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Mogwai
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Lt_Anarchy
United States38 Posts
On May 15 2010 02:07 Zato-1 wrote: Ghostblade + Brutalizer CD reductions don't stack if I'm not mistaken (UNIQUE passive: 15% CD reduction and UNIQUE passive: 10% CD reduction respectively). Agree 100%. She's a competent support champion, but she's like the Dwarven Sniper from DotA in that she's so deliciously gankable. I disagree with tier 3. Her ult's low cooldown and her being ranged makes her exceptional at being great mid. I never have a problem laning against someone, take boots if they have skillshot such as ez, aniv, karth, kennen, and etc... or take doran's blade if trist, sivir, or tf. Use w to keep your range and harass with her 100% crit when possible. If you can't gank your lane, then shoot it down the allies. The low cooldown makes the side lanes have a really great chance of landing kills before team push time. And since you don't have to leave mid to use it then you can push while helping with the ganks. However her lack of map control and lack of burst due to e sucking, makes her tier 2. Map awareness and kiting ability is a must to stop her from being ganked. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
Sivir and TF and Twitch are notoriously terrible solo mids, and Ashe is well known for being a hard-counter to Sivir anyways. Map awareness and kiting ability do jack to jumper heroes like Jax Nidalee Shen Ezreal Akali Pantheon or to ranged stunners/harassers like Annie. I repeat; she will only beat idiots solo mid, or she needs to invest in an Elixir of Fortitude right off the bat. Her DPS is sorely lacking compared to every single other ranged DPS in the game, so she's a slow support hero. She's great if the other team plays a very prototypical (and obsolete) Alistar initiator build, or something without good jumper heroes or ranged snares - in essence, she punishes bad team builds (and/or pub teams). Against any sort of coordinated team, though, she's just not good. Like, really not good. Edit: Which is probably being harsh because I have her tier 3, which is middle of the pack. Her biggest uses are being a real dick to non-jumping melee initiators (Udyr, Alistar, Nasus, primarily), a decent stun, and her ability to blow off Banshee's Veil (which makes her useful for like, Blitzcrank, who will love you forever and ever). | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
EDIT: but yea, you're right, she's only good against the wrong heroes mid. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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Lt_Anarchy
United States38 Posts
On May 15 2010 04:41 Southlight wrote: Trist kills her. Annie kills her. Kat destroys her. Nid destroys her. Anivia destroys her at level 6. Ez outbursts her in a bad way. Kennen I have no idea, he's not a good hero anyways and is a waste solo mid. Karthus is 50-50 cuz a good Karthus destroys most heroes anyways while a mediocre/bad one is just really passive. A good Corki destroys her (too much burst). Zilean eats her alive. So does Janna. Gangplank starves her. Pantheon destroys her. I could go on and on. Sivir and TF and Twitch are notoriously terrible solo mids, and Ashe is well known for being a hard-counter to Sivir anyways. Map awareness and kiting ability do jack to jumper heroes like Jax Nidalee Shen Ezreal Akali Pantheon or to ranged stunners/harassers like Annie. I repeat; she will only beat idiots solo mid, or she needs to invest in an Elixir of Fortitude right off the bat. Her DPS is sorely lacking compared to every single other ranged DPS in the game, so she's a slow support hero. She's great if the other team plays a very prototypical (and obsolete) Alistar initiator build, or something without good jumper heroes or ranged snares - in essence, she punishes bad team builds (and/or pub teams). Against any sort of coordinated team, though, she's just not good. Like, really not good. I don't lose those heroes, and I could state why to each, but that isn't of matter. She doesn't need to land that kill mid. Granted she does lose to a great coordinated team, thats why I give her tier 2, because the great are tier 1. The tier 1 combinations are just extremely overpowering. For example run Jax and Janna together, Nidalee in 1v2 lane, Shen jungle, and Ez mid. It is almost a guaranteed win. With Janna's support and cc, Shen's cc and tank, 2 support dps, and Jax you can plow down almost all combos and can push till no end. I do like Ashe in similar environment though with ez laning with janna, and her taking mid. The cc and range of the team really makes it hard even for a coordinated team, due to the large amount of harass that they eat in the process of pushing and the ability for them to get close enough to jump. Something of interest is that after 1100 games with about 600 of those being premade, I still find some losses completely baffling. Loss to an annie, kennen, gangplank, chogath, and fiddle team. Our attempts to get magic res failed to fix the burst problem. The amount off cc in every team fight was just too much, and their timing was impeccable. Annie would initiate(their solo) leaving us to burn cleanse but be instantly re cced by kennen with gp's ult raining down. Chog cc and silence, combined with fiddle's silence just left us complety out of control. Even after banshee's and merc tread's it just didn't make a difference. I forget the setup we ran, but it wasn't an extremely bad one. So much cc and burst. | ||
