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Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
April 23 2010 01:31 GMT
#3201
so, the thing about characters that actually do insane DPS is that they all have a skill that assists that by buffing their AS or AD.... Ashe does not, hence why she doesn't actually carry well. Oh yea and her base stat growth is worse too.
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Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
April 23 2010 01:32 GMT
#3202
why exactly is everyone hating on ashe?
Baikinman
Profile Joined January 2010
United States74 Posts
April 23 2010 01:34 GMT
#3203
because u have to pay to get the big titty Ashe
はっひふっへほ~♪
Frolossus
Profile Joined February 2010
United States4779 Posts
April 23 2010 01:35 GMT
#3204
her tits aren't actually bigger on that skin
the image is just taken closer up
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 23 2010 02:01 GMT
#3205
meh. one character with a flash-type skill and ashe is dead. other then that she is fairly strong, especially against melee(who are setting themselves up to fail anyway by playing melee)

some one said it earlier but she is an initiator's nightmare. you really shouldnt be packing cleanse as a tank, so the infinite volleys and perhaps even an arrow can make it impossible for you do to your job.
Brees on in
Misder
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1557 Posts
April 23 2010 02:58 GMT
#3206
I have several questions:
If armor reduction exceeds armor of a champ, the armor goes negative. does armor pen make it go even more negative?

Why is dodge seals core for a tank? Why not armor, or something like that?

On Annie, is going Amplifying Tome first viable? This can build into many ap items, more specifically mejais, faster. and if not doing so well, it can be built to deathfire grasp or something or other. Or is sapphire cyrstal + pots the way to go?

On Annie, is cooldown glyphs and cooldown seals too much? What is the best seal of choice on Annie?

On Nasus, is Siphoning Strike (q) or Spirit Fire (e) the better move to start with in solo queue (no early team fight except for the the 2v2 skirmishes)? And is it good to spam Spirit Fire?

Also on Nasus, is cooldown glyphs better than mp5/lvl glyphs because it makes siphoning strike even more spammable?

Is it ever better to go dps Nasus over tank Nasus? What is the best tank item on Nasus?

On AD Corki, what is the best starting item? Is Last Whisper viable on Corki for the 40% armor pen, even though his gattling gun isn't affected my the attack speed boost? What is the first two big items to get on Corki? I usually get Black Cleaver + Infinity Edge, but I wonder if there is a better combination.
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 03:22:46
April 23 2010 03:20 GMT
#3207
1) No, armor pen doesn't make you do more damage than if they had [edit] 0 or less than [/edit] 0 armor.

2) Dodge seals and dodge masteries give you an 8.75% dodge chance with no items. Personally, I take mp/5, but an 8.75% dodge chance without items is pretty freaking good.

3) Tome + potion is generally not as strong as saph crystal + potion because you're building towards a catalyst as your first item.

4) I'd probably go mana regen/level on her, but I'll let an Annie player answer this. They might say flat hp/level or something.

5) One point in Siphoning Strike should be your first skill, and then you don't level it up until the very end. Just hit last hits with it to get the damage up. Spirit Fire is your bread and butter, use it to farm and to harass champs away from last hits.

6) It depends. Do you find yourself constantly out of mana?

7) Nasus is a versatile champ that can be built many ways depending on the game. Saying that one is better than the other is ignoring his utility. The best tank item on Nasus is probably Merc's Treads.

8) AD Corki needs damage more than he needs armor pen, and that's why you go Cleaver over Last Whisper. Open Sapphire Crystal and hp pot on him and build it into a Catalyst as your first item.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 23 2010 04:42 GMT
#3208
hahaha had a 5 TL premade today, it was pure awesome!
Even though the enemy team is strong we still had 3-1 k/d and won
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
m.a.k.
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany31 Posts
April 23 2010 05:41 GMT
#3209
Cool - didn't expect so many people here playing LoL.
I guess I'll start playing again next week after a pause of nearly a month.
hasuprotoss
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States4612 Posts
April 23 2010 06:12 GMT
#3210
On April 23 2010 12:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
1) No, armor pen doesn't make you do more damage than if they had [edit] 0 or less than [/edit] 0 armor.

2) Dodge seals and dodge masteries give you an 8.75% dodge chance with no items. Personally, I take mp/5, but an 8.75% dodge chance without items is pretty freaking good.

3) Tome + potion is generally not as strong as saph crystal + potion because you're building towards a catalyst as your first item.

4) I'd probably go mana regen/level on her, but I'll let an Annie player answer this. They might say flat hp/level or something.

5) One point in Siphoning Strike should be your first skill, and then you don't level it up until the very end. Just hit last hits with it to get the damage up. Spirit Fire is your bread and butter, use it to farm and to harass champs away from last hits.

6) It depends. Do you find yourself constantly out of mana?

7) Nasus is a versatile champ that can be built many ways depending on the game. Saying that one is better than the other is ignoring his utility. The best tank item on Nasus is probably Merc's Treads.

