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Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
May 02 2015 15:46 GMT
#841
Yeah, they are surprisingly common... that's the worst part.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-05 14:45:45
May 05 2015 14:40 GMT
#842
Is anyone still playing in WAML? Trying to find a game is nightmare for me. Although much flexible, I almost prefer the organizers to set out fixed "playing times" so I can tell for sure my ability to participate instead of coincidentally trying to come across 4~5 people at the same time on IRC (this would not be problem should forum be active, but it seems effectively dead due to poor communication where about half of the participants don't seem to realize it exists).
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
May 05 2015 14:46 GMT
#843
On May 03 2015 00:46 Hesmyrr wrote:
Yeah, they are surprisingly common... that's the worst part.

Seems so. Just dealt into one (he was tenpai on turn 5). Double Ron too.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
May 05 2015 17:07 GMT
#844
On May 05 2015 23:40 Hesmyrr wrote:
Is anyone still playing in WAML? Trying to find a game is nightmare for me. Although much flexible, I almost prefer the organizers to set out fixed "playing times" so I can tell for sure my ability to participate instead of coincidentally trying to come across 4~5 people at the same time on IRC (this would not be problem should forum be active, but it seems effectively dead due to poor communication where about half of the participants don't seem to realize it exists).


Yeah I dropped out
I thin it would've been better if the organizer just set fixed times
And then work from there I suppose

Still it is tough to get people from all over the place to do things
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
May 06 2015 11:40 GMT
#845
On May 06 2015 02:07 JSH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2015 23:40 Hesmyrr wrote:
Is anyone still playing in WAML? Trying to find a game is nightmare for me. Although much flexible, I almost prefer the organizers to set out fixed "playing times" so I can tell for sure my ability to participate instead of coincidentally trying to come across 4~5 people at the same time on IRC (this would not be problem should forum be active, but it seems effectively dead due to poor communication where about half of the participants don't seem to realize it exists).


Yeah I dropped out
I thin it would've been better if the organizer just set fixed times
And then work from there I suppose

Still it is tough to get people from all over the place to do things


WAML years ago used to be a more chaotic system, where anyone who plays in the 7447 room ends up getting their points compiled. That old system encouraged a lot of play in there, but to top the point standings, all that required was a lot of game play. Unfortunately, that ends up skewing a lot of results considerably.

Now, as for the current system... I can't speak for the organizer; but I'm presuming, that it was intended to produce results in a more "controlled" fashion - where every player has N-games to play.

If you ask me, a hybrid system might very well be possible. Players come in at a fixed and pre-arranged time on a weekly basis. Those who come end up participating and getting their records compiled.

Oh well, it's something to think about.
Rhaegar99
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia1190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-06 11:46:27
May 06 2015 11:45 GMT
#846
I didn't participate but I prefer how it was done in the previous seasons where you just queue and wait for games to start. It just needed some work with its point system. I stopped playing in their leagues though since the competition is just way too soft for me (no offense). I just prefer to queue up against ladder.
Rhaegar99
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Australia1190 Posts
May 31 2015 12:43 GMT
#847
Another end to a month. Hit 6dan and been kinda breaking even since then.
六段 1170 / 2400pt R1975
9+15+8+7 = 39戦
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-04 15:41:15
June 04 2015 15:39 GMT
#848
I was hoping to get there by the end of the month... but then I went 5-2-0-1.
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Sadly I was durdling around on 2/3 dan for so long that my rating has taken a huge hit. Now I'm around 1700 and at this rate I might hit 5 dan before I get to 1800 rating.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
JSH
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4109 Posts
June 04 2015 15:54 GMT
#849
Gratz!

I'm hovering around 1k points myself
Hopefully I'll be in 4Dan at some point

Although my rating is like 1670 lol
"It's called a miracle because it doesn't happen" - Just like my chances of reaching C- on ICCUP
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
June 04 2015 16:49 GMT
#850
Congratulations! Like everyone is becoming better than me
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
June 10 2015 17:43 GMT
#851
Even I got to 4D and getting comfortable in it.

Anyways, I'm crazy enough to go on a road trip to Montreal this weekend to play here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Mahjong/comments/36iz57/reminder_1st_north_american_riichi_open_this_june/

Canadian drivers better be nice.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-10 18:18:05
June 10 2015 18:16 GMT
#852
On June 11 2015 02:43 KyuuSC wrote:
Even I got to 4D and getting comfortable in it.

Anyways, I'm crazy enough to go on a road trip to Montreal this weekend to play here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Mahjong/comments/36iz57/reminder_1st_north_american_riichi_open_this_june/

Canadian drivers better be nice.

Are those rules based on some big japanese tourney format or are they as random as they seem to me?
What the hell is "no abortive draws", anyways? So what do you do when the 6th kan is declared?
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
June 11 2015 07:23 GMT
#853
On June 11 2015 03:16 spinesheath wrote:Are those rules based on some big japanese tourney format or are they as random as they seem to me?
What the hell is "no abortive draws", anyways? So what do you do when the 6th kan is declared?


They're somewhat a modified version of the World Riichi Rules. No abortive draws... they're all turned off. But the extra kan thing -- hope it doesn't happen. But good question. I don't know the answer to that.
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
June 11 2015 16:08 GMT
#854
On June 11 2015 16:23 KyuuSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 03:16 spinesheath wrote:Are those rules based on some big japanese tourney format or are they as random as they seem to me?
What the hell is "no abortive draws", anyways? So what do you do when the 6th kan is declared?


They're somewhat a modified version of the World Riichi Rules. No abortive draws... they're all turned off. But the extra kan thing -- hope it doesn't happen. But good question. I don't know the answer to that.

