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On April 16 2010 13:48 scintilliaSD wrote:
Every time I see this topic, I want to play again. But I want to play with decent people and I don't like playing my way up the ladder just to play against people who might put up a challenge at me. My Summoner's level 13 right now and the game is just boring :[ as much as people say "GET BETTER AND LEARN TO CARRY", it's the truth. on your way up to lvl 30 you'll learn things you just wouldn't have known at lvl 13. for example, i just started messing around with a smurf recently and after like 20 games i'm already playing with 300 win lvl 30s who actually know to ward dragon, usually have health quints, control the neutral buffs, and know to last hit instead of blind pushing creeps. this is all at summoner lvl 8 mind you. i wouldn't (and didn't) have skyrocketed ELO so quickly had i not spent all that time learning the game on my way to lvl 30.
and the addition of TT made the game a lot more fun. when SR gets boring, hop onto TT, pick Jax, and dominate. it's also a lot easier to carry 2 people at low elo when you're first starting out then it is to carry 4 people on SR.
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On April 16 2010 03:16 suffeli wrote:
Can anyone give some in depth advice for Annie? I'd like to start playing her since I haven't touched casters for a while except for Fiddle.
Don't you just stack AP?
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On April 16 2010 13:58 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2010 13:48 scintilliaSD wrote:
Every time I see this topic, I want to play again. But I want to play with decent people and I don't like playing my way up the ladder just to play against people who might put up a challenge at me. My Summoner's level 13 right now and the game is just boring :[ as much as people say "GET BETTER AND LEARN TO CARRY", it's the truth. on your way up to lvl 30 you'll learn things you just wouldn't have known at lvl 13. for example, i just started messing around with a smurf recently and after like 20 games i'm already playing with 300 win lvl 30s who actually know to ward dragon, usually have health quints, control the neutral buffs, and know to last hit instead of blind pushing creeps. this is all at summoner lvl 8 mind you. i wouldn't (and didn't) have skyrocketed ELO so quickly had i not spent all that time learning the game on my way to lvl 30. and the addition of TT made the game a lot more fun. when SR gets boring, hop onto TT, pick Jax, and dominate. it's also a lot easier to carry 2 people at low elo when you're first starting out then it is to carry 4 people on SR.
That's not my problem. The games at my level are far too easy because I've played competitive DotA before and played a lot of Heroes of Newerth during its beta. That's why the game's boring. Unfortunately, none of my friends play this game so I can't AT with them.
I would love to do some arranged team games with some TL people though, as the skill level is higher.
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On April 16 2010 13:37 Tooplark wrote:I think that was sarcasm. Mord is a melee DPS not named Jax, so he isn't viable in top tier play. He's really fun though. I don't like Veigar. He's really squishy, takes too long to farm, and has trouble landing his only AoE nuke. He's very definitely not top-tier. actually, here's L0CUST's tier list: https://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=50866It's the best one I've seen. EDIT: L0CUST apparently quit the game, and the list was last updated 3/20. Also, check out this poll: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=90501Mundo approves of third place! from what i've heard (solomid ventrilo) L0CUST is disliked by many of the high ELOs because of that list haha. but i just looked at the list and i agree with a large part of it. TF is a bit low, gragas is REALLY too low, udyr and sion below pirate sorta doesn't make sense, etc etc. it's just unexplained and sorta arbitrary.
here's another one: http://www.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=50751. this one also has a bunch of misordering IMO (like soraka bottom tier lol) but actually has explanations so you can figure out how each one plays and why it's ranked high/low. remember these are all for SR and usually don't apply to play on TT.
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On April 16 2010 14:08 scintilliaSD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2010 13:58 redtooth wrote:On April 16 2010 13:48 scintilliaSD wrote:
Every time I see this topic, I want to play again. But I want to play with decent people and I don't like playing my way up the ladder just to play against people who might put up a challenge at me. My Summoner's level 13 right now and the game is just boring :[ as much as people say "GET BETTER AND LEARN TO CARRY", it's the truth. on your way up to lvl 30 you'll learn things you just wouldn't have known at lvl 13. for example, i just started messing around with a smurf recently and after like 20 games i'm already playing with 300 win lvl 30s who actually know to ward dragon, usually have health quints, control the neutral buffs, and know to last hit instead of blind pushing creeps. this is all at summoner lvl 8 mind you. i wouldn't (and didn't) have skyrocketed ELO so quickly had i not spent all that time learning the game on my way to lvl 30. and the addition of TT made the game a lot more fun. when SR gets boring, hop onto TT, pick Jax, and dominate. it's also a lot easier to carry 2 people at low elo when you're first starting out then it is to carry 4 people on SR. That's not my problem. The games at my level are far too easy because I've played competitive DotA before and played a lot of Heroes of Newerth during its beta. That's why the game's boring. Unfortunately, none of my friends play this game so I can't AT with them. I would love to do some arranged team games with some TL people though, as the skill level is higher. do you win? if it's easy and you keep winning, it shouldn't keep "being easy". that's how the ELO system works: if you keep winning you keep playing better players and you eventually lose some, etc etc. i've never heard of someone saying the game is "too easy". it's easy to get a 30-1 kdr, it's hard to keep winning on solo que.