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Mogwai
United States13274 Posts
On May 15 2010 05:04 Lt_Anarchy wrote: I don't lose those heroes, and I could state why to each, but that isn't of matter. She doesn't need to land that kill mid. Granted she does lose to a great coordinated team, thats why I give her tier 2, because the great are tier 1. The tier 1 combinations are just extremely overpowering. For example run Jax and Janna together, Nidalee in 1v2 lane, Shen jungle, and Ez mid. It is almost a guaranteed win. With Janna's support and cc, Shen's cc and tank, 2 support dps, and Jax you can plow down almost all combos and can push till no end. I do like Ashe in similar environment though with ez laning with janna, and her taking mid. The cc and range of the team really makes it hard even for a coordinated team, due to the large amount of harass that they eat in the process of pushing and the ability for them to get close enough to jump. Something of interest is that after 1100 games with about 600 of those being premade, I still find some losses completely baffling. Loss to an annie, kennen, gangplank, chogath, and fiddle team. Our attempts to get magic res failed to fix the burst problem. The amount off cc in every team fight was just too much, and their timing was impeccable. Annie would initiate(their solo) leaving us to burn cleanse but be instantly re cced by kennen with gp's ult raining down. Chog cc and silence, combined with fiddle's silence just left us complety out of control. Even after banshee's and merc tread's it just didn't make a difference. I forget the setup we ran, but it wasn't an extremely bad one. So much cc and burst. We should play Ashe vs. Pantheon mid some time then :D. And as we keep saying in this thread, MR doesn't counter most casters because of how much magic penetration they can get relatively easily. It's also an entirely AoE team, so you should've just forced them to defend 3 places at once instead of conventional teamfighting. | ||
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Southlight
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MetalMarine
United States1559 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On May 15 2010 07:52 MetalMarine wrote: LOL just dled this game.. played the tutorial and some practice games.. How can you change the minimap to the left side? After many many of dota/hon... its impossible for me to play with the minimap on the right side. You can't. I wish I could make it smaller, lot of times when I'm trying to escape I click the minimap on accident and run towards the enemy. | ||
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Southlight
United States11768 Posts
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Is that a joke or does it actually do something? | ||
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Southlight
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
 Was hoping you'd get some ultra awesome combo if you had 3 ninjas. NinjaTron or somethin. | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
I'm not sure if this would work, but I can't think of any other hero for whom it's even a question. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On May 15 2010 08:35 HazMat wrote: What does it mean by "Shen is a flipping ninja." Is that a joke or does it actually do something? This site was popular like 10 years ago: REAL Ultimate Power!!!! It had facts about ninjas, like these: Facts: 1. Ninjas are mammals. 2. Ninjas fight ALL the time. 3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people. The site itself is pretty hilarious, you should check it out. | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
On May 15 2010 09:26 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: This site was popular like 10 years ago: REAL Ultimate Power!!!! It had facts about ninjas, like these: The site itself is pretty hilarious, you should check it out. When he said "Ninjas are totally sweet" I started reading it in day9's voice. Anyways, what's better for a tank shen build. Leviathon or sunfire capes? | ||
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oberon
United States1320 Posts
On May 15 2010 09:48 HazMat wrote: When he said "Ninjas are totally sweet" I started reading it in day9's voice. Anyways, what's better for a tank shen build. Leviathon or sunfire capes? Unclear. Levi was massively popular before "two stacks for an assist" went away, but after "healing or helping team members gets you an assist" came in. Not sure there's a consensus post levi-nerf (un-buff?). | ||
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HazMat
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FlameSworD
United States414 Posts
Sivir and TF and Twitch are notoriously terrible solo mids, and Ashe is well known for being a hard-counter to Sivir anyways. [/quote] but i won like 7 games in a row with solo mid sivir ;( | ||
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