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Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 12:54:55
March 31 2011 12:52 GMT
#1561
On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.

They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though.


why Blaziken?


Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU.

You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.>

I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts...
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
March 31 2011 13:07 GMT
#1562
On March 31 2011 21:52 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.

They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though.


why Blaziken?


Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU.

You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.>

I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts...


thats utterly fucked up,of all the fire starters I expected Charizard to make it to Uber ;_;.
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
March 31 2011 13:12 GMT
#1563
On March 31 2011 21:52 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.

They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though.


why Blaziken?


Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU.

You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.>

I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts...


Quite imba indeed
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 13:15:56
March 31 2011 13:14 GMT
#1564
On March 31 2011 22:12 Teton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:52 Ferrose wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.

They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though.


why Blaziken?


Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU.

You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.>

I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts...


Quite imba indeed


The only legit counter I can think of is Slowbro. Or maybe Starmie. Maybe Jellicent? Those are the only Pokes I can think of that resist both of its STABs.

People have suggested some LOL counters. Like Alakazam with Focus Sash, or Shell Break Carracosta with Aqua Jet. I don't know what kinda world you live in if you think that a Rock Pokemon is a counter to a Fighting Pokemon >.<

Edit: I think that Azumarill could handle it, but besides countering Blaziken it's NU trash and even then you're screwed if the Sun is up D:
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Asshat
Profile Joined September 2010
593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 13:23:11
March 31 2011 13:20 GMT
#1565
Blaziken is overrated, yeah yeah hits hard is fast etc, but guess what so does the majority of the metagame, if he doesn't have protect there are a number of scarfed pokemon that can switch in on the swords dance, outspeed and 1hko, and if he does have protect jellicent counters him. plus his main attacks have massive recoil potential. Something as simple as switching in a ghost/using protect on a predicted hi jump kick will cripple him. He also has paper defenses when strong priority moves are everywhere.

Smogon just bans shit arbitrarily. Some of the people in high places there are truly idiotic, it's kinda sad because people will listen to it as it's the "teamliquid" of pokemon, I suppose each community deserves its own hub website.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 13:23:17
March 31 2011 13:22 GMT
#1566
On March 31 2011 22:20 Asshat wrote:
Blaziken is overrated, yeah yeah hits hard is fast etc, but guess what so does the majority of the metagame, plus his main attacks have massive recoil potential. Something as simple as switching in a ghost/using protect on a predicted hi jump kick will cripple him. He also has paper defenses when strong priority moves are everywhere.

Smogon just bans shit arbitrarily. Some of the people in high places there are truly idiotic, it's kinda sad because people will listen to it as it's the "teamliquid" of pokemon, I suppose each community deserves its own hub website.


Or dozens of people vote on it. And it's not like these votes never happen after much testing and analysis of usage statistics.

Very arbitrary, I'd say.

Plus, no one is forcing you to use Smogon's rules anyway. So there's no point in complaining. You play in your court, we'll play in ours.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
March 31 2011 13:24 GMT
#1567
On March 31 2011 22:14 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 22:12 Teton wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:52 Ferrose wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.

They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though.


why Blaziken?


Because of Speed Boost. Give it 2-3 turns and it outspeeds all its counters. And since Fire/Fighting is already great coverage, and it has extremely powerful STABs with 120 base Attack, it's too good for OU.

You're only hope is a bulky Water with priority. But you better hope that Blaziken didn't Swords Dance or Sub or something already >.>

I wonder if my Vaporeon could take a hit from it and Haze to get rid of the Speed Boosts...


Quite imba indeed


The only legit counter I can think of is Slowbro. Or maybe Starmie. Maybe Jellicent? Those are the only Pokes I can think of that resist both of its STABs.

People have suggested some LOL counters. Like Alakazam with Focus Sash, or Shell Break Carracosta with Aqua Jet. I don't know what kinda world you live in if you think that a Rock Pokemon is a counter to a Fighting Pokemon >.<

Edit: I think that Azumarill could handle it, but besides countering Blaziken it's NU trash and even then you're screwed if the Sun is up D:


LOL counters indeed x).
I should begin to watch the metagame added with the last gen the, as i didnt really check it out
Asshat
Profile Joined September 2010
593 Posts
March 31 2011 13:26 GMT
#1568
On March 31 2011 22:22 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 22:20 Asshat wrote:
Blaziken is overrated, yeah yeah hits hard is fast etc, but guess what so does the majority of the metagame, plus his main attacks have massive recoil potential. Something as simple as switching in a ghost/using protect on a predicted hi jump kick will cripple him. He also has paper defenses when strong priority moves are everywhere.

