaporeon with an Ability you can only get from Dream world Each Eevee evolution has a special abiliity thats obtained through dream world
Is this in B/W? I thought you couldn't get Eevees or their evolutions through gen. 5?
Edit: I'm trying to get a better feel for this EV/IV stuff. My Larvesta just got to level 55.
Stats gained at level up:
HP +3
Atk +3
Def +1
SpA +3
SpD +1
Spe +1
Total stats:
142
118
62
78
78
76
Nature: Mild
Ability: Flame Body (may burn on contact)
So with that information, what's important and not important?
Its ability and higher Atk makes me think physical moves would be good for applying burns.
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On April 01 2011 11:06 Ferrose wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 05:39 bumatlarge wrote:On March 31 2011 22:14 Ferrose wrote:On March 31 2011 22:12 Teton wrote:On March 31 2011 21:52 Ferrose wrote:On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.
They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though. why Blaziken? Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU. You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.> I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts... Quite imba indeed  The only legit counter I can think of is Slowbro. Or maybe Starmie. Maybe Jellicent? Those are the only Pokes I can think of that resist both of its STABs. People have suggested some LOL counters. Like Alakazam with Focus Sash, or Shell Break Carracosta with Aqua Jet. I don't know what kinda world you live in if you think that a Rock Pokemon is a counter to a Fighting Pokemon >.< Edit: I think that Azumarill could handle it, but besides countering Blaziken it's NU trash and even then you're screwed if the Sun is up D: SMOGON SHEEEPPP! IT HATH SPOILED YOUR BRAIN! "NU Trash" Is repeatedly under-appreciated. NU usually means its role and situation are to specific to rape face. Take azumarill for instance. There are much bulkier waters, and gyrados is a much better physical attacker, but it has places where you need a physical water with priority. What, Gen 5? Azumarill shines so hard in gen 5. I bet you 5000 TL cred that azumarill will easily make OU in gen 5. EASILY. I'd rather use Feraligatr. He has Aqua Jet, and ALL of his stats are better, except HP (by 15). Plus, he's an alligator. And one of my favorite Pokes :3
Yeah, sadly no.
Azumarill has solid defences and good health. Like a bulky water. What it lacks in offense is made up for by Huge Power, which doubles its Attack stat. Meaning its attack can rival any other OU. And even if it doesn't, its Attack is still high enough to warrant being bumped to OU. It sadly lacks a second STAB for coverage, and has pretty low Speed.
Also, it can learn Aqua Jet.
And Base Power is not the same as doubling the Attack stat.
@lazy, Generation V has very annoying evolutions. Larvesta has decent Attack, but its evolution, Volcarona, has a ridiculous Special Attack. Meaning you'll eventually want Special moves on the Larvesta. You see this as well on Deino into Hydreigon. Deino has higher Attack than Special Attack, but its final form has higher Special Attack than Attack.
Your best bet is to find a IV calculator, if you've kept track of your EVs that is. If you haven't, then you probably need to reset them to find its IVs. The best nature for Volcarona is Modest or Rash. Mild decreases its already low Defense stat.
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On April 01 2011 11:40 Blisse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 11:06 Ferrose wrote:On April 01 2011 05:39 bumatlarge wrote:On March 31 2011 22:14 Ferrose wrote:On March 31 2011 22:12 Teton wrote:On March 31 2011 21:52 Ferrose wrote:On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.
