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Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
March 17 2011 20:12 GMT
#1101
On March 18 2011 04:42 NB wrote:
HORRIBLE TASTE IN MUSIC


WTF man Driftveil is some of the best music by far
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 17 2011 20:16 GMT
#1102
On March 18 2011 05:12 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 04:42 NB wrote:
HORRIBLE TASTE IN MUSIC


WTF man Driftveil is some of the best music by far

didnt say it was bad... it just fucking suprising that shit comes up... I swear it sounds like folks music from SEA culture =__=.... but yeah, i dont like that song.

I love the touch on how you could add element into the theme song though. The black dude on the bridge beatbox so pro? :D
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Megaman703
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada688 Posts
March 17 2011 20:33 GMT
#1103
On March 18 2011 04:42 NB wrote:
+ No new HM, Dive is almost unused and should not be an HM. (this is huge, the game is so boring missing an HM)


You want more HM usage in the game? are you serious? That's the first time I've ever heard that.
TALegion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1187 Posts
March 17 2011 20:41 GMT
#1104
On March 17 2011 11:48 Blisse wrote:
Absol. Because you can fit Absolutely as a name.

I forgot about Absol. He and Scraft are my second and third favorites :D
A person willing to die for a cause is a hero. A person willing to kill for a cause is a madman
Pvvned
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States407 Posts
March 17 2011 20:43 GMT
#1105
On March 18 2011 04:42 NB wrote:
+ No new HM, Dive is almost unused and should not be an HM. (this is huge, the game is so boring missing an HM)

You may be the only person in the world that actually WANTS new HMs.

Personally, I hate them because you may be forced to waste a move slot on one of your good pokemon. Yes, you can find HM slaves, but it's such a pain in the ass when the HMs themselves could just be like passive moves that don't take up one of the four move slots. That would make things so much easier.
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proxY_
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1561 Posts
March 17 2011 20:48 GMT
#1106
I'm most of the way through a playthrough on this and I have to say I think it does a good job for the franchise. The story has evolved and is a little more intricate, the new features are welcome and not annoying, and it maintains the same formula that made the previous ones successful. My only gripe is that the new pokemon seem to be lacking in general in terms of design. There are a few nice ones but generally they're a bit dumb (the sentient ice cream cone is the dumbest one in the series imo).
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
March 17 2011 20:48 GMT
#1107
On March 18 2011 05:43 Pvvned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 04:42 NB wrote:
+ No new HM, Dive is almost unused and should not be an HM. (this is huge, the game is so boring missing an HM)

You may be the only person in the world that actually WANTS new HMs.

Personally, I hate them because you may be forced to waste a move slot on one of your good pokemon. Yes, you can find HM slaves, but it's such a pain in the ass when the HMs themselves could just be like passive moves that don't take up one of the four move slots. That would make things so much easier.

no.... new HM means new puzzle solver = new puzzle.
See how flash and rock breaker are now normal TM but used as HM?... i mean there should be some puzzle in the game that absolutely require a huge amounts of HM. I remember how i catch the ice bird back in LeafGreen 5 times... each time i try to solve it for 3 days @_@... (didnt have internet + computer back then T_T)
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Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
March 17 2011 21:24 GMT
#1108
On March 18 2011 05:48 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2011 05:43 Pvvned wrote:
On March 18 2011 04:42 NB wrote:
+ No new HM, Dive is almost unused and should not be an HM. (this is huge, the game is so boring missing an HM)

You may be the only person in the world that actually WANTS new HMs.

Personally, I hate them because you may be forced to waste a move slot on one of your good pokemon. Yes, you can find HM slaves, but it's such a pain in the ass when the HMs themselves could just be like passive moves that don't take up one of the four move slots. That would make things so much easier.

no.... new HM means new puzzle solver = new puzzle.
See how flash and rock breaker are now normal TM but used as HM?... i mean there should be some puzzle in the game that absolutely require a huge amounts of HM. I remember how i catch the ice bird back in LeafGreen 5 times... each time i try to solve it for 3 days @_@... (didnt have internet + computer back then T_T)


Wow are you serious?

The puzzles in Pokemon aren't fun and HMs are a waste of space. Maybe if they weren't absolutely TERRIBLE moves (except Surf and on occasion Waterfall) I wouldn't mind HMs. As it stands though they suck, take up a valuable move slot, and are a general nuisance.

If it's one thing I hate about Pokemon it's the HM bullshit.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 17 2011 21:37 GMT
#1109
Black and White's main story doesn't require any HMs, IIRC. I can't speak for the endgame though. Best thing ever. It pissed me off beyond belief how I needed HMs for the Victory Road in D/P/Pt. Because then I had to fight with 5 Pokemon, so that I could have an HM slave. No way in hell am I using any HMs in battle unless it's Surf, Waterfall, or Fly.

I mean, why should a shitty move like Rock Smash be permanent? : |

tl;dr: HMs are retarded.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
March 17 2011 21:38 GMT
#1110
The ice puzzles in Pokemon are so fun! I forgot which generation had the one where you had to walk over the ice that cracked in two steps to unlock the staircase. Great idea imo, but it's all sliding now. Yuck.

I don't mind HMs now because Strength and Cut are a lot stronger now, while they boosted Surf and Waterfall a while back. Rock Smash, Dive and Whirlpool are the only random ones. Oh, and Fog (what were they thinking).
There is no one like you in the universe.
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 17 2011 21:40 GMT
#1111
On March 18 2011 06:38 Blisse wrote:
The ice puzzles in Pokemon are so fun! I forgot which generation had the one where you had to walk over the ice that cracked in two steps to unlock the staircase. Great idea imo, but it's all sliding now. Yuck.

