long sword -> boots1 -> brutalizer -> Boots of Mobility -> GANK GANK GANK -> Black Cleaver + Last Whisper + Generic Surviveablity Item (Banshee's Veil usually) in some order.

Southlight

United States11767 Posts

April 13 2010 23:26 GMT

#2762

On April 14 2010 07:30 Unentschieden wrote:
Depends really. Ki-Strike benefits more from enemy hits than excessive HP stacking, Still, "real" Damageitems give more Damage than being indirect and trying to carry via HP.
I´m curious how people build him now that he had time to settel in. I go 0/21/9 since I´m always on TT and the XP and neutral buff duration seem to bring more than What offense offers.

Sorry, I meant early game. As Brees pointed out, 1000 hp Shen = good damage from Ki. Sometimes I'm astonished at how much damage a Shen does to me really early in the game, and that explains it, and gives me something to look out for

eaT_Mi_Lquid

Germany509 Posts

April 13 2010 23:29 GMT

#2763

On April 14 2010 05:30 Khenra wrote:
The top 500 ELO for Europe is out, and I'm in it! I'm at a humble 452th place, but I've only recently hit my stride with Warwick, so I hope to be higher next month

-You guys are talking about high ELO players. Where can you see your ELO or get the Ranking of players ?

I thought it's not built in in LoL but where can you get such information ?

ZERG_RUSSIAN

10417 Posts

April 13 2010 23:37 GMT

#2764

There's an old December list for USA players out on solomid.net, there's an IRC channel where you can befriend an admin and have them look it up for you, or you can estimate it by playing against good players. Your call.

Frolossus

United States4779 Posts

April 13 2010 23:39 GMT

#2765

why last whisper over like phantom dancer?

Southlight

United States11767 Posts

April 13 2010 23:41 GMT

#2766

http://www.lol-europe.com/board/showthread.php?t=30985
For Europeans, came out yesterday. That's what the Euros are talking about o/

Frolossus: because Last Whisper costs 1/2 the cost and ends up giving more of a damage boost.

Also I'm not sure about Boots of Mobil but that's really just each person's taste anyways.

oberon

United States1320 Posts

April 13 2010 23:42 GMT

#2767

On April 13 2010 22:14 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Theres a limited number of magic pen items you can get.. sorc boots void staff, and add haunting guise . nearly 100% magic pen basically ( with the magic pen mastery).. great on champions like karthus

I'm fairly sure sorc boots and guise provide +pen, whereas void staff is +pen%. +20 pen on a 200 resist enemy is 180 effective resist, +20% pen is 160 effective resist. Void staff is the only magic pen item (I think) that scales with defenders' resist.

Frolossus

United States4779 Posts

April 13 2010 23:42 GMT

#2768

What about the infinity edge? Is it worth it?

Southlight

United States11767 Posts

April 13 2010 23:44 GMT

#2769

On April 14 2010 08:42 oberon wrote:
I'm fairly sure sorc boots and guise provide +pen, whereas void staff is +pen%. +20 pen on a 200 resist enemy is 180 effective resist, +20% pen is 160 effective resist. Void staff is the only magic pen item (I think) that scales with defenders' resist.

But the reality is that almost no one will hit 200 magic resist, so that's not a particularly good comparison. For example, Teemo and Twitch and Ashe and so on and so forth actually sit at 30 MR, plus 25 from Treads for a total of 55. When you consider that 15% from mastery with both items + marks mpen runes ~55 flat pen, that means with just those two items you're crushing the majority of ranged DPS + Treads. Say they buy Banshees and hit around 110, well if you buy Void Staff by the time they finish it, you'll drop them from 110 to like 55-60, which means you're still almost completely wiping out their MR.

On April 14 2010 08:42 Frolossus wrote:
What about the infinity edge? Is it worth it?

It's great, but expensive. Best DPS item in the game in terms of single-hit damage output (you need to supplement it with attack speed). There're bunches of guides linked on the fourth post of this thread, such as one for Ashe etc. but anyways, Last Whisper + Infinity Edge is considered the strongest ranged DPS two-item combo in the game.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 13 2010 23:46 GMT

#2770

really depends what role you're filling. I typically play ashe on teams that already have characters who'll be putting out large amounts of physical damage, so I focus on things that will assist them (BC) and my Volley (Brutalizer, plus any BC stacks I might've build up before the Volley). If you're the main physical damage dealer, IE is optimal, but in the same breath, for that role, other champions are usually smarter than Ashe.

oberon

United States1320 Posts

April 14 2010 00:14 GMT

#2771

I was playing with a TLer who goes IE on Ashe, along with other +damage stuff, and no AS. I was surprised. His logic? The big deal is volley, and volley doesn't use AS. I'm not sure it's "right" or anything, but certainly interesting.

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 14 2010 00:17 GMT

#2772

Using that logic, you should go Bloodthirster, not IE, it's more efficient for stacking straight damage. I mean, Volley's a big deal and you do want to make sure your build is efficient for it, but it's still just once every 4 seconds (down to 2.4 with maxed CD reduction), and in the meantime, it's best to put your AD to good use by attacking with it quickly and preferably critting a bunch.

Frolossus

United States4779 Posts

April 14 2010 00:25 GMT

#2773

wouldn't it be best to have both a blood thirster and an infinity edge?

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 14 2010 00:27 GMT

#2774

if your sole goal in the game were to maximize volley output, you'd have 5 maxed bloodthirsters, chug a red elixer, then buy a brutalizer, then kill baron.

Frolossus

United States4779 Posts

April 14 2010 00:29 GMT

#2775

how do you get stacks on a blood thirster?

Tooplark

United States3977 Posts

April 14 2010 00:29 GMT

#2776

Does Volley not crit?
I also remember part of his logic being that first guaranteed crit was important, so Infinity Edge increased the burst a lot. (well, by 25%...)

Mogwai

United States13274 Posts

April 14 2010 00:30 GMT

#2777

Volley does not crit, and yes, the first guaranteed crit with IE is insane. IE is great, do not get me wrong, but I go for the budget Armor Cleaving build that ganks and supports other DPSers like a champ. If you wanna carry, just go generic carry build and do doran's shield -> boots -> LW -> boots2 -> IE.

Southlight

United States11767 Posts

April 14 2010 00:31 GMT

#2778

Volley does not crit; it does flat damage based on your damage + volley bonus.

Ignoring crit %, volley adds like a whopping 20 dps. It's really not that "great" for single-target damage.