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On October 12 2013 16:25 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 15:43 Sufficiency wrote:
I just realized that Harbours no longer provides hammers on sea resources (moved to Lighthouse). How the fuck am I going to play Carthage on Pangaea now? 2K really needs to fix this. ? you get hammers quicker, you get longer range trade routers.
You don't get hammers from harbours anymore. You just get longer trade routes and +2 gold per trade route. I rather have the hammer any day.
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On October 12 2013 16:23 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 16:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba). In the worst case scenario, if you REALLY just want to win by domination, wait until Atomic Era, mass Bombers and Blitzkrieg it. Take as few cities as possible and only aim for the capitals. It'll be really easy on Prince. Make sure you go for Autocracy and get the double Strategic Resources. I generally try to be very aggressive and can take out 2-3 civilization before rushing artilery which is amazing since it the first long range weapon that can attack city without being attacked back. Which generally allow me to take out 1 more civilization and then I fall signifigantly behind on tech and lose the late game to something like space race. So it is better to just play passive and then win the late game?
I remember back in G&K I demonstrated a Mayan Pangaea domination victory on Immortal difficulty with only melee units (no cbow, no artillery, no air units). For a while everyone tried things like Honor opener + early rush... after repeated failures I realized the best way to do this is simply to ICS as the Mayans, out tech the AI, then crush them with units 1-2 eras ahead.
The point is, at the end of the day, no matter how handicapped you are on domination victory, you can always do it if you have a science lead.
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On October 12 2013 16:23 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 16:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba). In the worst case scenario, if you REALLY just want to win by domination, wait until Atomic Era, mass Bombers and Blitzkrieg it. Take as few cities as possible and only aim for the capitals. It'll be really easy on Prince. Make sure you go for Autocracy and get the double Strategic Resources. I generally try to be very aggressive and can take out 2-3 civilization before rushing artilery which is amazing since it the first long range weapon that can attack city without being attacked back. Which generally allow me to take out 1 more civilization and then I fall signifigantly behind on tech and lose the late game to something like space race. So it is better to just play passive and then win the late game?
You technically just have to take their starting city, so you can let them live which makes the world hate you a lot less. Just try to cripple them severely instead of eradicating completely. You'll also have less cities.
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On October 12 2013 16:41 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 16:25 Sub40APM wrote:On October 12 2013 15:43 Sufficiency wrote:
I just realized that Harbours no longer provides hammers on sea resources (moved to Lighthouse). How the fuck am I going to play Carthage on Pangaea now? 2K really needs to fix this. ? you get hammers quicker, you get longer range trade routers. You don't get hammers from harbours anymore. You just get longer trade routes and +2 gold per trade route. I rather have the hammer any day.
i meant, you get them via the light house.
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On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba).
In short words, the idea behind domination is about getting ahead in a military tech, kill someone (or everyone left in the case of late game military techs), restructure, repeat.
So, get composite bowmen, take closest neighbour capital. Rest until crossbows. Repeat. Rest until artillery, kill everyone left.
Or just rest in peace until artillery and kill everyone then.
Raze useless cities for happiness, keep only unique luxuries, ally mercantile CS, use ideology.
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On October 13 2013 08:35 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2013 16:23 SheaR619 wrote:On October 12 2013 16:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba). In the worst case scenario, if you REALLY just want to win by domination, wait until Atomic Era, mass Bombers and Blitzkrieg it. Take as few cities as possible and only aim for the capitals. It'll be really easy on Prince. Make sure you go for Autocracy and get the double Strategic Resources. I generally try to be very aggressive and can take out 2-3 civilization before rushing artilery which is amazing since it the first long range weapon that can attack city without being attacked back. Which generally allow me to take out 1 more civilization and then I fall signifigantly behind on tech and lose the late game to something like space race. So it is better to just play passive and then win the late game? You technically just have to take their starting city, so you can let them live which makes the world hate you a lot less. Just try to cripple them severely instead of eradicating completely. You'll also have less cities.
Better yet, keep your victim AI with only one city left - then bribe another AI to kill it. Attila preferred.
