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Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 19:17:56
April 12 2010 19:16 GMT
#2681
On April 12 2010 23:38 Southlight wrote:
At your elo bracket, even Master Yi and Tryndamere can carry half the time. :d

"At your elo bracket" I got 55-60% winrate, dont assume something ya dont know...

On April 13 2010 00:17 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 00:07 Mogwai wrote:
to be fair... the ashe in that screenshot has a Nashor's Tooth...

I think Kat is probably viable at the higher levels, but it's not in a carrying capacity.


I played against a Kat that went 5-0 in the first 10 minutes in a practice game... yesterday, I think? And I was solo mid Zilean that was 0-0. And I was going DPS.

The clash of the titans. Who won?

DPS Zilean, without even using ult.

Carry Katarina wut.

The obvious problem with Kat is that even at our Elo she'll pretty much never get her ult off for any decent period of time. Without her ult her damage output stinks. And without her damage output she's absolutely junk, except for some irritating harass at the onset; she has an AoE anti-heal, an escape mechanism, and little else. At low Elos when everyone's spamming crap like Mundo, Trynd and Yi (ie. no disable) or people panic and run as soon as Kat shows up, you can output hefty damage. At middle Elos when you keep running into teams with like 5+ disables, you're not going to do jack. If you want a pointblank AoE spelldamage hero you're better off playing either Karthus (who's gotten crazy annoying with Zhonya) or Fiddle. Also with those two you won't have random targeting, targeting limits, nor the issue of being disabled during ult and being useless for the next minute.

Not to mention Kat's damage output isn't even that high ;/

Ooh gimped hero. I CANT USE HER THEN NOBODY CAN. Really, I was laning with a really good morgana and even though we got FB'd we pwn em 4-0 afterwards
In the woods, there lurks..
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 19:20:05
April 12 2010 19:18 GMT
#2682
149-141 is not a 55-60 percent winrate. not to mention the low amount of games you have

P.S. Eve is on the other team.


ok i saw his edit, hes trolling disregard.
Brees on in
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 12 2010 19:21 GMT
#2683
you dont get kills in lane at high elo by the way...
Brees on in
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-12 19:31:41
April 12 2010 19:30 GMT
#2684
On April 13 2010 04:21 Brees wrote:
you dont get kills in lane at high elo by the way...


Depends on the lanes ;p I see some pretty aggressive combat in lanes a lot of times, when both lanes feel they can kill the other. And I'm talking about 5v5 premade which leads to vs top-200-300s (top 100s in the December list, I'm gonna give benefit of the doubt and assume they're still somewhere in the top 300). Definitely don't see chain killing happening though; if someone dies they usually play as safe as possible, at the expense of gold/exp.

Edit:
Hey, hey, Eve is decent at that Elo bracket, I think. :p Especially when stuck with lots of solo queue - no one wants to buy Oracle, and no one buys Wards.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 12 2010 23:54 GMT
#2685
im having fun with gangplank and crit dmg runes lol
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 12 2010 23:58 GMT
#2686
Gangplank and his ability to starve (via Morale) is pretty nasty o/
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
April 13 2010 00:17 GMT
#2687
What happened to Twitch? Haven't seen him at all, does anyone still even play him?
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
April 13 2010 00:21 GMT
#2688
On April 13 2010 09:17 Gao Xi wrote:
What happened to Twitch? Haven't seen him at all, does anyone still even play him?
haha you probably got better. considered unviable by many in higher elo.
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Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
April 13 2010 00:28 GMT
#2689
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 13 2010 00:29 GMT
#2690
I don't think he's unviable, but he requires a team that has a good number of disables to keep certain characters off of him. You also have to be aware that his invisibility isn't going to help much - but his ult is still one of the most gamebreaking.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
April 13 2010 00:30 GMT
#2691
On April 13 2010 00:37 Southlight wrote:
Edit:
I mean, it boils down to speed. Kat needs an ungodly amount of gold advantage to wreak havoc, because she needs ridiculous damage output in 0.5-1 second in most fights. And when a team fight breaks out at like level 8-9, when all you have is like (shit)
this. that's why when i go kat i run 9/21/0 with ignite/heal to just dominate low lvl laning as much as possible. it's getting harder as i keep going up the elo ladder as players who understand that relinquishing a wave or two is better then dying become more common. but if you get an advantage (like lvl 1 or 2 kill) its very easy to keep the opponent solo mid cs under 20 for the longest time.

and you want to go AD whenever possible because of the midgame advantage. only problem is that its just not possible 95% of the time.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
April 13 2010 00:33 GMT
#2692
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
April 13 2010 00:35 GMT
#2693
On April 13 2010 09:33 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.

