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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 04 2010 23:12 GMT
#3581
I'm not disputing both is great; he implied that he was leveling rup spike rup spike rup ult rup spike rup spike ult spike etc. which, don't kid yourself, a lot of Chos do, and it's f-ing retarded.
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Malderon
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands136 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 01:16:22
May 05 2010 01:07 GMT
#3582
On May 05 2010 00:51 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Also, I mained Chogath and only played him for about 400 games or so before trying a carry out and realizing how much easier the game was when I played a "good" hero.
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As a side effect, I swear I'm the best Chogath player in the game.


How good a hero would you guys consider Cho'Gath to be? I find him capable enough, but relatively difficult to play. But then, other champions don't have the satisfaction that succesfully biting people's heads off and shouting OM NOM NOM NOM gives.

Regarding your build, I find it beneficial to get Warmog's first if the team as a whole is having a rough start. Of course, this severely limits the stacks one gets, but if the team can't help you get kills and stay alive anyway, Leviathan and Mejaj's are quite useless, and I'd much rather get a Warmog's, so at least I'm sturdy enough to have a chance of actually eating someone.

Also, is it true Cho'Gath's model keeps growing in size with succesful feasts after obtaining six stacks? Now that I think of it, in games in which I do well, I do get the feeling Cho is actually bigger.

Edit: As for the MFing Cho'Gath, I find it a hilariously fuhn build, tweaked with an earlier rank of Scream. But it's effectiveness at forcing the enemy to hit you is psychological for an important part, because you have been eating them and causing fear and confusion all game, not to mention taunting them in /all chat. But of course, if you stack only tank items, capable players will just target your squishier team mates insead.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
May 05 2010 01:23 GMT
#3583
cho'gath used to still be somewhat viable because he is a tank that can jungle. same with malphite, udyr, etc


then shen came.
Brees on in
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 01:24:26
May 05 2010 01:23 GMT
#3584
I think Cho'Gath is pretty ignorable aside from his Silence, tbh. It's been several hundred games since I was in an Elo bracket where Cho'Gath could actually dominate people, personally. I've seen some okay ones but they all had trouble treading the line between damage (AP) and survivability (HP). Rupture + Silence is a great combo, but his initiation ability is nowhere close to Malphite and Alistar, neither of whom are really considered at the tier of Shen anyways, and ofc Cho is worse at initiation than Malph/Alist/Amumu and has less overall utility than Shen...

He's more of an off-tank nuker, IMO, kinda like a tanky Veigar. Both of them do some nice AP damage, both of them can boom kill one person, neither of them are very effective at their supposed role (Veigar sucks as a nuker, as it takes him too long to get to it, and he's outclassed severely by Annie in terms of speed) but they're okay in the "whatever" slots.

His model only grows up to 6 feasts, but it grows each time he successfully eats something.

Edit:
Rofl, see above for the tl;dr version of my post :D :D :D
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oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
May 05 2010 01:36 GMT
#3585
Is Shen really considered the best tank now? I find his ability to initiate inferior to Alistar/Malphite, and would rank him on the same level as Cho (Rupture being about as effective for initiating as taunt-dash).
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 05 2010 01:40 GMT
#3586
His map control and the (unnecessary) buff to feint make him very distinctly a #1 IMO.
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Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 01:52:15
May 05 2010 01:46 GMT
#3587
On May 03 2010 05:03 InsideTheBox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 03 2010 04:46 G0dly wrote:
there's a TL HON tourney going but no LOL tourney?

we should have one for LOL


We don't have that large of a player base. If we did hold a tournament, it'd be like 30 people tops.


Going on with this idea there seems to only be abour 35+ in the HoN tournament (then again HoN going retail in about a week so o_o). Likewise I don't know the skill levels around our server well enough =/ though I guess someone who knows better could make more balanced teams...? Anyone interested (I can't really organize this as I don't even know what times most people play).?

To be on topic with the tanks I think Shen can more easily fulfill his role as taunt works well as a semi silence and snare, but in terms of actually tanking I think Alistar is better. Pretty sure Shen's ult can be stopped if you kill him/target before he actually warps (correct me if I'm wrong) but when its just chasing and shen ults in, taunts -> 1v2 situation for easy ganks he's your man...
BeSt[WHITE] Have a great retirement | "SKT is best KT." - Vortok | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7190/ep24hitcombo2small.gif
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
May 05 2010 02:02 GMT
#3588
shen damage output, his ult and his taunt is good. plus alot of people find him more fun then alistar
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Shinshady
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1237 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 02:22:35
May 05 2010 02:07 GMT
#3589
I have to agree completely.... I don't like the feel when I play most tank characters.... can anyone suggest one for me to main? I'm thinking Shen but he's common and other players might use him... but if thats what you think then I'll play Shen. Is Garen any decent as a tank? Or should he be strictly played DPS? I'm thinking of getting him instead possibly.