I don't mind HMs now because Strength and Cut are a lot stronger now, while they boosted Surf and Waterfall a while back. Rock Smash, Dive and Whirlpool are the only random ones. Oh, and Fog (what were they thinking).


Defog was so dumb. They were basically like "See? No Flash needed anymore!" Then they introduced Defog, which is the same damn thing : /
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
Antimage
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada1293 Posts
March 17 2011 21:40 GMT
#1112
HM slaves are terrible. Once I've beaten the game and I'm EV training/IV breeding, I still have a freaking Bidoof and Skarmory in my lineup to cover all 8 HM's - it's the most terrible thing.

F U BIDOOF F U HM's
Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
March 17 2011 21:43 GMT
#1113
Does anyone like the 3 stupid chimps at the start? They are the most annoying fags I've ever seen in a pokemon game. They don't do shit and they are not that easy to beat.
"windows bash is a steaming heap of shit" tofucake
starfries
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada3508 Posts
March 17 2011 21:50 GMT
#1114
I wish they took out HMs completely and only had puzzles like the sliding ice/cracking ice puzzles. I would love it if they made it so that as long as you have a certain gym badge you can surf with any water pokemon, fly with any flying pokemon, etc.

That way you could also have 6 fighting pokes, which opens up more epic battles. Why don't the later gym leaders have teams of 6? I'm glad the final battles had some nearly good movesets for a change though.
DJ – do you like ramen, Savior? Savior – not really. Bisu – I eat it often. Flash – I’m a maniac! | Foxer Fighting!
Ferrose
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States11378 Posts
March 17 2011 21:53 GMT
#1115
On March 18 2011 06:50 starfries wrote:
I wish they took out HMs completely and only had puzzles like the sliding ice/cracking ice puzzles. I would love it if they made it so that as long as you have a certain gym badge you can surf with any water pokemon, fly with any flying pokemon, etc.

That way you could also have 6 fighting pokes, which opens up more epic battles. Why don't the later gym leaders have teams of 6? I'm glad the final battles had some nearly good movesets for a change though.


When I was fighting N or something, he sent out Klinklang against my Excadrill. I was like "Dude are you serious I'm just gonna EQ since I already set up with Swords Dance >.>"

Then it one shot me with Focus Blast. I just sat there in awe. Then like 5 turns later the game said "Zoroark's Illusion wore off!"

Well played, AI. Well played.
@113candlemagic Office lady by day, lonely woman at night. | Official lolicon of thread 94273
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
March 17 2011 21:59 GMT
#1116
On March 18 2011 06:43 Djagulingu wrote:
Does anyone like the 3 stupid chimps at the start? They are the most annoying fags I've ever seen in a pokemon game. They don't do shit and they are not that easy to beat.

I leveled the grass monkey to 43 (crunch) then evolved it. It has served me well
:)
Asshat
Profile Joined September 2010
593 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 22:05:52
March 17 2011 21:59 GMT
#1117
They should just make all HMs good moves.

Surf and Waterfall are already the best special/physical water moves around. Fly would be excellent if it just was a single turn move without any other changes. Increase Cut power to 90 and make it Grass, Make Strength a fighting move, reduce its power by 15 and give it a +1 attack chance.

Bam all HMs are now amazing except dive which is almost never used anyway. Strength wouldn't be so great but the last thing needed would be half of the pokemon out there being able to learn a ridiculously strong Fighting type move, Grass and Flying aren't as powerful offensive types so it's not a big deal.
Megaman703
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada688 Posts
March 17 2011 22:04 GMT
#1118
HMs aren't puzzles though. They're simply ways to present roadblocks so the player doesn't leave cities and get to later areas without getting the badge first. If it wasn't for HMs, in RBY, so many people would get to the Pokemon League, and would have to travel back to every city to get badges. HMs were just used as a tool for game design, and they're extremely outdated. They restrict choice, and don't give the player any meaningful interaction with the environment. The way they do it in this game (plot events that require badges, and HMs leading to optional items and shortcuts) is a much better way to lead the player through the game.
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 22:06:06
March 17 2011 22:04 GMT
#1119
On March 18 2011 06:59 Asshat wrote:
They should just make all HMs good moves.

Surf and Waterfall are already the best special/physical water moves around. Fly would be excellent if it just was a single turn move without any other changes. Increase Cut power to 90 and make it Grass, Make Strength a fighting move and give it a +1 attack chance.

Bam all HMs are now amazing except dive which is almost never used anyway.


Cut to 90 seems excessive. Maybe 85 or 80 Base Power. Rock Smash into a Rock-type move please, 60 Base Power. Strength has 80 Base Power this Generation so that's good. Too bad Normal-type moves have no use ever.

Who decided Surf would be 90 Base Power and hits everything on the field...
And Earthquake is still the strongest move in the game...

And what happened to Secret Power? I liked my random house-in-a-tree.

@above, HMs aren't bound by Gym Badges in Black and White.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Megaman703
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada688 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-17 22:07:16
March 17 2011 22:05 GMT
#1120
Honestly, the way it is now with optional HM usage is fine, why increase the power of HM moves if they aren't required anymore?

edit @above: I didn't say they were?
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