• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:41
CEST 10:41
KST 17:41
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly4Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"2ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live!26Weekly Cups (July 13-19): Terran & Protoss rise; Zerg falters2Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)90
StarCraft 2
General
Reynor: GSL Loss Wasn't About Preparation Format What's the best tug of war? Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) How would you feel about frequent/monthly balance patches for SC2? Clem: "I don't have that much hope in Blizzard"
Tourneys
IntoTheTV X SOOP SC2 League : Weekly & Monthly INu's Battles#18 - Cure, herO, Rogue & ByuN RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) WardiTV Summer Cup 2026
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Industrial Park New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate
External Content
Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 534 Burning Evacuation Mutation # 533 Die Together
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion How Famous was FlaSh before his Debut?
Tourneys
Escore Tournament - Season 3 Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [IPSL] Spring 2026 Grand Finals - This Weekend!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers PvT advise for noobs Fighting Spirit mining rates Creating a full chart of Zerg builds
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread How to buy a book - shipping from Korea to Europe The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Series you have seen recently... Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How Games can Help with Majo…
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4275 users

Marvel vs Capcom 3 - Page 45

Forum Index > General Games
Post a Reply
Prev 1 43 44 45 46 47 126 Next
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 21:01:41
February 23 2011 21:01 GMT
#881


New Desk CMV, featuring Chun-Li.

Here's this week's Wakeup SRK podcast featuring Desk as well: http://shoryuken.com/content/wakeup-shoryuken-e051-desk-top-publishing-3706/
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 21:44:09
February 23 2011 21:32 GMT
#882
On February 24 2011 05:11 PrideNeverDie wrote:
i think a ban/pick phase would help a lot in the competitive scene. it would force players to be more well-rounded and see more creative and interesting combos other than the usual type S.


This isn't DotA, get out of here with that. lol


MvC3 =/ other fighting games either, its good to keep an open mind

Ban/draft would be awesome for mvc3 since there are 3 characters to pick and you have to learn multiple characters anyway to make the best team.

Also draft would broaden the number of characters you see in high level play and increase the skill cap which all the pros are complaining about since the combo system and controls are dumbed down.
Check out my SC Lan pics Here: http://picasaweb.google.com/bunk.habit
shwaffles
Profile Joined July 2010
United States117 Posts
February 23 2011 22:04 GMT
#883
On February 24 2011 06:32 Zeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 05:11 PrideNeverDie wrote:
i think a ban/pick phase would help a lot in the competitive scene. it would force players to be more well-rounded and see more creative and interesting combos other than the usual type S.


Show nested quote +
This isn't DotA, get out of here with that. lol


MvC3 =/ other fighting games either, its good to keep an open mind

Ban/draft would be awesome for mvc3 since there are 3 characters to pick and you have to learn multiple characters anyway to make the best team.

Also draft would broaden the number of characters you see in high level play and increase the skill cap which all the pros are complaining about since the combo system and controls are dumbed down.

That would be an awful idea. Banning top characters just leads to the downward spiral of banning the next top characters. Coupled with the fact that this game is barely a week old, it would do nothing but slow down development.
Zeroes
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1102 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 22:16:57
February 23 2011 22:11 GMT
#884
On February 24 2011 07:04 shwaffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 06:32 Zeroes wrote:
On February 24 2011 05:11 PrideNeverDie wrote:
i think a ban/pick phase would help a lot in the competitive scene. it would force players to be more well-rounded and see more creative and interesting combos other than the usual type S.


This isn't DotA, get out of here with that. lol


MvC3 =/ other fighting games either, its good to keep an open mind

Ban/draft would be awesome for mvc3 since there are 3 characters to pick and you have to learn multiple characters anyway to make the best team.

Also draft would broaden the number of characters you see in high level play and increase the skill cap which all the pros are complaining about since the combo system and controls are dumbed down.

That would be an awful idea. Banning top characters just leads to the downward spiral of banning the next top characters. Coupled with the fact that this game is barely a week old, it would do nothing but slow down development.


do you know how the ban/draft system works? you only get 1 ban if you ban the next top characters then they could pick the top characters.
Check out my SC Lan pics Here: http://picasaweb.google.com/bunk.habit
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
February 23 2011 22:16 GMT
#885
On February 24 2011 07:04 shwaffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 06:32 Zeroes wrote:
On February 24 2011 05:11 PrideNeverDie wrote:
i think a ban/pick phase would help a lot in the competitive scene. it would force players to be more well-rounded and see more creative and interesting combos other than the usual type S.


This isn't DotA, get out of here with that. lol


MvC3 =/ other fighting games either, its good to keep an open mind

Ban/draft would be awesome for mvc3 since there are 3 characters to pick and you have to learn multiple characters anyway to make the best team.

Also draft would broaden the number of characters you see in high level play and increase the skill cap which all the pros are complaining about since the combo system and controls are dumbed down.

