On April 14 2010 10:44 Frolossus wrote:
isnt there only one nexus? and one baron?
and why doesnt the blood thirster show stacks like the sword of the occult or something?

He's making fun of you because you can read this on the LoL site.

Bloodthirster adds one stack for everything you kill, including creeps.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 14 2010 02:14 GMT

#2782

On April 14 2010 08:39 Frolossus wrote:
why last whisper over like phantom dancer?

Phantom dancer is a terrible item and last whisper does what you want phantom dancer to do but better.

If you listen to phreak's stream he says sometimes that anyone who gets phantom dancer is not a good player.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 14 2010 02:36 GMT

#2783

On April 14 2010 10:44 Frolossus wrote:
isnt there only one nexus? and one baron?
and why doesnt the blood thirster show stacks like the sword of the occult or something?

Also Baron respawns so you can kill it more than once

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 14 2010 05:06 GMT

#2784

So I've been learning tristana lately and i'm like 13-3 with her in win/loss ratio, but I still haven't got her down yet. I played 2 games with TL comp and go 11-0 one game to win and 8-10 the other to lose hard. Does anyone have any build tips with her? I open doran's blade/pot and usually go either triple blade/berserker's greaves or pickaxe/bf sword depending on my farm. Inf. edge first followed by a bloodthirster then a frozen mallet or a last whisper, depending on team comp. Anyone got any tips?

HeavOnEarth

United States7087 Posts

April 14 2010 08:35 GMT

#2785

On April 14 2010 11:14 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:

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i get phantom dancer on pirate for the 30% crit chance

suffeli

Finland772 Posts

April 14 2010 10:04 GMT

#2786

Tristana

Masteries

21/0/9 or 21/9/0

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Summoner spells

1. Teleport / Cleanse 2. Flash for summoner spells.

Teleport gives you more lane presence. It also allows you a great degree of freedom from your team to farm creeps and push lane. Cleanse gives you (duh) more survivability. Flash is awesome.

Runes

Arm pen marks, HP / Arm pen quints, Dodge / Health seals, Mres / Mp5 LVL glyphs.

This is a basic, simple setup. Take more Arm pen runes for more damage and health for more survivability.

Item order 1

1. Vamp scepter / Dorans shield
2. boots 1
3. B. F. sword / Phage
4. Zerk Greaves / Merc Threads / Tabi

Tabi against dps heavy teams, mercury against slow/stun team, and Zerkers if not worried about survival. Most of the time its gonna be merc though.

5. Bloodthirster
6->. Go either survivability or more damage depending on opposing team setup.

I'd start with vamp scepter since you can build it quickly to thirster and gives you decent staying power. Dorans shield is also ok. I can see the reasoning stacking Dorans Blades.

from solomid:

4 x Doran's Blade = 1740 Gold
Doran's Shield + Phage = 1750 Gold

Blades: 480 hp, 24 dmg, 16% LS
Phage + Shield: 345 hp, 18 dmg, 8 armor, 8 hp/5, Chance to slow

Stacking Dorans items will gimp your late / mid game. Going for raw damage items very early makes the difference imo. Tristana can be built with almost any attack speed items. This is why she is very good carry. Early game just farm farm farm. If you get a good shot at ganking, go for it, but stay in lane and farm for a B.F sword. Always grab a lizard buff if you can. If you can't you probably need a phage.

Item order 2

1. Dorans shield / Longsword
2. Boots 1
3. B.F. Sword / Phage
4. Zerk Greaves / Merc Threads / Tabi
5. Finish Black Cleaver if you haven't

Tabi against dps heavy teams, mercury against slow/stun team, and Zerkers if not worried about survival. Most of the time its gonna be merc though.

6->. Go either survivability or more damage depending on opposing team setup.

Skill order

1. Rocket Jump 2. Explosive Shot 3. Rapid Fire 4. Explosive Shot 5. Explosive Shot 6. Buster Shot

After that, max Rapid Fire then Explosive Shot and save Rocket Jump for last, taking your ult at every available level. Always take explosive jump as your first skill You can escape ganks with it and it will give you some basic ganking ability too.

(Ill update the guide from time to time if needed)

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azndsh

United States4447 Posts

April 14 2010 10:34 GMT

#2787

I can't seem to decide if that Trist guide is a joke...

