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Ferrose
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On March 18 2011 09:17 Ferrose wrote: You could do it. I mean, those NPCs always claim that they just beat whatever gym leader, then their team is like 3 level 10 Patrats. If I wanted to just use 1 - 3 pokes... then I would grab any poke in the game, and then audino grind it up to be able to beat any gym and ya... you can litterally solo the game with a single poke very easily as long as you level it properly and get the best type coverage possible... and well don't run only normal + fighting + electric moves and you won't lose the game to a golurk. | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
On March 18 2011 09:15 Insanious wrote: bug was one of the few types I could actually use as a full team... there are 8 different Bug types in This gen (well... like 17 or 18 total including pre-evolves). The other options are like (not including legendaries): - grass 9 different ones (has a starter and a few relatively early grass types available) - water 8 different ones (has a starter, but then needs to wait till the 8th gym to get surf... ya...) - fighting 6 different ones (has a starter, and 4 early fighting types available) - Steel 6 different ones (1 available after 2nd gym (i think), then others available after 4th gym) - dark 6 different ones (3 VERY early darks available, the others can be found at like E4... ya...) - normal 8 different ones (available at start of game) - flying 8 different types (2 early available ones, some available later) This means the only really possible "mono-type" runs are: - Bug type (available after 3rd gym) - Grass (starter + a few early grass types) - Steel (Excadrill would be your only poke till like 4th gym though...) - normal (ya like always) - flying (surprisingly plausable) Kinda really sucks that you get surf / the fishing rod so late. Ground / Rock types are few and far between then most others well... you will be playing with like 1 - 3 pokes till E4 then you get to actually play with a full team, kinda sucks. What i did is pick the Fire/fighting pig -> get grass monkey -> get the toad (ground/water) That trio should be enough to beat most of the gym since the pig could also learn rock move to counter flying :D.... edit: extremely good at the early subway battle level :D The main problem is what is the best combination to run elite 4? i mean they pick all 4 anoying shit in the game: fighting psy ghost and dark. Each of them counter the other HARDCORE and there is almost noway you could jump out of that circle. The best way is to get the pure dark pokemons but those has the most shitty stat ever =_=.... right now im trying out something similar to: "toxic -> protect x infinity (or tank)" but the problem is everyone has at least 2 full restores -.-. For those of you who just beat the game once: instead of running from top to white jungle, try to run from the middle (bottom) city to white jungle to top (counter clockwise). Everything is so fucked up that it is so hard @_@... all you do is spam repels and hope no NPC catch you x)... | ||
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NuKedUFirst
Canada3139 Posts
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Insanious
Canada1251 Posts
On March 18 2011 10:32 NB wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2011 09:15 Insanious wrote: bug was one of the few types I could actually use as a full team... there are 8 different Bug types in This gen (well... like 17 or 18 total including pre-evolves). The other options are like (not including legendaries): - grass 9 different ones (has a starter and a few relatively early grass types available) - water 8 different ones (has a starter, but then needs to wait till the 8th gym to get surf... ya...) - fighting 6 different ones (has a starter, and 4 early fighting types available) - Steel 6 different ones (1 available after 2nd gym (i think), then others available after 4th gym) - dark 6 different ones (3 VERY early darks available, the others can be found at like E4... ya...) - normal 8 different ones (available at start of game) - flying 8 different types (2 early available ones, some available later) This means the only really possible "mono-type" runs are: - Bug type (available after 3rd gym) - Grass (starter + a few early grass types) - Steel (Excadrill would be your only poke till like 4th gym though...) - normal (ya like always) - flying (surprisingly plausable) Kinda really sucks that you get surf / the fishing rod so late. Ground / Rock types are few and far between then most others well... you will be playing with like 1 - 3 pokes till E4 then you get to actually play with a full team, kinda sucks. What i did is pick the Fire/fighting pig -> get grass monkey -> get the toad (ground/water) That trio should be enough to beat most of the gym since the pig could also learn rock move to counter flying :D.... edit: extremely good at the early subway battle level :D The main problem is what is the best combination to run elite 4? i mean they pick all 4 anoying shit in the game: fighting psy ghost and dark. Each of them counter the other HARDCORE and there is almost noway you could jump out of that circle. The best way is to get the pure dark pokemons but those has the most shitty stat ever =_=.... right now im trying out something similar to: "toxic -> protect x infinity (or tank)" but the problem is everyone has at least 2 full restores -.-. For those of you who just beat the game once: instead of running from top to white jungle, try to run from the middle (bottom) city to white jungle to top (counter clockwise). Everything is so fucked up that it is so hard @_@... all you do is spam repels and hope no NPC catch you x)... Well I picked the grass starter, and then stopped using it after 3rd gym. Went and got the fossil for the rock/flying type, then use Archeops to solo the whole game... since at lvl 45 it can solo the E4 (with Acrobatics, U-turn, Bulldoze, Rockslide). Then for the second round of E4, you simply just train it up to level 75 (kill every trainer on right side of map with archeops alone). Then have it learn EQ and Stone Edge) and ya... game. - - - - For my second play through, I am running a 100% bug team (6 bug pokes) as well, I am trying to train them up equally (I am currently trying to get everyone to level 40.) This is VERY difficult as: 1) Everything kills bug pokes (low def, rock and fire weakness) 2) You cannot have a 1 poke crutch, as if you have any poke ~10 levels higher than everything else, then it still just kills everything due to power... So ya, hard play through, very fun... but ya. Seriously, if you just want to beat the game, just over level a single poke and gg. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