They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though. why Blaziken? Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU. You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.> I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts... Quite imba indeed The only legit counter I can think of is Slowbro. Or maybe Starmie. Maybe Jellicent? Those are the only Pokes I can think of that resist both of its STABs. People have suggested some LOL counters. Like Alakazam with Focus Sash, or Shell Break Carracosta with Aqua Jet. I don't know what kinda world you live in if you think that a Rock Pokemon is a counter to a Fighting Pokemon >.< Edit: I think that Azumarill could handle it, but besides countering Blaziken it's NU trash and even then you're screwed if the Sun is up D: SMOGON SHEEEPPP! IT HATH SPOILED YOUR BRAIN! "NU Trash" Is repeatedly under-appreciated. NU usually means its role and situation are to specific to rape face. Take azumarill for instance. There are much bulkier waters, and gyrados is a much better physical attacker, but it has places where you need a physical water with priority. What, Gen 5? Azumarill shines so hard in gen 5. I bet you 5000 TL cred that azumarill will easily make OU in gen 5. EASILY. I'd rather use Feraligatr. He has Aqua Jet, and ALL of his stats are better, except HP (by 15). Plus, he's an alligator. And one of my favorite Pokes :3 Yeah, sadly no. Azumarill has solid defences and good health. Like a bulky water. What it lacks in offense is made up for by Huge Power, which doubles its Attack stat. Meaning its attack can rival any other OU. And even if it doesn't, its Attack is still high enough to warrant being bumped to OU. It sadly lacks a second STAB for coverage, and has pretty low Speed. Also, it can learn Aqua Jet. And Base Power is not the same as doubling the Attack stat. @lazy, Generation V has very annoying evolutions. Larvesta has decent Attack, but its evolution, Volcarona, has a ridiculous Special Attack. Meaning you'll eventually want Special moves on the Larvesta. You see this as well on Deino into Hydreigon. Deino has higher Attack than Special Attack, but its final form has higher Special Attack than Attack. Your best bet is to find a IV calculator, if you've kept track of your EVs that is. If you haven't, then you probably need to reset them to find its IVs. The best nature for Volcarona is Modest or Rash. Mild decreases its already low Defense stat.
I just got Volcarona and its SpA is so much higher now.
What do I need to do to keep track of EVs? How do I reset them?
it sounds like I should leave my Volcarona with my Ditto at the daycare until I get a better nature. What do I do about IVs, though? like, when are its stats okay and when should I try again?
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On April 01 2011 12:07 LazyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 11:40 Blisse wrote:On April 01 2011 11:06 Ferrose wrote:On April 01 2011 05:39 bumatlarge wrote:On March 31 2011 22:14 Ferrose wrote:On March 31 2011 22:12 Teton wrote:On March 31 2011 21:52 Ferrose wrote:On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.
They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though. why Blaziken? Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU. You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.> I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts... Quite imba indeed The only legit counter I can think of is Slowbro. Or maybe Starmie. Maybe Jellicent? Those are the only Pokes I can think of that resist both of its STABs. People have suggested some LOL counters. Like Alakazam with Focus Sash, or Shell Break Carracosta with Aqua Jet. I don't know what kinda world you live in if you think that a Rock Pokemon is a counter to a Fighting Pokemon >.< Edit: I think that Azumarill could handle it, but besides countering Blaziken it's NU trash and even then you're screwed if the Sun is up D: SMOGON SHEEEPPP! IT HATH SPOILED YOUR BRAIN! "NU Trash" Is repeatedly under-appreciated. NU usually means its role and situation are to specific to rape face. Take azumarill for instance. There are much bulkier waters, and gyrados is a much better physical attacker, but it has places where you need a physical water with priority. What, Gen 5? Azumarill shines so hard in gen 5. I bet you 5000 TL cred that azumarill will easily make OU in gen 5. EASILY. I'd rather use Feraligatr. He has Aqua Jet, and ALL of his stats are better, except HP (by 15). Plus, he's an alligator. And one of my favorite Pokes :3 Yeah, sadly no. Azumarill has solid defences and good health. Like a bulky water. What it lacks in offense is made up for by Huge Power, which doubles its Attack stat. Meaning its attack can rival any other OU. And even if it doesn't, its Attack is still high enough to warrant being bumped to OU. It sadly lacks a second STAB for coverage, and has pretty low Speed. Also, it can learn Aqua Jet. And Base Power is not the same as doubling the Attack stat. @lazy, Generation V has very annoying evolutions. Larvesta has decent Attack, but its evolution, Volcarona, has a ridiculous Special Attack. Meaning you'll eventually want Special moves on the Larvesta. You see this as well on Deino into Hydreigon. Deino has higher Attack than Special Attack, but its final form has higher Special Attack than Attack. Your best bet is to find a IV calculator, if you've kept track of your EVs that is. If you haven't, then you probably need to reset them to find its IVs. The best nature for Volcarona is Modest or Rash. Mild decreases its already low Defense stat. I just got Volcarona and its SpA is so much higher now. What do I need to do to keep track of EVs? How do I reset them? it sounds like I should leave my Volcarona with my Ditto at the daycare until I get a better nature. What do I do about IVs, though? like, when are its stats okay and when should I try again?