Also if anyones's interested... in a team tourney.... http://gamebattles.com/pc/league-of-legends/
BeSt[WHITE] Have a great retirement | "SKT is best KT." - Vortok | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/7190/ep24hitcombo2small.gif
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
May 05 2010 02:52 GMT
#3590
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong, I do NOT think Cho is top tier, and Shen is hands-down the best tank in the game. I do think Cho is underrated because nobody can play him at high ELO, though.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 03:11:04
May 05 2010 03:07 GMT
#3591
Also to address some other points, no, Cho only grows per stack BUT each level of feast skill you have makes a stack bigger (i.e. at level 16 when you put your third point into feast your model and hp get bigger without adding a stack).

Open Rod intead of Warmog's if you want HP. Opening Warmog's on Cho is probably the worst thing you can do because it makes you harmless (not useless, but imagine if your ruptures and screams actually did damage!). Cho's time to shine is mid-lategame, but after a certain point someone has to take over. You're a counterpick that can only carry from minute 15-35. To do that you need to get at least 9 stacks on mejai's.

The great thing about AP Cho hybrid builds is that vorpal spikes has a .5 AP ratio on it. I can't check that cuz I'm on a DS but I'm pretty confident it's .5 or better. In general Cho scales great with AP, especially rupture.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 05 2010 03:43 GMT
#3592
On May 05 2010 11:07 Shinshady wrote:
I have to agree completely.... I don't like the feel when I play most tank characters.... can anyone suggest one for me to main? I'm thinking Shen but he's common and other players might use him... but if thats what you think then I'll play Shen. Is Garen any decent as a tank? Or should he be strictly played DPS? I'm thinking of getting him instead possibly.

Also if anyones's interested... in a team tourney.... http://gamebattles.com/pc/league-of-legends/

Garen's an off tank that sucks at initiating :p I've been playing him a lot recently and like, I dunno, he's OK but he just feels so outclassed at everything he can do. DPS builds suck because of the poor scaling on his bladestorm. he's an ok tank though I guess cause of courage and built in damage output.
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
May 05 2010 03:52 GMT
#3593
I feel like to play garen, you really need a LOT of movement speed so that you have the mobility to go around flanking in a teamfight. Garen sucks pretty hardcore if you run in from the front, but the low-health squishy people at the back are perfect pickings for Garen, who can go in, kill someone off, silence someone, and then have the bulk to get out alive.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-05 04:28:31
May 05 2010 04:27 GMT
#3594
um, sorta... I mean, you usually need to be in the front, depending on team comp, so that you can suck up a bunch of damage with courage. his ult is also best at killing tanks since it scales with flat hp missing, not %hp missing. but yes, you need a lot of movespeed with him, I rock out with my 0/9/21 masteries, and move speed quints + dodge runes (for more nimbleness triggers). Build is also boots first just so at level 3 you can really cut people up with level 2 judgement. then levithan, then usually aegis, optimally into frozen mallet follow by atma's but it's all really game dependent after levi. Oh yea, and merc treads are a given. I tried boots3 and it's just not worth it, treads or tabi are always best.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
May 05 2010 04:32 GMT
#3595
===Pantheon===
* Added a new sound to Heartseeker Spear.
* Players are no longer able to cast summoner spells while Pantheon is falling from the sky in Grand Skyfall.
* Heartseeker Strike
** Reduced the cooldown to 26/24/22/20/18 from 30/28/26/24/22.

That should make u happy mog
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
May 05 2010 05:18 GMT
#3596
not really... I mean, I appreciate the CD reduction, but it's not suddenly going to fix the issues with his base stats or his three other skills scaling horribly to end game :\.

and while i get why they took summoner spells out of his ult, it does take away one of the finesse points to playing him right now...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
May 05 2010 05:26 GMT
#3597
oh im retarded, for some reason I thought it meant that the enemy couldnt cast any summoner spells while Pantheon was falling, meaning they couldnt flash out of it.
Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
May 05 2010 05:27 GMT
#3598
On May 05 2010 10:23 Southlight wrote:
His model only grows up to 6 feasts, but it grows each time he successfully eats something.


Pretty sure this is false. Once you have level 3 Feast and 6 stacks, you are maxed out in size.
This signature is ruining eSports.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
May 05 2010 05:33 GMT
#3599
What? I mean 6 feast stacks, of course o_O Why is the level of the ult any sort of confusion?
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Khenra
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands885 Posts
May 05 2010 05:45 GMT
#3600
I thought you meant that he still grows after 6 stacks

And higher level ult is bigger Cho'Gath.
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