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On April 16 2010 14:13 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2010 14:08 scintilliaSD wrote:On April 16 2010 13:58 redtooth wrote:On April 16 2010 13:48 scintilliaSD wrote:
Every time I see this topic, I want to play again. But I want to play with decent people and I don't like playing my way up the ladder just to play against people who might put up a challenge at me. My Summoner's level 13 right now and the game is just boring :[ as much as people say "GET BETTER AND LEARN TO CARRY", it's the truth. on your way up to lvl 30 you'll learn things you just wouldn't have known at lvl 13. for example, i just started messing around with a smurf recently and after like 20 games i'm already playing with 300 win lvl 30s who actually know to ward dragon, usually have health quints, control the neutral buffs, and know to last hit instead of blind pushing creeps. this is all at summoner lvl 8 mind you. i wouldn't (and didn't) have skyrocketed ELO so quickly had i not spent all that time learning the game on my way to lvl 30. and the addition of TT made the game a lot more fun. when SR gets boring, hop onto TT, pick Jax, and dominate. it's also a lot easier to carry 2 people at low elo when you're first starting out then it is to carry 4 people on SR. That's not my problem. The games at my level are far too easy because I've played competitive DotA before and played a lot of Heroes of Newerth during its beta. That's why the game's boring. Unfortunately, none of my friends play this game so I can't AT with them. I would love to do some arranged team games with some TL people though, as the skill level is higher. do you win? if it's easy and you keep winning, it shouldn't keep "being easy". that's how the ELO system works: if you keep winning you keep playing better players and you eventually lose some, etc etc. i've never heard of someone saying the game is "too easy". it's easy to get a 30-1 kdr, it's hard to keep winning on solo que.
Yeah, I know, I know. I probably could shoot up the ladder quickly but I find myself just playing my game to get the extra IP and then not playing another one until the next 24 hours.
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For Annie, any combination of AP/Tank works. Ignite/Flash are the most popular spells for obvious reasons.
I can say with complete confidence that pretty much any Tier List other than L0CUST's makes no sense at all. As far as I know, he isn't really hated by that many people. Also, I dislike visiting SoloMid because that website is pretty much dedicated to generated revenue, although the level of discussion that usually takes place in the official forums is rather pathetic.
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just went 18-0-1 with my first game with new morg :D
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On April 16 2010 12:03 Arhkangel wrote:
Men I want to play some of these new heroes so bad. But they are so expensive :S The ninjas seem so cash. A tank Ninja and the cute assassin. Also the Mordekasier guy has the best model in LoL. How good is he in high ELO play?
I own Corki, Rammus, Twisted, Fiddle and Veigar. What are considered the higher tier heroes nowadays? is TF still S+ after the change?
Mord is a monster early game, but somewhat useless end game. I wouldn't recommend him on SR, not sure about high elo TT.
Fiddlesticks is probably the best champ right now, just so many disables and such a stupid fucking ratio on his ult.
Corki's still considered good and basically no one plays him.
Rammus is probably the #4 pure tank after Alistar, Malphite and Amumu
TF is good, but is now a ranged DPS carry. His damage output is outclassed by a lot of heroes, but he has good stunning, a banshee's veil stripping skill, and a pretty uniquely powerful ult I'd say he's borderline top tier as a carry now.
Veigar's still a pretty mediocre nuker. He was the best for a day when his stun was bugged, but he's back to just being strictly worse than Fiddle, Annie, Anivia and Ryze.
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IMO Kennen is pretty high up in the new tier lists, his ult is really game-changing even if his other skills aren't. He just adds a lot to a teamfight in terms of AoE DPS and stuns.
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suffeli
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I've been currently doing this with Annie
Masteries
9 / 0 / 21
Summoner Spells
Flash / Ignite
I've also been pondering to take ghost over flash.
Runes
Mpen Marks, HP Quints, Dodge Seals, Mpregen / lvl Glyphs
Item Build
1. Sapphire + HP pots
2. Catalyst
3. Boots 1
4. RoA
5. Sorc / Merc Boots
6. More AP ( Void, Abyssal, Zhonya...)
I've not been going for an early Mejais, cause I'm not that high skilled with her yet. So basicly I tend to die a lot too. Also Guise seems nice, but I don't know if its better than Cata.
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That's a basic caster build for any caster, there's probably something more specialized that you can do once you learn a bit more about your playstyle with her. Also, I would consider taking mp regen seals and just leaving dodge. What do you need a 5% dodge chance for? Take mana regen in its primary and grab cooldown reduction glyphs.