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On October 13 2013 10:53 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 08:35 Ropid wrote:On October 12 2013 16:23 SheaR619 wrote:On October 12 2013 16:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba). In the worst case scenario, if you REALLY just want to win by domination, wait until Atomic Era, mass Bombers and Blitzkrieg it. Take as few cities as possible and only aim for the capitals. It'll be really easy on Prince. Make sure you go for Autocracy and get the double Strategic Resources. I generally try to be very aggressive and can take out 2-3 civilization before rushing artilery which is amazing since it the first long range weapon that can attack city without being attacked back. Which generally allow me to take out 1 more civilization and then I fall signifigantly behind on tech and lose the late game to something like space race. So it is better to just play passive and then win the late game? You technically just have to take their starting city, so you can let them live which makes the world hate you a lot less. Just try to cripple them severely instead of eradicating completely. You'll also have less cities. Better yet, keep your victim AI with only one city left - then bribe another AI to kill it. Attila preferred.
haha! i kinda like this bribing theme when I asked months ago....
haven't played for months... i wonder how will i fare now...
your right... aim for science then wreck havoc when you reach bomber tech...
but still, would prefer TOTAL ANNIHILATION of cities than capturing the capital only...
"leave no city alive..."
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The new map pack sounds unimpressive to be quite honest.
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On October 15 2013 20:56 riyanme wrote:Show nested quote +On October 13 2013 10:53 Sufficiency wrote:On October 13 2013 08:35 Ropid wrote:On October 12 2013 16:23 SheaR619 wrote:On October 12 2013 16:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba). In the worst case scenario, if you REALLY just want to win by domination, wait until Atomic Era, mass Bombers and Blitzkrieg it. Take as few cities as possible and only aim for the capitals. It'll be really easy on Prince. Make sure you go for Autocracy and get the double Strategic Resources. I generally try to be very aggressive and can take out 2-3 civilization before rushing artilery which is amazing since it the first long range weapon that can attack city without being attacked back. Which generally allow me to take out 1 more civilization and then I fall signifigantly behind on tech and lose the late game to something like space race. So it is better to just play passive and then win the late game? You technically just have to take their starting city, so you can let them live which makes the world hate you a lot less. Just try to cripple them severely instead of eradicating completely. You'll also have less cities. Better yet, keep your victim AI with only one city left - then bribe another AI to kill it. Attila preferred. haha! i kinda like this bribing theme when I asked months ago.... haven't played for months... i wonder how will i fare now... your right... aim for science then wreck havoc when you reach bomber tech... but still, would prefer TOTAL ANNIHILATION of cities than capturing the capital only... "leave no city alive..."
That would take ages on Deity due to the AI spamming cities
You can make a dedicated server but there aren't some offered by Firaxis/Steam. It still requires someone to run the server on a computer 24/7. Only difference I guess is ressource consumption, my guess being the dedicated server using SDK probably doesn't need too big of a computer. You can probably now also run the game on another machine without having your account dedicated to it.
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So I only got the Gods and Kings addon but even though Steam did an update on my game today. Where the heck are patchnotes for G&K's changes?
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On October 17 2013 07:00 rezoacken wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2013 20:56 riyanme wrote:On October 13 2013 10:53 Sufficiency wrote:On October 13 2013 08:35 Ropid wrote:On October 12 2013 16:23 SheaR619 wrote:On October 12 2013 16:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba). In the worst case scenario, if you REALLY just want to win by domination, wait until Atomic Era, mass Bombers and Blitzkrieg it. Take as few cities as possible and only aim for the capitals. It'll be really easy on Prince. Make sure you go for Autocracy and get the double Strategic Resources. I generally try to be very aggressive and can take out 2-3 civilization before rushing artilery which is amazing since it the first long range weapon that can attack city without being attacked back. Which generally allow me to take out 1 more civilization and then I fall signifigantly behind on tech and lose the late game to something like space race. So it is better to just play passive and then win the late game? You technically just have to take their starting city, so you can let them live which makes the world hate you a lot less. Just try to cripple them severely instead of eradicating completely. You'll also have less cities. Better yet, keep your victim AI with only one city left - then bribe another AI to kill it. Attila preferred. haha! i kinda like this bribing theme when I asked months ago.... haven't played for months... i wonder how will i fare now... your right... aim for science then wreck havoc when you reach bomber tech... but still, would prefer TOTAL ANNIHILATION of cities than capturing the capital only... "leave no city alive..." That would take ages on Deity due to the AI spamming cities You can make a dedicated server but there aren't some offered by Firaxis/Steam. It still requires someone to run the server on a computer 24/7. Only difference I guess is ressource consumption, my guess being the dedicated server using SDK probably doesn't need too big of a computer. You can probably now also run the game on another machine without having your account dedicated to it.
