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On March 24 2011 06:34 Ferrose wrote:
Should I replace Brick Break with Pursuit on my Scizor? Then I'd have no Fighting moves :x
God, building my team is so stressful. I want to be able to counter everything but it's impossible >.<
pursuit, bullet punch, u-turn, Other ability = what goes on a scizor.
Since well... technician'ed and stabbed bullet punch HURTS pokes, technician'ed pursuit HURTS pokes, and well u-turn to gtfo.
Then well do you want a STAB bug type to kill darks and psychics, or do you want more type coverage with something else?
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Well right now I have
Swords Dance
Brick Break
Bullet Punch
Bug Bite
I liked the set so far, because my team has coverage for everything (except Ghosts). I can try Pursuit over Brick Break. So what should I turn the set into then?
U-Turn
Pursuit
Bullet Punch
???
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On March 24 2011 07:51 Ferrose wrote:
Well right now I have
Swords Dance
Brick Break
Bullet Punch
Bug Bite
I liked the set so far, because my team has coverage for everything (except Ghosts). I can try Pursuit over Brick Break. So what should I turn the set into then?
U-Turn
Pursuit
Bullet Punch
???
Superpower is the best option, but gen 4 only, if that's a concern to you.
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I play gen 5 Dream World OU :x
But I originally chose Brick Break over Superpower because I don't want to lower my Attack and Defense like that.
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On March 24 2011 08:52 Ferrose wrote:
I play gen 5 Dream World OU :x
But I originally chose Brick Break over Superpower because I don't want to lower my Attack and Defense like that.
you super power to kill something, then u-turn out usually...
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On March 24 2011 08:52 Ferrose wrote:
I play gen 5 Dream World OU :x
But I originally chose Brick Break over Superpower because I don't want to lower my Attack and Defense like that.
I'm pretty sure Superpower is more standard than Brick Break. Choiced sets will prefer Superpower because they are hit-and-run anyway, while SD sets will use Superpower as a last-ditch coverage move.
EDIT: so yeah
SD / Bullet Punch / Bug Bite / Superpower is probably the best SD set.
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So I havent played since the gold silver/ a bit of emerald days. Can someone give me an update on the current battle system? What the hell is all this lingo?
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On March 24 2011 08:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
So I havent played since the gold silver/ a bit of emerald days. Can someone give me an update on the current battle system? What the hell is all this lingo?
1v1 battles haven't changed, really.
some basic abbreviations for competitive play:
+ Show Spoiler +
Tiers
OU = Overused, the "Standard" tier
BL = Borderline, too strong to be UU but not commonly used
UU = Underused
LU = Little Used
NU = Never Used
NFE = Not Fully Evolved
Attacks
EQ = Earthquake
SD = Swords Dance
HP = Hidden Power
SR = Stealth Rock
BP = Baton Pass (not commonly seen in 5th gen)
Pokemon
abbreviations are usually self-explanatory, but a couple 5th gen pokemon are commonly abbreviated based on their japanese names:
Dory = Excadrill (Doryuuzu)
Rank = Reuniclus (Rankurusu)
Natto = Ferrothorn (Nattorei)
Shandy = Chandelure (Shanderaa)
Items
CB = Choice Band
LO = Life Orb
Lefties = Leftovers
Misc.
hax = extreme, clutch luck
i'll add to that as i think of more
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All right, how's this Scizor set?
Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
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On March 24 2011 09:06 Ferrose wrote:
All right, how's this Scizor set?
Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
I didn't know it was worth putting any speed on Scizor o_O I would do a 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def spread. Maybe that's just me.
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On March 24 2011 09:06 Ferrose wrote:
All right, how's this Scizor set?
Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
Standard CB scizor is usually 252hp/252atk/4def
Any reason you are running speed? Everything else looks standard, so it's still as deadly as ever.
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On March 24 2011 09:06 Ferrose wrote:
All right, how's this Scizor set?
Scizor (F) @ Choice Band
Trait: Technician
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Adamant Nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- U-turn
- Bullet Punch
- Superpower
- Pursuit
Ditch the speed, it's pointless.
Max HP instead.
Also, as for Skarmory walling Metagross...yes there isn't really much you can do about that besides running a Mixed gross. Skarmory walls many many physical pokemon because that's what he's designed for. Best way to deal with Skarm is to you know...use a special attack :D
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All right, I'll put the Speed EVs into HP. I'm still new at this >.>
But after playing a couple games, that set was able to get quite a few KOs. I like it a lot more than my SD LO set already.