It doesn't really matter unless you go competitive. Like, hardcore competitive.
I believe there are programs to keep track of EVs, but the best way is usually a piece of paper. You can only keep track of them starting from 0 though. If you want to reset, you'll have to wait for Dream World to transfer the right Berries over. Meaning you should really never make any mistakes EV training unless you want to reset. Yeah, Generation V screwed us over.
GEN V Related: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85403
Complete Overview: http://www.smogon.com/ingame/guides/ev_manual
Here's yours and everyone's go-to guide for EV training in Gen V. IVs go for 31 all minus the attacking stat you won't use and unless you need a specific Hidden Power. Volcarona will want all 31 IVs, or as close as possible, and any IV for its Attack, since you don't use it at all. Special cases like Trick Room teams will want 0 Speed IVs. There are a few more special cases, but that should cover it.
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On April 01 2011 11:10 mikku wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 04:40 Brees wrote:
some guy gave me a level 100 shiny latios on the negotiations for a slakoth lol, you can get really lucky if you run into the right people on there.
Latios is actually usable in competitive play so this was awesome to me, if it was mewtwo or some shit it wouldnt be nearly as cool to me since its useless. I'm sure its a totally legit one too.
luckily it doesnt matter either way, only fucks up the cartridges of the people that used the cheats. As far as my cartridge is concerned, my shiny latios is legit lol 
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On April 01 2011 12:44 LazyMacro wrote:
To EV train, you find a Pok�mon that gives those EVs and you just kill it repeatedly? My Volcarona has literally never fought. I gave it an Exp. Share and ran through the Elite Four a few times. It shouldn't have any EVs then, right?
Wait, if I mate Volcarona with Ditto will I get a Larvesta or a Volcarona egg?
Im not 100% sure i believe the EXP share gives EV's to pokemon even if they dont fight
Also if your pokemon has Pokerus then it gets double the EV's
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He ran through Elite Four, not wild pokes, so either way it has 0 EVs
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On April 01 2011 12:49 Brees wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 11:10 mikku wrote:On April 01 2011 04:40 Brees wrote:
some guy gave me a level 100 shiny latios on the negotiations for a slakoth lol, you can get really lucky if you run into the right people on there.
Latios is actually usable in competitive play so this was awesome to me, if it was mewtwo or some shit it wouldnt be nearly as cool to me since its useless. I'm sure its a totally legit one too. luckily it doesnt matter either way, only fucks up the cartridges of the people that used the cheats. As far as my cartridge is concerned, my shiny latios is legit lol
Exactly. Who cares lol.
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Breeding should usually be done in this order.
Egg Moves -> Nature -> IVs -> EVs -> Level 100
Rule of thumb: if a Pokemon gains experience, it gains EVs as well.
Battle Subway and Player WiFi Battles do not give experience, and therefore have no effect on EVs.
You don't gain experience through Rare Candies or the Daycare either. You gain levels. That's why when you use a Rare Candy or the Daycare, the Pokemon is always at 0% experience to the next level.
Every other battle in the game will give EVs, including Elite 4, random encounters, Trainer Battles, Gym Leaders and Boss Battles.
This also means Exp. Share will share the EVs. Both the Pokemon battling and the Pokemon receiving the Experience will get the same number of EVs. The EVs are not split. If the Pokemon normally gives 2 Speed EVs, both Pokemon will receive 2 Speed EVs. If the whole team has Exp. Share, they will all receive 2 Speed EVs.
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so if you put a lv1 in day care and it gets to lv19, it has gained EVs? how much in each stat though?
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On April 01 2011 14:17 ballasdontcry wrote:
so if you put a lv1 in day care and it gets to lv19, it has gained EVs? how much in each stat though?
It only gains EV from battling pokes....