Ah, are they going to add official servers?
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On October 17 2013 15:39 Torte de Lini wrote:Show nested quote +On October 17 2013 07:00 rezoacken wrote:On October 15 2013 20:56 riyanme wrote:On October 13 2013 10:53 Sufficiency wrote:On October 13 2013 08:35 Ropid wrote:On October 12 2013 16:23 SheaR619 wrote:On October 12 2013 16:11 Sufficiency wrote:On October 12 2013 16:03 SheaR619 wrote:
Is this game even possible to win by domination? It seems so hard to win like this. The more you war, the more everyone hates you and your people hates you. The more you conquer, your unhappiness increase. Seems very problematic to win like this, and your science also has a hard time developing too if you war so you eventually fall behind tech late game right? Any tip on how to win like this on a normal size map against 6-8 players, computer on normal difficulity (I tried higher difficulty but unhappiness too imba). In the worst case scenario, if you REALLY just want to win by domination, wait until Atomic Era, mass Bombers and Blitzkrieg it. Take as few cities as possible and only aim for the capitals. It'll be really easy on Prince. Make sure you go for Autocracy and get the double Strategic Resources. I generally try to be very aggressive and can take out 2-3 civilization before rushing artilery which is amazing since it the first long range weapon that can attack city without being attacked back. Which generally allow me to take out 1 more civilization and then I fall signifigantly behind on tech and lose the late game to something like space race. So it is better to just play passive and then win the late game? You technically just have to take their starting city, so you can let them live which makes the world hate you a lot less. Just try to cripple them severely instead of eradicating completely. You'll also have less cities. Better yet, keep your victim AI with only one city left - then bribe another AI to kill it. Attila preferred. haha! i kinda like this bribing theme when I asked months ago.... haven't played for months... i wonder how will i fare now... your right... aim for science then wreck havoc when you reach bomber tech... but still, would prefer TOTAL ANNIHILATION of cities than capturing the capital only... "leave no city alive..." That would take ages on Deity due to the AI spamming cities You can make a dedicated server but there aren't some offered by Firaxis/Steam. It still requires someone to run the server on a computer 24/7. Only difference I guess is ressource consumption, my guess being the dedicated server using SDK probably doesn't need too big of a computer. You can probably now also run the game on another machine without having your account dedicated to it. Ah, are they going to add official servers?
Doubt it but who knows
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Tried playing Germany with the new patch. It's a LOT better than the old Germany. Haas Banks are not too great because you still have to trade with City States to get 5% production per. But if you want to go to war, it's fairly interesting because you can switch all your trade routes to City States and go nuts. Germany is probably high tier now.
I am curious as to why they didn't buff Sweden or Byzantium. I think those civs need big help.
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Glad to see they made Diplo victory harder... still sounds like the easiest type of victory though. Haven't tried the new patch yet, burned out from ~1500 hours played lol. Been some good recent times for TBS games though, wow. Just found out about the GalCiv III announcement too...
http://forums.galciv3.com/448971
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Endless Space is currently on sale at 8$. If you like civ, it has a lot of it... in space, especially on the colony side of things.
Might worth giving it a try.
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Shoshore + Settler + Sacred Site is hilarious.
Also I am pretty sure Organized Religion is bugged now. Doesn't give +1 Faith.
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AI:"Thinking of Science Victory? Well fuck you I am gonna make every single AI adopt Autocracy."
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dam its hard to find a good multiplayer game...
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So if you try war monger it becomes everyone against you. No matter if some leaders enjoy war mongering.
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