8) AD Corki needs damage more than he needs armor pen, and that's why you go Cleaver over Last Whisper. Open Sapphire Crystal and hp pot on him and build it into a Catalyst as your first item.


I generally take Spirit Fire first in case of a pre-creep skirmish. The reduction in armor is better than maybe a 1 or 2 creeped up Siphoning Strike. But that's just imo...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?viewdays=0&show_part=5 <--- Articles Section on TL
mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
April 23 2010 06:53 GMT
#3211
Yo if there is a slot left in that practice game id go for the team with for sivir and be sivir
"Only the Good Die Young"
mptj
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States485 Posts
April 23 2010 07:08 GMT
#3212
Mybe I can help someone out here with a guide to Annie:
Masteries/0/21
The reduced cooldown is too awesome not to take
Spells: ghost and ignite
Ghost is ESSENTIAL too damn good not to take! gotta (T)(us)Love it, so good
Ignite is just fun to take and assure that you get the kill, or ks i u wanna
Runes: Well, since I have space for 2 rune peages, I have a castr one and a DPS one, my caster one consists of full AP scaling runes(univetersally good for casters) so I use this. gets me like 80 AP at lvl 18
SPELL:QWQWQRWQWQRWEEEREE
BUILD:
Start off with boots,2 (P)(pl)MaNa potions and a health potion. You have incinerate and boots so last shot everything! the (P)(pl)MaNa cost gets refunded so you should be getting so much gold! stay away from harassing the (P)(ua)Enemy until like lvl 5 or 4, and do not use your summoner spells. At lvl 4, you should have a lot of gold around 800 and full (P)(pl)MaNa cuz ur spell gets its (P)(pl)MaNa cost refundended when it gets the killing blow. Ok, so lvl 4, when u get ur stun, incinerate and then disintegrate ur opponenent. Last shot some more and w, when ur stun is up, do it again. Drink a (P)(pl)MaNa potion, and now u shud be lvl 6. Get ur stun, cast ghost if u need to, then stun, disintegrate, ulti, ignite, and i hope you got the kill. Anywho, then finish ur botts into sorcerers boots, then get mejais soulstealer. Now, go zhonyas ring and then Rylai's (P)(ca)Crystal Scepter. Next, if im in trbl i get a rod. If im dominating, i get a void staff. My last item is usually abyssal scepter for the fun of it cuz ive usually lost or won by now. Anyways gl to anyone who tries, it i hope it works well for you
P.S.- if you wanna know how good I am, add me my name is ttnjwk, and i have over 600 wins XD
"Only the Good Die Young"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 23 2010 07:08 GMT
#3213
On April 23 2010 15:12 hasuprotoss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 12:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
1) No, armor pen doesn't make you do more damage than if they had [edit] 0 or less than [/edit] 0 armor.

2) Dodge seals and dodge masteries give you an 8.75% dodge chance with no items. Personally, I take mp/5, but an 8.75% dodge chance without items is pretty freaking good.

3) Tome + potion is generally not as strong as saph crystal + potion because you're building towards a catalyst as your first item.

4) I'd probably go mana regen/level on her, but I'll let an Annie player answer this. They might say flat hp/level or something.

5) One point in Siphoning Strike should be your first skill, and then you don't level it up until the very end. Just hit last hits with it to get the damage up. Spirit Fire is your bread and butter, use it to farm and to harass champs away from last hits.

6) It depends. Do you find yourself constantly out of mana?

7) Nasus is a versatile champ that can be built many ways depending on the game. Saying that one is better than the other is ignoring his utility. The best tank item on Nasus is probably Merc's Treads.

8) AD Corki needs damage more than he needs armor pen, and that's why you go Cleaver over Last Whisper. Open Sapphire Crystal and hp pot on him and build it into a Catalyst as your first item.


I generally take Spirit Fire first in case of a pre-creep skirmish. The reduction in armor is better than maybe a 1 or 2 creeped up Siphoning Strike. But that's just imo...

Yeah, you're the nasus player, not me, but I just think it's dumb to get into a 2v2 situation pre-creep in the first place without a hero like Mundo or Teemo. Generally I just urge people to stay out of bushes unless they know there's no way that anyone else got there first. There's nothing I hate more than having a pre-creep FB for the other team and having to deal with their 1-0 hero + exp and boots.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
evanthebouncy!
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States12796 Posts
April 23 2010 07:20 GMT
#3214
On April 23 2010 16:08 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2010 15:12 hasuprotoss wrote:
On April 23 2010 12:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
1) No, armor pen doesn't make you do more damage than if they had [edit] 0 or less than [/edit] 0 armor.

2) Dodge seals and dodge masteries give you an 8.75% dodge chance with no items. Personally, I take mp/5, but an 8.75% dodge chance without items is pretty freaking good.

3) Tome + potion is generally not as strong as saph crystal + potion because you're building towards a catalyst as your first item.