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CB Scizor is a monster.
Best way to deal with Skarm is to bring in something with Taunt and a setup move. My preferred option is Taunt Gyarados, since nobody ever sees that coming for some reason.
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On March 24 2011 09:15 infinitestory wrote:
CB Scizor is a monster.
Best way to deal with Skarm is to bring in something with Taunt and a setup move. My preferred option is Taunt Gyarados, since nobody ever sees that coming for some reason.
Taunt Gyarados?
Hahaha I wouldn't see that coming either.
but yes if you don't have a good Special attacker then taunt and setup fodder is excellent.
I think it's important to understand why you go HP over Speed on Scizor or you won't understand why you do that.
Scizor is pretty damn slow. Even if you do max Speed EV's you're not going to outspeed the pokemon you're typically revenge killing anyway. Also, Bullet Punch is a priority so you bypass its medicore speed anyway.
On top of this Scizor has...9 Resistances? I think it's 9 with 1 immunity. Scizor is fairly bulky with its 70/100/80 so if you use HP EV's the only thing that'll reliably OHKO Scizor in OU would be fire attacks.
Also Heatran makes an amazing partner for Scizor
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The only thing that ever kills my Skarmory is surprise Fire attacks. And the occasional Electric attack. I'm really liking this CB Scizor. And with Porygon2's Magic Coat for SR, and some Spikes from Skarm, battles are kinda easy.
Why do people even use Volcarona? Every time I face one it just gets neutered by SR. It starts at 50%, then it's usually KO'd after a Quiver Dance.
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On March 24 2011 09:03 infinitestory wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2011 08:58 Two_DoWn wrote:
So I havent played since the gold silver/ a bit of emerald days. Can someone give me an update on the current battle system? What the hell is all this lingo? 1v1 battles haven't changed, really. some basic abbreviations for competitive play: + Show Spoiler +
Tiers
OU = Overused, the "Standard" tier
BL = Borderline, too strong to be UU but not commonly used
UU = Underused
LU = Little Used
NU = Never Used
NFE = Not Fully Evolved
Attacks
EQ = Earthquake
SD = Swords Dance
HP = Hidden Power
SR = Stealth Rock
BP = Baton Pass (not commonly seen in 5th gen)
Pokemon
abbreviations are usually self-explanatory, but a couple 5th gen pokemon are commonly abbreviated based on their japanese names:
Dory = Excadrill (Doryuuzu)
Rank = Reuniclus (Rankurusu)
Natto = Ferrothorn (Nattorei)
Shandy = Chandelure (Shanderaa)
Items
CB = Choice Band
LO = Life Orb
Lefties = Leftovers
Misc.
hax = extreme, clutch luck
i'll add to that as i think of more
Biggest difference is the physical/special changes - moves of grass type, for example, will not always be based on special attack as they were in Gen I - III. (Shadow ball medicham nuuuuu)
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On March 24 2011 09:22 Ferrose wrote:
The only thing that ever kills my Skarmory is surprise Fire attacks. And the occasional Electric attack. I'm really liking this CB Scizor. And with Porygon2's Magic Coat for SR, and some Spikes from Skarm, battles are kinda easy.
Why do people even use Volcarona? Every time I face one it just gets neutered by SR. It starts at 50%, then it's usually KO'd after a Quiver Dance.
Volcarona is extremely good if you center your team around it. It is such an insanely powerful Sweeper that it's worth using as your main attacker.
This means that your team will likely have a Rapid Spinner on it...or two even if you really go balls to the wall. If Volcarona gets a Quiver Dance off kiss your ass goodbye. People just like to look at the stats often and pick Pokemon but something like Volcarona needs to be babysat with Rapid Spin support.
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Maybe I could switch Zapdos out for Heatran...Hmm.
Edit @ Jayme: Yeah, after just one Quiver Dance, my Starmie will usually only do about 45% to Volcaronas. Though I have no Sp. Attack EVs on my Starmie.
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On March 24 2011 09:32 Ferrose wrote:
Maybe I could switch Zapdos out for Heatran...Hmm.
What's your team so far? In my own experience, I'm finding that Heatran does me no good but Zapdos is the perfect glue.
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