For the Fighting guy I just used Archeops and prayed that Acrobatics would one shot everything, so that its Ability wouldn't neuter it >.> | ||
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Pvvned
United States405 Posts
On March 18 2011 09:26 Insanious wrote: If I wanted to just use 1 - 3 pokes... then I would grab any poke in the game, and then audino grind it up to be able to beat any gym and ya... you can litterally solo the game with a single poke very easily as long as you level it properly and get the best type coverage possible... and well don't run only normal + fighting + electric moves and you won't lose the game to a golurk. I remember doing this in the RBY days (as did tons of people) with my Charizard and it's Fly/Flamethrower/Fire Blast/Fire Spin moveset. | ||
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TALegion
United States1187 Posts
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Mashes
Canada441 Posts
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Rhodan
Australia232 Posts
On March 18 2011 11:22 Mashes wrote: Has anyone tried Shell Break Cloyster, with skill link it's an absolute beast.? I kinda think they're overdoing it with the stat moves now, quiver dance volcorona is pretty sick too. Nope, but let me know how it works out... was going to start playing around with a Shell Break Carracosta when I get some time | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
Pignite -> has a good load of HP and his physical attacks are unmatched by any starters. Will evolve into 123 base physical attack and 110 base HP with 65/65 defensive stats. May not be the bulkiest among starters, but it is definitely close. Definitely bulkier than grass type at least by base stats (grass type may have sources of recovery but still), water type is a little bulkier, but both are unable to deal nearly as much damage. Also, with rock-fighting-fire type moves, has a really good type coverage. Throh -> Damn bulky with 120/85/85 defensive stats. Amazing combo wall with 100 base physical attack stat and move set that can make up for his low speed (Revenge-Reversal-Bulk Up-Circle Throw ftw). I doubt this guy can be broken by dark e4 member even after first 3. Doesn't have a good type coverage, but will definitely sweep any team that has low physical defense and takes at least x1 damage from fighting type. Blitzle -> Evolves into Zebstrika, who has 116 base speed, 100 base physical attack and 80 base special attack. Will definitely sweep with Spark and Wild Charge. Leftovers may heal the recoil damage of wild charge and you're in a quite good spot. Of course if you can get lefties early enough. Sewaddle -> Bug-Grass typing may look cool at the first glance, but x4 weaknesses to My team will be almost complete once I get my Rotom-H or Rotom-W, who have only 2 and 1 x2 weaknesses respectively. Other than that, I'm looking for a special tank, as 2 of e4 use psychic and ghost attacks, most of which are special. I may get a tentacruel for being a special wall, but he has weakness to psychic attacks (which will be covered by sewaddle when he evolves, i hope). | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Edit: Also, Poison is only good against Grass, and does normal damage to Bug, so Bug/Grass only has a 2x weakness to Poison. | ||
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ScarletKnight
United States691 Posts
Doesn't have a great move pool and generally only learns ice moves, but boy oh boy does it hit hard. | ||
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On March 18 2011 20:45 Ferrose wrote: Emboar is bulkier than Serperior? LOL Edit: Also, Poison is only good against Grass, and does normal damage to Bug, so Bug/Grass only has a 2x weakness to Poison. Uh, I checked it again and no, Emboar isn't bulkier than Serperior. But, Emboar is bulky enough (actually all 3 starters are quite bulky) even though being the least bulky starter. Emboar has an unmatched physical attack, Serperior does no damage compared to other two, Samurott can be a good mixed sweeper, but Emboar's physical pool along with access to curse and bulk up moves him on top of my list among starters and Samurott's access to swords dance doesn't change it. And what? How? I remember poison dealing 2x to bug as well, guess that was from the old times. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On March 18 2011 21:57 Djagulingu wrote: Uh, I checked it again and no, Emboar isn't bulkier than Serperior. But, Emboar is bulky enough (actually all 3 starters are quite bulky) even though being the least bulky starter. Emboar has an unmatched physical attack, Serperior does no damage compared to other two, Samurott can be a good mixed sweeper, but Emboar's physical pool along with access to curse and bulk up moves him on top of my list among starters and Samurott's access to swords dance doesn't change it. And what? How? I remember poison dealing 2x to bug as well, guess that was from the old times. On March 18 2011 18:14 Djagulingu wrote: My team currently: Pignite ->Definitely bulkier than grass type at least by base stats I'm just going by what you said D: Emboar has 110 base HP. That is very good. What you'd expect from a wall or something. But its Defenses are both 65. Serperior only has 75 HP, but 95 Defenses. Samurott's HP is 95, with 85 and 70 Defenses. Emboar is definitely the least bulky of the three. However, he is definitely the best physical attacker. It just depends on your playstyle, really. Emboar is bascially a physical attacker. Seperior seems best for Dual Screens or something (Sceptile is still faster for SubSeeding), and Samurott would make a nice mixed sweeper. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
He takes 4x damage from fire, 2x from fighting, 1x from ice flying bug and ground, and 0.5 or less from everything else (water, electric, normal, rock, steel, grass, psychic, dark, ghost, dragon) and immunity to poison with some ridiculous defensive stats on top of that. He also can learn stealth rock and spikes through breeding so he's pretty safe to lead with. tl;dr he's like fortress but with more resistances (as i think fortress was bug/steel?) | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
Edit: Now that I think about it, Jellicent could be the perfect partner for it. It can handle the Fire, and is totally immune to Fighting. | ||
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Phrost
United States4008 Posts
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Scaramanga
Australia8092 Posts
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