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Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 13 2010 01:51 GMT
#2701
STOP THE PRESSES A GREAT PLAYER CAN DO WELL WITH ANYONE!!111

lol

doesn't make kat good unfortunately
Brees on in
iccup
Profile Joined April 2010
6 Posts
April 13 2010 02:11 GMT
#2702
hey guys i'm the owner of the popular starcraft private server iCCup. i don't play this game much but i heard a great player can do well with anyone? or something along those lines. i suggest we stop the presses.
the presses
Profile Joined April 2010
1 Post
April 13 2010 02:20 GMT
#2703
i heard we should stop me? something about good players doing well with anyone.
bellweather
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States404 Posts
April 13 2010 02:35 GMT
#2704
LOL excellent
A mathematician is a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat which isnt' there. -Charles Darwin
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
April 13 2010 02:37 GMT
#2705
so i've been having an argument with my friend over whether AP TF is better than AS/AD TF

I go with AS/AD, but does anybody have any opinions?
The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
April 13 2010 02:40 GMT
#2706
On April 13 2010 11:11 iccup wrote:
hey guys i'm the owner of the popular starcraft private server iCCup. i don't play this game much but i heard a great player can do well with anyone? or something along those lines. i suggest we stop the presses.

On April 13 2010 11:20 the presses wrote:
i heard we should stop me? something about good players doing well with anyone.

jesus christ GOLD
geegee1
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States618 Posts
April 13 2010 02:57 GMT
#2707
On April 13 2010 10:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 10:04 geegee1 wrote:
On April 13 2010 09:33 redtooth wrote:
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.


lol jax is gamebreaking

It's fucking sarcasm, jesus christ. All of those heroes except maybe alistar after the nerf are very top tier.
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 10:22 geegee1 wrote:
it doesnt matter what ELO you are in. you dont even know what is your elo anyways and probably dont even know how much ELO you are gaining and losing. doesnt matter what your win/lose is. its funny how you guys wanna talk about "viable in our ELO bracket".

wait for draft mode and then we talk about e-penis

I can't tell if you're trolling or just plain stupid. You don't know your ELO bracket unless you go to the mIRC channel and ask for it, or you can just estimate it by playing games with people who are known top 500 players. Also you should assume that you need around 300+ wins with a 60% winrate to be in the "high ELO" bracket. 200+ with 60% or 300+ with 50-55% gets you into the "good ELO" bracket and anything under that is "Feeders and noobs".

For example, I know that you're in the "feeders and noobs" bracket by how you talk about how win/loss doesn't matter.


oh shit I CAN TOTALLY TELL SARCASM ON THE INTERNETZ

and on the top 500 just no. its been outdated. its not even reliable anymore. dude you dont even know how much you are gaining or losing just because someone has this amount of winrate or that amount doesnt tell you shit. so im 480-387 so using your awesome logic im high elo.

pew pew
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 03:18:08
April 13 2010 03:16 GMT
#2708
nah too easy
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 13 2010 03:49 GMT
#2709
On April 13 2010 11:57 geegee1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 10:50 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
On April 13 2010 10:04 geegee1 wrote:
On April 13 2010 09:33 redtooth wrote:
On April 13 2010 09:28 Gao Xi wrote:
Is there a list of unviable at higher ELO. Seems pretty interesting =o
soraka, taric, alistar, fiddle, nidalee, TF, trist. definitely not jax. jax sucks.


lol jax is gamebreaking

It's fucking sarcasm, jesus christ. All of those heroes except maybe alistar after the nerf are very top tier.
On April 13 2010 10:22 geegee1 wrote:
it doesnt matter what ELO you are in. you dont even know what is your elo anyways and probably dont even know how much ELO you are gaining and losing. doesnt matter what your win/lose is. its funny how you guys wanna talk about "viable in our ELO bracket".

wait for draft mode and then we talk about e-penis

I can't tell if you're trolling or just plain stupid. You don't know your ELO bracket unless you go to the mIRC channel and ask for it, or you can just estimate it by playing games with people who are known top 500 players. Also you should assume that you need around 300+ wins with a 60% winrate to be in the "high ELO" bracket. 200+ with 60% or 300+ with 50-55% gets you into the "good ELO" bracket and anything under that is "Feeders and noobs".

For example, I know that you're in the "feeders and noobs" bracket by how you talk about how win/loss doesn't matter.


oh shit I CAN TOTALLY TELL SARCASM ON THE INTERNETZ

and on the top 500 just no. its been outdated. its not even reliable anymore. dude you dont even know how much you are gaining or losing just because someone has this amount of winrate or that amount doesnt tell you shit. so im 480-387 so using your awesome logic im high elo.


If you're too stupid to identify a list of top tier characters I don't think you're a good player regardless of what your elo is, but if you are 480-387 and you're queuing vs good players than maybe you are high elo. YOU MIGHT BE. So what if the top 500 is outdated? You're not saying IM IN TEH TOP 500 CUZ I PLAY VS _____. It's more like "oh, I saw that guy on a high elo list, i might be getting into the upper brackets". If you queue against players that you see on phreak's stream, you're probably high ELO. It's a fucking estimation, not a hard science, and either way you know where you stand in terms of ELO by your winrate vs good players.