4) I'd probably go mana regen/level on her, but I'll let an Annie player answer this. They might say flat hp/level or something.

5) One point in Siphoning Strike should be your first skill, and then you don't level it up until the very end. Just hit last hits with it to get the damage up. Spirit Fire is your bread and butter, use it to farm and to harass champs away from last hits.

6) It depends. Do you find yourself constantly out of mana?

7) Nasus is a versatile champ that can be built many ways depending on the game. Saying that one is better than the other is ignoring his utility. The best tank item on Nasus is probably Merc's Treads.

8) AD Corki needs damage more than he needs armor pen, and that's why you go Cleaver over Last Whisper. Open Sapphire Crystal and hp pot on him and build it into a Catalyst as your first item.


I generally take Spirit Fire first in case of a pre-creep skirmish. The reduction in armor is better than maybe a 1 or 2 creeped up Siphoning Strike. But that's just imo...

Yeah, you're the nasus player, not me, but I just think it's dumb to get into a 2v2 situation pre-creep in the first place without a hero like Mundo or Teemo. Generally I just urge people to stay out of bushes unless they know there's no way that anyone else got there first. There's nothing I hate more than having a pre-creep FB for the other team and having to deal with their 1-0 hero + exp and boots.


hehe when I play with friends I just go a tri-lane with them and get a sure fb then teleport to my own lane
Life is run, it is dance, it is fast, passionate and BAM!, you dance and sing and booze while you can for now is the time and time is mine. Smile and laugh when still can for now is the time and soon you die!
bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
April 23 2010 07:41 GMT
#3215
On April 23 2010 13:42 evanthebouncy! wrote:
hahaha had a 5 TL premade today, it was pure awesome!
Even though the enemy team is strong we still had 3-1 k/d and won


It was a good game, but I thought the other team was pretty nubbish.
A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isnt' there. -Charles Darwin
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 20:28:53
April 23 2010 08:31 GMT
#3216
Nasus

Nasus is a good and easy champ to play. He is an absolute beast late game if you farm SS well enough.

Runes

Arm pen / Dodge / Flat Hp / Mres lvl or Mregen lvl (if you like to spam SF)

Items

Basicly you need to rush into Aegis or Triforce.

1. Dorans shield (Ruby / Sapphire, if you know what you are doing)
2. Boots 1
3. Aegis if noone gets it
4. Sheen / Phage
5. Merc threads
6. Triforce
7. More damage (starks, atmas) or survivability (banshee etc)

Items 2

1. Ruby
2. HoG
2. Boots 1
3. Sheen
4. Merc threads
5. Spam Sunfire Capes like there is no tomorrow.

Masteries

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Some like to go deep into the defensive tree. Its all good though.

Summoner spells

Exhaust / Ghost

(Heal and Rally / Cleanse works too, but Ghost in mandatory)

Skills

Max SF, 1 SS, 1 Wither, Always Ult, Max wither last.

Don't spam SF... use it only if your lane is pushed too close to the tower or if feel you can take the opposing tower. Always try to last hit SS, that is your priority if you can build it more than 50~ you will start to crit about 600 per strike(only with sheen). This and your ult will make you godly. I have gotten about 900~ damage SS hits in a long game. Triforce is all the DPS you will need in most games.



Jaw
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States274 Posts
April 23 2010 12:49 GMT
#3217
why Exhaust when you have wither? i would use cleanse or heal
ExecutioN
Profile Joined March 2010
Latvia52 Posts
April 23 2010 13:39 GMT
#3218
Is the game any good?
If I lack belief in God, why would he belive in me?
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
April 23 2010 13:55 GMT
#3219
On April 23 2010 21:49 jaw wrote:
why Exhaust when you have wither? i would use cleanse or heal


You can disable any physical DPS champ with it for 3,5 secs. Also it gives you spell / armor pen (with mastery). Heal is ok, but cleanse isn't that good. Nasus has enough survivability already with his ult.
stoned_rabbit
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States324 Posts
April 23 2010 14:37 GMT
#3220
Dude you need cleanse on nasus. You're only good in a team fight with your ult and if they see you ghosting in you WILL be cc'd and focused. If you can't even get your ult off you have no hope of surviving long enough to do anything but waste the other team's cooldowns. Of course this is still a good thing cuz it means your carries aren't being focused.. but that role could very easily be assumed with say.. uhh tryndamere?

Anyway, aegis is very debateably good, but it's getting nerfed next patch (again) and I don't see the use of it honestly. Unless you plan on solo pushing for half the game it's not really worth the investment. I prefer glacial shroud for the armor/mana AND cdr, all very important on nasus, and it's cheaper than aegis and scales better to end-game. Of course, if they're very caster heavy it's better to delay it for something else (catalyst for a mid-game banshees?) But usually you have one or two physical dps's where it makes sense to get a frozen heart later, especially trist or jax, both are very common.
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