That would be an awful idea. Banning top characters just leads to the downward spiral of banning the next top characters. Coupled with the fact that this game is barely a week old, it would do nothing but slow down development.


um...no. Since the "top" characters all work well due to team synergy banning just 1 of them makes some teams unplayable - you either pick a brand new team to fight a different way or try a new character to compete with your other 2.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Wesso
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 22:18:56
February 23 2011 22:18 GMT
#886
On February 24 2011 06:32 Zeroes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 05:11 PrideNeverDie wrote:
i think a ban/pick phase would help a lot in the competitive scene. it would force players to be more well-rounded and see more creative and interesting combos other than the usual type S.


Show nested quote +
This isn't DotA, get out of here with that. lol


MvC3 =/ other fighting games either, its good to keep an open mind

Ban/draft would be awesome for mvc3 since there are 3 characters to pick and you have to learn multiple characters anyway to make the best team.

Also draft would broaden the number of characters you see in high level play and increase the skill cap which all the pros are complaining about since the combo system and controls are dumbed down.


It would be a pretty bad idea IMO. In fighting games, everything comes down to how well you know your character. The exact range, exact frame duration of every single move. Banning another persons best character is almost as bad as making him offrace in SC2. It is even worse in team games like MvC. The teams people play are balanced around eachother, if you ban one of the 3 characters, the player most likely needs to play an entirely different team.

Of course, it could be fun on a lower level, as an optional feature.
AlecPyron
Profile Joined May 2010
United States131 Posts
February 23 2011 22:32 GMT
#887
In theory this idea of ban/pick would be good, as they force players to learn more than 1 or 2 team combination, but in practice it doesn't work that way. Even in shallow fighting games, have to learn more than 3 characters at highest competitive level doesn't see practical.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
February 23 2011 22:37 GMT
#888
On February 24 2011 07:16 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 24 2011 07:04 shwaffles wrote:
On February 24 2011 06:32 Zeroes wrote:
On February 24 2011 05:11 PrideNeverDie wrote:
i think a ban/pick phase would help a lot in the competitive scene. it would force players to be more well-rounded and see more creative and interesting combos other than the usual type S.


This isn't DotA, get out of here with that. lol


MvC3 =/ other fighting games either, its good to keep an open mind

Ban/draft would be awesome for mvc3 since there are 3 characters to pick and you have to learn multiple characters anyway to make the best team.

Also draft would broaden the number of characters you see in high level play and increase the skill cap which all the pros are complaining about since the combo system and controls are dumbed down.

That would be an awful idea. Banning top characters just leads to the downward spiral of banning the next top characters. Coupled with the fact that this game is barely a week old, it would do nothing but slow down development.


um...no. Since the "top" characters all work well due to team synergy banning just 1 of them makes some teams unplayable - you either pick a brand new team to fight a different way or try a new character to compete with your other 2.


You would think so, but it doesn't progress like this. For example, in MvC2, all the low-tier teams used Tron's assist and most of them abused the shit out of one aspect of the character, aka run-while-building-meter then look for windows. Like Blackheart is considered a one dimensional top (1st or 2nd under god) tier character, but it doesn't make it any more creative, because you're essentially doing the same thing of trying to set up that punishing trap over and over and over again. You would think it would get more creative, but it really doesn't, it just gets more specialized and repetitive. You'll just see the next tier of teams being used and so on, it doesn't mean you are a more complete or skilled player either. If teams were the end all, then you wouldn't always see the same faces (relatively) at the live competitions finals.

Anyways, there was quite amount of history of all of the teams used in MvC2, including some that weren't considered good at its release (cough Storm cough), so give MvC3 some time before attempting to tinker and fix a system that you really don't know how it will play out.

PS - Team synergy is hilarious at this point in MvC3's release, by the pro-drafter's logic, at a similar point in MvC2's release, Strider, Doom, and Blackheart would all end up on someone's ban list in a competition.
Get it by your hands...
Rakanishu2
Profile Joined May 2009
United States475 Posts
February 23 2011 22:46 GMT
#889
On February 24 2011 05:13 TieN.nS) wrote:
This isn't DotA, get out of here with that. lol


Yea, games are required to be completely different in every aspect or it causes a black hole.
10 G's in the packet and I'm ready to roll, on fire like a rocket and I'm ready to blow
Trumpet
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States1936 Posts
February 23 2011 22:58 GMT
#890
Sometimes, these new ideas are worth consideration.

This isn't one of those times.

I'm not practicing the shit out of a character, learning a ton of different variations for enders, where you can roll, where to go to keep pressure, different setups etc. only to have you say "NO STORM LOLOLOL"

I'm sure marvel 2 would have been so much more entertaining if every time someone played sanford they just said "no sentinel!" or vs yipes "No magneto!"

Next, for the osl finals, we tell Jaedong "No, Mr.Dong, you now can only play Protoss lololololol"

We'll get MUCH higher level games that way, I'm sure.