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On April 01 2011 14:17 ballasdontcry wrote:
so if you put a lv1 in day care and it gets to lv19, it has gained EVs? how much in each stat though?
it does not gain any EVs.you gain EVs in any normal battle i.e anything that is not battle subway/wifi battles etc.
trainers and gymleaders and E4 are counted towards EVs.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
places to EV train for anyone that cares (taken from smogon.com)
HP
Surf in the dark puddles of Icirrus City - Stunfisk (100%, 2 HP)
Also, Victini (3 HP) can be rebattled infinitely as long as you do not catch it.
Atk
Route 1 - Lillipup (50%, 1 Atk) and Patrat (50%, 1 Atk)
Dragonspiral Tower 2F - Golett (100%, 1 Atk)
Dragonspiral Tower 1F - Golett (50%, 1 Atk), Druddigon (30%, 2 Atk), Mienfoo (20%, 1 Atk)
Outside of Dragonspiral Tower, Double Grass - Tranquill (30%, 2 Atk), Sawsbuck (30%, 2 Atk), Mienfoo (30%, 1 Atk), Druddigon (10%, 2 Atk)
A couple of notes need to be made here.
- At the moment, I am unsure whether Druddigon gives 2 or 3 Atk EVs. I've listed it as 2 for now.
- During Winter, the Double Grass location changes up. Druddigon is replaced by Beartic (10%, 2 Atk), which is great, but Tranquill is replaced by Vanillish (30%, 2 SpAtk).
Which of these locations is the best is up to you, assuming the Druddigon "mystery" is solved. If you don't mind keeping track exactly how many EVs you got, Dragonspiral 1F or outside Dragonspiral is the place for you. Outside gives the most EVs at in a short time, especially if you can OHKO two enemies at a time. If you'd rather keep it simple, Dragonspiral 2F or Route 1 are where it's at.
Def
Wellspring Cave - Roggengola (50%, 1 Def)
Pinwheel Forest - Venipede (15%, 1 Def) and Sewaddle (35%, 1 Def)
Pinwheel Forest Double Grass - Whirlipede (15%, 2 Def) and Swadloon (35%, 2 Def)
Chargestone Cave - Klink (29%, 1 Def), Ferroseed (20%, 1 Def), Boldore (10%, 1 Atk, 1 Def)
None of these guarantee a Def encounter. Wellspring Cave also has 50% Woobat, Pinwheel has Cottonee/Petilil (35%) and Pidove (15%), Pinwheel Double has Cottonee/Petilil (35%) and Tranquil (15%), and Chargestone Cave has Joltik (36-39%) and Tynamo (2-8%), depending which floor you're on. Note that Boldore gives 1 Atk in addition to 1 Def!
SpAtk
Celestial Tower - Litwick (100%, 1 SpAtk)
You can go to higher floors if you want, those have Elgyem (15%) which also give 1 SpAtk. There's a Nurse on 3F, which is convenient.
SpDef
Surf in Driftveil City - Frillish (100%, 1 SpDef)
Speed
Surf on Route 3 - Basculin (100%, 2 Speed)
You can Surf in a lot of places for 100% Basculin, but this is an example of a place where you don't have to go through tall grass or anything to get to a surfing spot when coming from a close Poké Center.
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
On April 01 2011 14:41 LazyMacro wrote:
Can anyone explain IVs to me? I read the articles on Smogon and Serebii and I'm actually more confused.
Basically I could have 5 of the same Pok�mon but they can all have different stats?
IVs are Randomly assigned to pokemon to start with, the pokemon you get has an inherent 0-31 stat on all given stats. Through breeding you can eventually make an almost perfect IV pokemon with all 31s through very extensive breeding
IVs are not nearly as important as EVs so if you dont want to go through the hassle, just EV train.
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On April 01 2011 11:10 mikku wrote:Show nested quote +On April 01 2011 04:40 Brees wrote:
some guy gave me a level 100 shiny latios on the negotiations for a slakoth lol, you can get really lucky if you run into the right people on there.
Latios is actually usable in competitive play so this was awesome to me, if it was mewtwo or some shit it wouldnt be nearly as cool to me since its useless. I'm sure its a totally legit one too.
In gen IV, the only place where they really check(everything) was when you put a video battle on the gts ^^
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