Smogon just bans shit arbitrarily. Some of the people in high places there are truly idiotic, it's kinda sad because people will listen to it as it's the "teamliquid" of pokemon, I suppose each community deserves its own hub website.


Or dozens of people vote on it. And it's not like these votes never happen after much testing and analysis of usage statistics.

Very arbitrary, I'd say.

Plus, no one is forcing you to use Smogon's rules anyway. So there's no point in complaining. You play in your court, we'll play in ours.



Smogon's rules are forced on everyone who plays the game in a semi-controlled level, you should know that. The people who vote on those things can be anywhere from "pokemon online superstars" from randoms that wrote a good article on the website once, hardly a good gauge of their competence.

Though it's not really surprising, they did the same to garchomp and salamence in gen 4, speed boost blaziken is just a worse version of those. Life goes on
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 31 2011 13:29 GMT
#1569
On March 31 2011 22:26 Asshat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 22:22 Ferrose wrote:
On March 31 2011 22:20 Asshat wrote:
Blaziken is overrated, yeah yeah hits hard is fast etc, but guess what so does the majority of the metagame, plus his main attacks have massive recoil potential. Something as simple as switching in a ghost/using protect on a predicted hi jump kick will cripple him. He also has paper defenses when strong priority moves are everywhere.

Smogon just bans shit arbitrarily. Some of the people in high places there are truly idiotic, it's kinda sad because people will listen to it as it's the "teamliquid" of pokemon, I suppose each community deserves its own hub website.


Or dozens of people vote on it. And it's not like these votes never happen after much testing and analysis of usage statistics.

Very arbitrary, I'd say.

Plus, no one is forcing you to use Smogon's rules anyway. So there's no point in complaining. You play in your court, we'll play in ours.



Smogon's rules are forced on everyone who plays the game in a semi-controlled level, you should know that. The people who vote on those things can be anywhere from "pokemon online superstars" from randoms that wrote a good article on the website once, hardly a good gauge of their competence.

Though it's not really surprising, they did the same to garchomp and salamence in gen 4, speed boost blaziken is just a worse version of those. Life goes on


I think it'll get unbanned eventually, don't worry. The game hasn't even been out for a month. We still have to see what will become of the gen V metagame.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50604 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 13:32:27
March 31 2011 13:31 GMT
#1570
OMG Hydration Vaporeon!!!!!!!

Craziest thing after Blaziken going to Uber,I <3 Dream World.

On March 31 2011 22:29 Ferrose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 22:26 Asshat wrote:
On March 31 2011 22:22 Ferrose wrote:
On March 31 2011 22:20 Asshat wrote:
Blaziken is overrated, yeah yeah hits hard is fast etc, but guess what so does the majority of the metagame, plus his main attacks have massive recoil potential. Something as simple as switching in a ghost/using protect on a predicted hi jump kick will cripple him. He also has paper defenses when strong priority moves are everywhere.

Smogon just bans shit arbitrarily. Some of the people in high places there are truly idiotic, it's kinda sad because people will listen to it as it's the "teamliquid" of pokemon, I suppose each community deserves its own hub website.


Or dozens of people vote on it. And it's not like these votes never happen after much testing and analysis of usage statistics.

Very arbitrary, I'd say.

Plus, no one is forcing you to use Smogon's rules anyway. So there's no point in complaining. You play in your court, we'll play in ours.



Smogon's rules are forced on everyone who plays the game in a semi-controlled level, you should know that. The people who vote on those things can be anywhere from "pokemon online superstars" from randoms that wrote a good article on the website once, hardly a good gauge of their competence.

Though it's not really surprising, they did the same to garchomp and salamence in gen 4, speed boost blaziken is just a worse version of those. Life goes on


I think it'll get unbanned eventually, don't worry. The game hasn't even been out for a month. We still have to see what will become of the gen V metagame.


sounds extremely familiar here on TL. :p
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
March 31 2011 16:42 GMT
#1571
On March 31 2011 21:42 BLinD-RawR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 21:35 ScarletKnight wrote:
Not yet. Smogon is still going through the game, but the tiers should be out soon, hopefully.