1. ignite is amazing and extremely helpful for getting kills. rocket jump is already a blink, so you can sometimes get away without running flash
2. AP runes? armor pen is by far the best early game, though crit dmg, crit, attack speed are all good
3. item build has been covered many many times (IE + LW + phage + survivability), rushing BT is... interesting and probably situational, e.g. you're already dominating the other team
4. if you're going to run AP runes, at least max rocket jump first, though going BT first means you'll no attack speed without rapid fire

suffeli

Finland772 Posts

April 14 2010 11:02 GMT

#2788

I'm not sure what are you smoking? My guide a joke? Srsly?

1. Ignite is good, but tristana has explosive shot that is a heal reduction skill already. Flash is an awesome skill since you can use it defensively and offensively. It is OP and probably going to be nerfed.
2. Arm pen is the best damage rune. Every top ELO player uses Arm pen runes. Crit damage and crit % don't even come close. I'm not gonna argue about this with you. Check solomid or LoL forums.
4. Maxing rocket jump is plain stupid. Explosive shot is for farming ability and rapid fire gives you more dps. What does rocket jump give you?

(edit. AP is not arm pen you dummy)

Masamune

Canada3401 Posts

April 14 2010 11:05 GMT

#2789

posting after suffeli because he's too awesome but dota will remain the best forever.

azndsh

United States4447 Posts

April 14 2010 11:38 GMT

#2790

LMAO, for the record... AP = ability power, not armor penetration
I had no idea what you were talking about for the longest time

if you plan on farming/pushing for a while instead of engaging, rocket jump has better creeping and lowered cd

LordWeird

United States3411 Posts

April 14 2010 11:43 GMT

#2791

Wow this game is pretty overwhelming rofl.

suffeli

Finland772 Posts

April 14 2010 11:47 GMT

#2792

Sorry for mix up. Who would get AP with tris anyway? :O Rocket jump is for escaping not for farming. Explosive shot is much much more better for that.

oberon

United States1320 Posts

April 14 2010 12:32 GMT

#2793

I know this sounds weird, but of the few Eves I still see, why do none go triforce? The sheen ability works well with hatespike (tiny cooldown), and it would seem to make farming a possibility. The phage ability works well since she stuns, then has one of the highest attack speeds in the game -- multiple chances to get off the slow. The zeal just adds DPS. I'm thinking you build those and boots, then start work on IE, combining to triforce when you run out of slots.

Obviously, Eve is a bad champ, and I'm sure this wouldn't make her good. But why do Eves always go AP?

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

April 14 2010 12:47 GMT

#2794

The scarce Eves I see go TriForce.

I agree with Suff's guide except that I wouldn't go Zerker.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 14 2010 14:14 GMT

#2795

Interesting. I've been running ignite/exhaust for the solomid 1v1 kills before level 6, I've been getting them pretty consistently even at 400+ win 5 man premade ELOs with just all arm pen marks and flat hp quints. Usually I max explosive shot and jump first because they're so good for those early kills, but I see your point in maxing R>E>Q>W. If you're not going for those early kills you're just going to be taking down towers and jumping lanes for ganks. I'll try it out.

I usually go dorans blade + potion into either 3 blades and boots of some sort or blade/pot into pickaxe/b.f. sword, depending on how much i can farm before I'm forced back/how many kills I get early. Triple blade is nice for the extra 360 hp you get, the damage and the lifesteal help too. I've lived a few times on perfect x-0 streaks because i chose not to sell a blade to get a pickaxe. I usually go Inf. edge into starks or bloodthirster and get the other one soon after, phage into mallet if I feel like it'll get me more kills. Eventually I get them all and a last whisper to round out the build.

I feel like getting attackspeed on tristana early is a waste because of q, though.

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 14 2010 14:14 GMT

#2796

Also why do you take 21 points into offense and skip out on the magic pen ability. 25% magic pen is worth WAY more than +3% attackspeed.

Southlight

United States11768 Posts

April 14 2010 14:28 GMT

#2797

I don't think it matters either way, tbh, the gain from 15% on Trist is minimal, too.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 14 2010 14:46 GMT

#2798

well, it's compared to 1% AS anyway (since you could still put the other points in AS if that's how you roll, so you're only missing out on 1 mastery point there). I think you'd be pretty hard pressed to find a hero that doesn't get higher gains off of 15% Mpen over 1% AS...

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 14 2010 14:52 GMT

#2799

Right, 15%, but still I think especially for explosive shot it helps because that's DoT too, plus her r skill will get you kills from way far away sometimes and 15% pen helps a lot.