I would've thought TF and fiddle would've been viable.
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pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 00:56:51
April 13 2010 00:49 GMT
#2694
it seems your sarcasm detector has gone askew

Ive been having fun playing Kennen. Yea I don't think he's anywhere near top tier, but he's still fun to play. Nothing like flash, E, R, W to get those who think they've gotten away :D

Mogwai, try building him 9/21/0 with the magic pent at offense.
Rune up Magic Pent, Dodge, CD, whatever Quint you prefer.

I go Ruby Crystal at start. Get Q,W,E, then focus on maxing out W. You shouldn't be outharassed and I'm usually able to finish haunting guise with my first trip back and boots 1. Build looks like this.

Ruby Crystal into Haunting Guise.
Sorc Boots
Giant's belt into Rylais

Game should be around over. If not, I see if I need more health. If so, I might get a Sunfire cape
If not, get a Zhonyah's or something

geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
April 13 2010 01:04 GMT
#2695
On April 13 2010 09:33 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.


lol jax is gamebreaking
pew pew
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 13 2010 01:18 GMT
#2696
When I was watching TakashiX last night, the two champs he played were Twitch and Kat. So "not viable in our ELO bracket" elitists can be safely ignored.

On another note: why do people suddenly buy haunting guise? What am I missing? If a good nuker blows all their skills, they're lucky to do 2K damage (Annie with 400 AP, for example, will NOT do 2k). This translates to, at a maximum, 200 life regened. Is the theory that this allows nukers to leave battle and heal by farming? Maybe I just haven't seen the thing used correctly...
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
April 13 2010 01:22 GMT
#2697
it doesnt matter what ELO you are in. you dont even know what is your elo anyways and probably dont even know how much ELO you are gaining and losing. doesnt matter what your win/lose is. its funny how you guys wanna talk about "viable in our ELO bracket".

wait for draft mode and then we talk about e-penis
pew pew
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
April 13 2010 01:23 GMT
#2698
On April 13 2010 10:04 geegee1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 09:33 redtooth wrote:
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.


lol jax is gamebreaking
On April 13 2010 09:35 Gao Xi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 09:33 redtooth wrote:
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.

I would've thought TF and fiddle would've been viable.
fail

On April 13 2010 10:18 oberon wrote:
When I was watching TakashiX last night, the two champs he played were Twitch and Kat. So "not viable in our ELO bracket" elitists can be safely ignored.

On another note: why do people suddenly buy haunting guise? What am I missing? If a good nuker blows all their skills, they're lucky to do 2K damage (Annie with 400 AP, for example, will NOT do 2k). This translates to, at a maximum, 200 life regened. Is the theory that this allows nukers to leave battle and heal by farming? Maybe I just haven't seen the thing used correctly...
lolololol takashi is the one exception to the kat rule. and haunting guise is amazing. they took away useless mini-regen, gave it health, ap, and mPen. what more can you ask for? it's still cheap too (still 1337 right?).
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 13 2010 01:50 GMT
#2699
On April 13 2010 10:04 geegee1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 09:33 redtooth wrote:
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.


lol jax is gamebreaking

It's fucking sarcasm, jesus christ. All of those heroes except maybe alistar after the nerf are very top tier.
On April 13 2010 10:22 geegee1 wrote:
it doesnt matter what ELO you are in. you dont even know what is your elo anyways and probably dont even know how much ELO you are gaining and losing. doesnt matter what your win/lose is. its funny how you guys wanna talk about "viable in our ELO bracket".

wait for draft mode and then we talk about e-penis

I can't tell if you're trolling or just plain stupid. You don't know your ELO bracket unless you go to the mIRC channel and ask for it, or you can just estimate it by playing games with people who are known top 500 players. Also you should assume that you need around 300+ wins with a 60% winrate to be in the "high ELO" bracket. 200+ with 60% or 300+ with 50-55% gets you into the "good ELO" bracket and anything under that is "Feeders and noobs".

For example, I know that you're in the "feeders and noobs" bracket by how you talk about how win/loss doesn't matter.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 13 2010 01:51 GMT
#2700
On April 13 2010 04:16 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 12 2010 23:38 Southlight wrote:
At your elo bracket, even Master Yi and Tryndamere can carry half the time. :d

"At your elo bracket" I got 55-60% winrate, dont assume something ya dont know...

It doesn't matter, you still have under 200 wins, you're not even playing good players yet.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
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