They did recently ban Blaziken to Ubers though.


why Blaziken?



they gave speed boost to an already powerful champion lol. after a couple turns you outspeed everything and you dont even need choice scarf. Imagine if yanmega didnt get shit on by everything and had as high atk as blaziken, yea thats what happened
Brees on in
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
March 31 2011 16:45 GMT
#1572
On March 31 2011 20:34 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 04:22 Brees wrote:
No one likes that mode, GF is just retarded

Im not sure where I would go to do 6v6s though so its pretty much all I can do.

Besides, I have seen some legit people on there that are actually good, all their movesets are pretty much ready for anything and fairly clever.

Saw one dude with 2k wins running

liepard @ normal gem
unburden

fakeout
swagger
foul play
???


pretty nifty set.


With people runnnig these sets, I dont understand why people dont run hard hitting physical tanks as leads. Standard hippowdon seems like he would laugh at all this stuff.'

Anyway, I ran a lead sashed sableye with taunt/WoW/foul play/shadow sneak. Probably the best WoW user I have come across.


and yea hippowdown is pretty good if you breed it to get slack off, wayyyyy better sandstorm setup then tyranitar since everyone has fighting attacks.
Brees on in
Dark-Storm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada334 Posts
March 31 2011 17:36 GMT
#1573
So how do you get stuff from dreamworld

I Am building a team with a Vaporeon in it already but how would i get a Hydration Vaporeon

dont know what kind of team i should have, dont do to much battling, ATM my strongest pokemon is a Hydreigon with dark pulse,
currently Breeding a ton of Jolly "outrage" Gibles and thinking of doing my first EV trained pokemon
I don't have Pet Peeves. I have Major psychotic Fucking Hatreds
redFF
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States3910 Posts
March 31 2011 17:51 GMT
#1574
I just got it, seems fun. I'm playing on a 3ds, here's my friend code.
2664-2127-9016
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
March 31 2011 18:09 GMT
#1575
On April 01 2011 02:36 Dark-Storm wrote:
So how do you get stuff from dreamworld

I Am building a team with a Vaporeon in it already but how would i get a Hydration Vaporeon

dont know what kind of team i should have, dont do to much battling, ATM my strongest pokemon is a Hydreigon with dark pulse,
currently Breeding a ton of Jolly "outrage" Gibles and thinking of doing my first EV trained pokemon


The pgl isnt up right now ( http://www.pokemon-gl.com/pre/en.html ) so no dream world yet unless you play on a jap version
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
March 31 2011 18:17 GMT
#1576
On March 31 2011 20:30 bumatlarge wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2011 17:25 flamewheel wrote:
Every time I see this thread it makes me really, really want to play this game... >.>


Do it!

When was the last time you played pokemen?

Er I still occasionally do contests in Ruby. My problem with Pokemon is that I actually have to catch them all. Thankfully I stopped after gen3.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
March 31 2011 18:20 GMT
#1577
Fuck im addicted to GTS trade negotions. So many europeans...
Jaedong :3
Dark-Storm
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada334 Posts
March 31 2011 18:37 GMT
#1578
On April 01 2011 03:20 ReketSomething wrote:
Fuck im addicted to GTS trade negotions. So many europeans...

Some people want retarded trades.
i.e i saw someone had a Dieno and wanted a lvl 100 Mewtwo
I don't have Pet Peeves. I have Major psychotic Fucking Hatreds
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
March 31 2011 18:38 GMT
#1579
On April 01 2011 03:37 Dark-Storm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 03:20 ReketSomething wrote:
Fuck im addicted to GTS trade negotions. So many europeans...

Some people want retarded trades.
i.e i saw someone had a Dieno and wanted a lvl 100 Mewtwo


Thats GTS trade not trade negotiations. Trade negotiations is legit.

If you guys havent tried it, I highly recommend doing so.
Jaedong :3
Teton
Profile Joined May 2010
France1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-31 19:14:02
March 31 2011 19:02 GMT
#1580
On April 01 2011 03:38 ReketSomething wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 01 2011 03:37 Dark-Storm wrote:
On April 01 2011 03:20 ReketSomething wrote:
Fuck im addicted to GTS trade negotions. So many europeans...

Some people want retarded trades.
i.e i saw someone had a Dieno and wanted a lvl 100 Mewtwo


Thats GTS trade not trade negotiations. Trade negotiations is legit.

If you guys havent tried it, I highly recommend doing so.


Woh it's nice :D

Edit : Edit : Ah ok i understood the concept ^^
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