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ive always taken RoA and rylais for a tanky build
but imo its much better to go saphh-> cata sorc boots mejais then rylais build banshees throw in a void staff and zhonyas or whatever
dont need mana regen for annie just take golem wheneve u ult with ur bear
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Annie has ridiculously good farm, and if you get mana regen runes and masteries you can harass like a bitch as well. Perfect for mid, because as soon as she hits six you flash, tibbers, nuke and ignite (if needed) and you get a kill, no question. If they tower hug just gank, you're a powerhouse mid-game from 6-11, and if you have a good mid game you can be beastly into late game as well.
I'd recommend something like this for side lane:
Amplifying tome + Red pot
mejais
sorc boots
rylais (for the health)
zonyas
And for mid I'd take:
Blue crystal +2 pots (cos you will probably get harrassed a little more and you can't afford to leave lane and give the other solo free farm)
catalyst
boots1
RoA
Sorc boots
zonyas (since you don't need health cos you got it from RoA)
if you find you're getting demolished in teamfights grab a banshees veil or some generic survivability
I used to get DFG but I don't think it's really that good of an item because there are better choices for first item that can snowball (mejais and RoA) and I don't think it really adds that much compared to a zonyas or rylais mid-late game
edit: if they're getting wise and stacking MR just grab a void staff instead of a zonyas
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Hmmh... Flat HP or HP / lvl seals seem tempting also. The reason I use dodge is that I can't find anything else worthwhile to get.
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I like mejai's on Annie, because she's an excellent lane-phase ganker. Get up a your stun at L6, then go hide in bushes near another lane. Flash out, tibberstun, drop the rest of your arsenal on them. If you're playing this way, remember that your W scales better than your Q in terms of damage/level.
For items, all casters should now be considering sapphire crystal into glacial shroud early. It's incredibly efficient CD reduction, and the +mana opening isn't bad. Not sure it's better than cata on Annie, but it's worth considering based on how you play her.
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I think Glacial Shroud is a great first item on CD-dependant heroes like Zilean or Ryze now. It would also make for a nice tanky Morgana, since I usually don't get bursted down by magic. Morgana certainly wouldn't mind being able to use her skills more than once per teamfight though.
Also, fun fact about Morgana: flash into the middle of the enemy team and use ult and normally you'll just go POP. But if you have Guardian Angel or Zhonya's your ult will keep going and hopefully stun 3/5 of their team or so.
Is the new Archangel's Staff worth it? The +1000 mana cap is pretty good. For 980 gold you have an item that is decent early on by itself, and over the course of the match it's quite likely you'll cast 250 spells, putting you at 1400 mana. Building it into Archangel's gives you the highest manaregen in the game and probably around 1000 mana by the time you finish it (150 spells cast) which is 95 AP (45 from the staff +2% + 1000 from the passive). Is it better to get Tear then Glacial on Ryze, or Glacial then Tear? Or do you need AP enough to get one or the other?
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On April 16 2010 21:37 suffeli wrote:
Hmmh... Flat HP or HP / lvl seals seem tempting also. The reason I use dodge is that I can't find anything else worthwhile to get.
HP/lvl are really good. As I said a page or two ago, I've started running these on champions that I don't get dodge masteries with. They're half the price of flat HP and catch up by level 5, so the choice between those two is really easy to me.
On April 16 2010 17:30 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
IMO Kennen is pretty high up in the new tier lists, his ult is really game-changing even if his other skills aren't. He just adds a lot to a teamfight in terms of AoE DPS and stuns.
I have to strongly disagree. Kennen just suffers from being completely outclassed at everything he does. In teamfights, his ult is unreliable and you're basically just crossing your fingers after e -> w that you stun a relevant opponent. Not to mention that if they stun/ff and kill you during your e, you're completely worthless. We ran into a pretty good Kennen last night who was running Leviathan(20 stacks) + Mejai's (16 stacks) + void staff + sorc boots + gunisoo's + malady (such a weird build...), but even with his complete build, I didn't feel like he was taking the game over in any way shape or form, he was just another dude in team fights.
I dunno, I just can't think of a time where I'd rather have Kennen than someone beefier with a reliable group disable or someone with more reliable and focused AoE damage output that they can do from a safer distance.
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Allright, out of curiousity, what's the best build you're doing as Rammus le armordildo?
For me I open up with 3 hp pots 1 mana pot and cloth armor -> 2 hearth of gold -> Ninja tabi (debatable if you should get Mercury instead, but armor also gives rammus ekstra attack damage so I opt for it nearly allways unless the other team is soo CC / Caster heavy) Then I go Warmogs / Force of Nature and then my build sorta adapts to whatever we're up against.
For skills I go WEQQQRQWQWWRWEEEER.
I've had moderate success with this build, but I am sure you guys can come up with more options to variete my Rammus play (please ? :D)
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Guh, last night's games were rough, Mog ;/ We'd always make like one mistake and it'd cost us the game.
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