In case you didn't know, winning and losing directly influences your ELO.
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5464 Posts
April 13 2010 03:53 GMT
#2710
well you can tell if you're top tier cuz you get like 30 minute ques and play with others in top tier. and are you really 480-387? cuz that seems sorta bullshit after you went NO JAX IS GOOD after looking at that list.
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iccup
Profile Joined April 2010
6 Posts
April 13 2010 03:54 GMT
#2711
On April 13 2010 12:16 HeavOnEarth wrote:
nah too easy
on behalf of iccup, i would like to say:
+ Show Spoiler +
your mom is too easy
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-13 04:25:55
April 13 2010 03:57 GMT
#2712
On April 13 2010 11:37 G0dly wrote:
so i've been having an argument with my friend over whether AP TF is better than AS/AD TF

I go with AS/AD, but does anybody have any opinions?

welllllll, AP is ok in the context of being hybridish (sheen -> GRB -> Lich Bane or Triforce), but I personally think going straight AS/AD is more focused and generally better. The AP/hybrid builds still burst pretty well, but with stacked deck, TF has become a pretty respectable ranged DPS carry that offers some unique map control so I don't stray from going LW/Starks -> IE/BC with him anymore.

EDIT: Sarcasm fight!

EDIT: Pokey, I beat up on a scrubby game with the build you suggested with Kennen and it was pretty fun. Good looks, I guess I didn't realize how much I needed to invest in HP with him, but it played out pretty well (7/2/7 or something). I dunno, he still feels pretty underwhelming to me, but he can be a lot of fun.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 13 2010 07:22 GMT
#2713
On April 13 2010 12:54 iccup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 12:16 HeavOnEarth wrote:
nah too easy
on behalf of iccup, i would like to say:
+ Show Spoiler +
your mom is too easy

touche sir
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
g1rg10
Profile Joined October 2007
Italy186 Posts
April 13 2010 12:03 GMT
#2714
So I've recently started getting some 5man-premades going with my friends but we don't really know good setups for the team. We're currently running somthing along the lines of Amumu, Jax, Kassadin, TF and 1 support (either soraka, zilean or morgana), switching in Malphite, Annie, Fiddle or Ryze when one of us feels about playing another hero.
Is that any good any good of a setup? What should be changing?
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 13 2010 12:38 GMT
#2715
On April 13 2010 10:23 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2010 10:18 oberon wrote:
When I was watching TakashiX last night, the two champs he played were Twitch and Kat. So "not viable in our ELO bracket" elitists can be safely ignored.

On another note: why do people suddenly buy haunting guise? What am I missing? If a good nuker blows all their skills, they're lucky to do 2K damage (Annie with 400 AP, for example, will NOT do 2k). This translates to, at a maximum, 200 life regened. Is the theory that this allows nukers to leave battle and heal by farming? Maybe I just haven't seen the thing used correctly...
lolololol takashi is the one exception to the kat rule.
He has the secret rune no one else has? He uses her fifth skill? Clearly, she can be played at a high level. It may be harder to play her than, say, Tristana, but she's not inherently bad.
and haunting guise is amazing. they took away useless mini-regen, gave it health, ap, and mPen. what more can you ask for? it's still cheap too (still 1337 right?).


It just looks like a bad Rylai's to me. Rylai's is 700 for 20 AP and a CC on all your spells. Haunting guise is 575 for 20 magic pen and spell vamp. The 20 AP on Rylai's is worth at least 400 (the only way to get it cheaper is with mejai's), so you're paying 300 for an excellent passive. Guise is giving you a good passive and a mediocre one for 575. Plus, efficiency per item slot is MUCH better with Rylai's (obviously, since it uses better base items). Maybe I'm underestimating magic pen? Fiddle's one of my mains, so I could just try it I guess.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 13 2010 13:02 GMT
#2716
What? It's not even a balanced comparison. Haunting Guise in effect is the AP version of a Brutalizer. Guise vs Rylai's, no duh Rylai's is better. But for a caster, you're getting a good amount of HP/AP/Magic Pen for a middle tier item. The spell leech is just an added bonus.
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HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 13 2010 13:13 GMT
#2717
Magic pen is very good.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 13 2010 13:14 GMT
#2718
Theres a limited number of magic pen items you can get.. sorc boots void staff, and add haunting guise . nearly 100% magic pen basically ( with the magic pen mastery).. great on champions like karthus
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 13 2010 13:16 GMT
#2719
Why does the fucking queue take so god damn longg gaaah -_-
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
hazed
Profile Joined February 2009
United States42 Posts
April 13 2010 13:33 GMT
#2720
ROFL looked at the player list and realized that Spudboy is from these forums. Kid talks so much trash...

BTW me = COMEGETATASTE
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