Don't worry, the chances of that happening are slim. As are the chances of kazoe yakuman (especially without aka dora) and double yakuman...
Well, unless everyone is going for super high value hands all the time.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Archon_Wing
Profile Joined May 2004
United States378 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-11 17:29:06
June 11 2015 17:26 GMT
#855
I'm guessing additional kans would just not be possible.

The rules are pretty bizarre, and touch upon some obscure scenarios seemingly just for the hell of it, such as the kozoe yakuman.

Although the one that makes no sense to me is:

Last-hand riichi sticks are removed from the game.


So does that mean if you declare riichi in the last hand, your 1000 pts is gone even if you win, or does it mean that the riichi sticks that were already deposited are lost if all last ends in a draw and the game ends.

And the game ending at south 4 is really vague too. Does it end if dealer wins or is tenpai when they're 1st, or what?
Nothing witty here atm
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-12 19:14:42
June 11 2015 20:08 GMT
#856
I am also considering dropping in for the tournament, but I have not registered due to online transactions being difficult for me and I am not sure they'll have space for someone who will randomly show up at the morning. Besides the fact that it is tentative whether I'll even have enough free time. Only if the tournament had been just one week later....

Edit: can't make it unfortunately.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
June 16 2015 14:21 GMT
#857
On June 11 2015 02:43 KyuuSC wrote:
Even I got to 4D and getting comfortable in it.

Anyways, I'm crazy enough to go on a road trip to Montreal this weekend to play here:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Mahjong/comments/36iz57/reminder_1st_north_american_riichi_open_this_june/

Canadian drivers better be nice.

So how was the event?
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
KyuuSC
Profile Joined March 2012
United States36 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-18 18:50:42
June 18 2015 18:11 GMT
#858
On June 16 2015 23:21 Hesmyrr wrote:So how was the event?


It was a worthwhile trip - a nice 1,800 mile (almost 3000 km) drive. The drive allowed me access to the Detroit Mahjong Club and the Waterloo Mahjong Club along the way. Good thing I did not book a flight.

Now, I'm not sure what part of Canada you're from, but it may be a good worthwhile point to go to next year's. Next year's date is tentatively set already.
http://osamuko.com/results-of-the-1st-north-american-riichi-open-in-montreal-ca/

Regrettably, I already declared my absence to next year due to an intent to spreading myself around. My travel per year is very limited, and I'd like to check out other mahjong groups (or events) on this continent.

As for the event itself, my only main complaint would be the tournament size of 12-players; but at the very least, the player quality makes up for the low attendance numbers. On the Tenhou scale, the upper level players are well into the 3-dan to 5-dan range. Only a few, I'd classify at 2-dan or below. This assessment is based more on noticeable play-styles rather than results. Competition was tight; and conventional mahjong tactics are considered during the game, including factoring point differences. Being there, it felt like a professional tournament by North American standards. Essentially, I found myself generally playing the style at WRMA: http://arcturus.su/wiki/World_Riichi_Mahjong_League

As for the results, they're available here:
http://arcturus.su/wiki/1st_North_American_Riichi_Open#Results

For other aspects of the event:

The hospitality was great. My main regret here is not necessarily talking enough with the Montreal club. Being an Osamuko guy, I ended up leaning more towards the other Osamuko guys. After all, we have our own little circle there. Yet, at the post game dinners on both days, we managed to hang out at a couple of local restaurants to do some nice socializing there. At the very least, it was a pleasure there and then. There was at least one player, who was of particular interest due to his funny antics. It was fun joking around with him at the tournament tables. In the end, we were all happy to be around each other after some fairly played games.

The mahjong discussion was great, with a big focus on the effort to providing mahjong information to the general public. After all, most publications are in Japanese. So, access is limited in this department, for those (like me) who are illiterate in Japanese. I wish I had taken notes; but I'll continue the work in the Wiki instead.

Overall, I was glad to have gone. Much fun was had; and I felt like I belonged there. If I could, I'd do it again; but once again, I need to spread myself out -- particularly to the West Coast (Seattle and/or San Fran.) Until then, I need to up my game.
Trundle
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada9 Posts
June 18 2015 19:40 GMT
#859
On June 11 2015 16:23 KyuuSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 11 2015 03:16 spinesheath wrote:Are those rules based on some big japanese tourney format or are they as random as they seem to me?
What the hell is "no abortive draws", anyways? So what do you do when the 6th kan is declared?


They're somewhat a modified version of the World Riichi Rules. No abortive draws... they're all turned off. But the extra kan thing -- hope it doesn't happen. But good question. I don't know the answer to that.


There were no abortive draws (9 terminals, 4 initial same winds, 4 riichi, 4 kans) for two reasons: one being the most tournaments disallow them (not just WRC2014), the other being that they are a pain in the ass to deal with.

6 kans is impossible, as is 5. 4 never even happened at the tournament (3 separate was the most): not having abortive draws would increase the chance of sankantsu scoring (somewhat negligeable), and anyone daring to call a fifth would be told to take his tiles back, as nothing more than "broadcasting information" to his own detriment.
I'm gonna crush your dreams! They're in your skull, right?
Trundle
Profile Joined January 2015
Canada9 Posts
June 18 2015 19:45 GMT
#860
As for WAML, it's pretty much dead, we'll have to figure out what to do with the scores in place, and do something different. I'm willing to pass the reins off on that one. Trying to run a distributed grid like that across any area with more than 2 time zones (so not Canada, the US, EU+Russia, or in this specific instance: the entire planet) is bound to fail. As Top Gear says, ambitious but rubbish.

At least the live tournament last weekend was ambitious but successful. Would have liked to have more than 12 participants though: next year's edition is already (90%) scheduled for June 4-5, 2016. No excuses, show up
I'm gonna crush your dreams! They're in your skull, right?
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