Breesus Christ, I can't believe this discussion is even happening.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 23:00:38
February 23 2011 23:00 GMT
#891
please no ban pick phases... i liked* mvc2 the way it was* and adding in bans picks would only lower the skill levels since theres less opportunity for specialization
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
February 23 2011 23:02 GMT
#892
Lol ... you guys need to get in on the tournament scene, even if it's a local one, before commenting on these things. Bans is such utter nonsense at this point ... Learn to play first. In other words, learn how to get in, learn how to defend, learn how to punish. THEN, maybe then, comment about balance.
Ginseng
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States268 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-23 23:12:42
February 23 2011 23:10 GMT
#893
Oh you stream monsters are still so green. :D

Personally speaking, if you guys really want to improve, you would need to have some practice partners or groups to really train with. With the advent of sf4 and mvc3, there should be a lot more local gatherings or players wanting to get better at new-gen fighting games, so finding a scene shouldn't be too hard. Offline practice gives people so much more reward compared to online, and you get in-person feedback and a real sense of how you compare vs other players around your level.

Also, by playing in a more competitive setting (not online), you can learn a lot more about yourself as a player, and the community as a whole. You start making better decisions and judgement about the community around you.
Contact me via the following: Twitter: @notginseng | Discord: Ginseng#9638
TieN.nS)
Profile Joined August 2003
United States2131 Posts
February 23 2011 23:40 GMT
#894
On February 24 2011 07:58 Trumpet wrote:
Sometimes, these new ideas are worth consideration.

This isn't one of those times.

I'm not practicing the shit out of a character, learning a ton of different variations for enders, where you can roll, where to go to keep pressure, different setups etc. only to have you say "NO STORM LOLOLOL"

I'm sure marvel 2 would have been so much more entertaining if every time someone played sanford they just said "no sentinel!" or vs yipes "No magneto!"

Next, for the osl finals, we tell Jaedong "No, Mr.Dong, you now can only play Protoss lololololol"

We'll get MUCH higher level games that way, I'm sure.

Breesus Christ, I can't believe this discussion is even happening.


I definitely wasn't expecting any more posts about this when I clicked on the topic. lol. Desk comes up with some ridiculous shit and all people want to talk about is trying to shoehorn DotA conventions into other games?
blagoonga123
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States2068 Posts
February 24 2011 00:59 GMT
#895
I tried playing an online game where I spammed the crap out of Sentinel's lasers and Doom's hidden missiles. It worked extremely well. I had totally locked down one of his characters and already chipped away 50% of his life.

I felt completely bored and a little disgusted with myself though so I decided to play my own style. Turns out he was way better than me at that and I lost haha
FOOL! Pain is my friend! Now let me introduce you to it!
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-24 01:18:11
February 24 2011 01:17 GMT
#896
On February 24 2011 07:58 Trumpet wrote:
Sometimes, these new ideas are worth consideration.

This isn't one of those times.

I'm not practicing the shit out of a character, learning a ton of different variations for enders, where you can roll, where to go to keep pressure, different setups etc. only to have you say "NO STORM LOLOLOL"

I'm sure marvel 2 would have been so much more entertaining if every time someone played sanford they just said "no sentinel!" or vs yipes "No magneto!"

Next, for the osl finals, we tell Jaedong "No, Mr.Dong, you now can only play Protoss lololololol"

We'll get MUCH higher level games that way, I'm sure.

Breesus Christ, I can't believe this discussion is even happening.

Bans will happen over time. SF2Turbo Akuma was ignored at first, but people realized that he was severely broken, and thus proceeded to get banned from every tournament.

I think calling the banhammer now seems ill-informed.. I remember SFIV tournaments banned Seth, but it turned out that Sagat, not Seth, was OP.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 24 2011 01:19 GMT
#897
In case anyone wants to wathc, theres a tournament in new york going on right now

www.gamescast.tv/live/spooky
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
InfeSteD
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States4658 Posts
February 24 2011 01:52 GMT
#898
oh hes got that mango sentinel!!!!!!!!!!

MAKE IT RAIN!

SPIT ON THAT MOTHAFUCKA!

dude Im digging mvc3 a lil... ive had some fun wit doom and sentinel
w/e
itsben
Profile Joined July 2010
435 Posts
February 24 2011 02:13 GMT
#899
So the best way to beat dark phoenix is to get the lead and run away. Someone just did that on spooky's stream and ran away for 59 secs lol. Also jwong will be on again tonight on levelup stream.
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
February 24 2011 02:26 GMT
#900
Yeah, Wednesday Night Fights will be streamed again and those will be some great games as well.

Link to that (when its up) will be

www.gamescast.tv/live/lvlseries
Follow me: www.twitter.com/zlasher
Prev 1 43 44 45 46 47 126 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 19m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
FoxeR 87
ProTech70
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 751
Larva 351
firebathero 331
Dewaltoss 158
ggaemo 150
Hyun 95
NaDa 36
NotJumperer 4
League of Legends
JimRising 455
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_35
Other Games
gofns11543
FrodaN1481
WinterStarcraft601
CosmosSc2 77
QueenE46
ODPixel38
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1020
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 13
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH322
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2321
League of Legends
• Stunt618
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
19m
Serral vs SHIN
herO vs Solar
RSL Revival
1d
Clem vs ByuN
Rogue vs Lambo
OSC
1d 3h
Online Event
1d 6h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
INu's Battles
3 days
Cure vs herO
ByuN vs Rogue
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CrankTV Team League
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S3: W4
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E3

Ongoing

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W5
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Light Tournament 2026
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.