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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 09 2010 18:34 GMT
#2621
lol, don't think Yiruru makes tanks a viable solo mid character. But regardless, some of you guys are downplaying Sivir a tad. She is a dps carry by all means, she just requires a little more farming than your typical true carries (Trist, Corki, etc).

Chalice is highly recommended because of BB. BB with something like a Bloodthirster will rape in a team fight.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 09 2010 18:48 GMT
#2622
I'm not downplaying her effect mid-late-game, but her early-game got destroyed by the range nerf, as she is no longer really viable in a solo lane. And in a partner lane, razing creepwaves is bad unless you're doing a pushing lane with a hero that doesn't require farm (ie. Alistar), otherwise razing creepwaves = your lane partner gets no moolah.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 09 2010 18:49 GMT
#2623
One of the keys with Sivir (and something I'm not sure gets enough attention) is that BB usage needs to oscillate based on the parity of your level. At levels 3, 5, 7, and 9 you should be using it a lot, while at 2, 4, 6, and 8 you should be using it very little (at level 1 you want to use it at least once so your mana regen is buying you something, but not much more than that). This can be the difference between getting completely outharassed by Nid/Ez/Ashe and holding your own (or taking the lane). The other key is spellshield -- I actually think spellshield timing is the #1 skill involved in playing Sivir.

That said, I'm not sure I'd say Sivir is a viable hard carry. She's often the other team's FF, but she won't win 2v1s the way other carries can.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
April 09 2010 19:56 GMT
#2624
On April 10 2010 03:34 NeoIllusions wrote:
lol, don't think Yiruru makes tanks a viable solo mid character. But regardless, some of you guys are downplaying Sivir a tad. She is a dps carry by all means, she just requires a little more farming than your typical true carries (Trist, Corki, etc).

Chalice is highly recommended because of BB. BB with something like a Bloodthirster will rape in a team fight.

WTF NEO, you play LoL? Add me!
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 09 2010 20:06 GMT
#2625
On April 10 2010 03:49 oberon wrote:
The other key is spellshield -- I actually think spellshield timing is the #1 skill involved in playing Sivir.
this is also highly overrated. yes it requires a lot of skill to get the timing down right but honestly its also a lot easier to counter it. a lot of spells are instant as soon as you're in range (or quick enough that you cant reasonably react in time) so you can just mess with the sivir's mind as much as you want. as kat i occasionally start running toward the sivir, force the spell shield, and just back off. or if she doesn't pop spell shield then i just stay in range and find an opportunity to do my usual shunpo+BB burst.

ok maybe she's not a TERRIBLE mid but really i think there are better ones. sivir isn't a real hard carry so she doesn't need the solo leveling/farming (twitch, trist). she doesn't have an awesome lvl 1 ulti that helps gank (TF, karthus, GP, ashe). she doesn't have amazing early game harass (ez, kat, teemo i guess). IMO sivir suffers from rolelessness early game. if she makes it into the late game having farmed well then she becomes a pushing monster. but i feel like more often then not she has to play catchup, something that can be avoided if she just went to the side lanes but that is bad for an entirely independent reason.
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Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
April 09 2010 20:29 GMT
#2626
Hahah, I also wouldn't play Teemo solo mid unless your team needs a solo mid and you just don't want to blow it - he'll beat 80% of solo mid characters out there.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Haemonculus
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
United States6980 Posts
April 10 2010 02:48 GMT
#2627
LOL Taric's new skin is 20 times more fabulous than any of his old ones.

When I get back into LoL he will definitely be my main!

<3 taric!
I admire your commitment to being *very* oily
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 10 2010 03:31 GMT
#2628
anybody want to tryhard smurf with me? add redt00th. i'll only be playing kat.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
pokeyAA
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
United States936 Posts
April 10 2010 04:09 GMT
#2629
i'd like to play period, stupid server's still down
Gao Xi
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Hong Kong5178 Posts
April 10 2010 04:45 GMT
#2630
My smurf: ZiZiyO
Can't play though, cause comps under repair.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 10 2010 05:12 GMT
#2631
so i got a sc2 beta key from my CSL coordinator. i played it for like 20 minutes and thought FUCK WHY AREN'T LOL SERVERS UP YET? sc2 is quite uninteresting.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
HeavOnEarth
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States7087 Posts
April 10 2010 05:50 GMT
#2632
I got sc2 plat in 2 or so days and im bored out of my mind. honestly i prefer LoL way more. I'll still give it a chance when the official release comes out though.
"come korea next time... FXO house... 10 korean, 10 korean"
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 10 2010 07:29 GMT
#2633
every time im a few IP away from buying something, i always beat myself up for buying eve.
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
April 10 2010 09:32 GMT
#2634
On April 10 2010 16:48 MYM.Testie wrote:
You guys know in that league of legends thread they actually discuss heros and strategy?!?!?!
wtf was like crossing the border into another culture
we have been looked down upon.
(from the hon/dota sausagefest.)
[formerly sponsored by the artist formerly known as Gene]
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-10 11:04:03
April 10 2010 10:13 GMT
#2635
I have to say, this thread is really taking off, hopefully we can keep up the good strategy related posts instead of all the shitposting that goes on in the hon/dota thread.

On that note I have nothing to say haha

edit: what do you guys think of the new revealed champ, garen? If you missed the livestream showing off his skills and stuff you can check it out here: http://www.xfire.com/stream_series/

He looks pretty damn good to me, he can spam his skills as much as he wants since he doesn't have any form of mana or energy related to casting spells and his regen looks insane. He'll be able to stay in lane forever!
u gotta sk8
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 10 2010 12:27 GMT
#2636
He looks like a Master Yi remake to me. Anti-slow, high melee DPS, no CC, and...Karthus' ult? Well, ok. The scaling ability seems kinda nice. I wonder if Yi will get a remake after this...
nataziel
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Australia1455 Posts
April 10 2010 12:54 GMT
#2637
Karthus ult? It's DoT, the lower health they are, the more damage it does... And he's anti-slow because that's a melee champs main weakness, they can't get into and out of battles effectively, which is why ranged carries are preferred in almost every case
u gotta sk8
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-10 13:48:18
April 10 2010 13:47 GMT
#2638
Hmmmm, bringing back the Sivir topic - what if you gave her lane partner that requires very little items - especially Allistar? We all know that Sivir+Alli is deadly pushing combo and Sivir can get all the gold she wants in this setup... I think i'll try this ;p

Garen looks awesome to me, i was very sceptical about shen and kennen but garen already has my love


Speaking of streams - when you are bored it is always good idea to watch Messiah's stream (or browse his on demand, but i think that you can't access it through zeroboy so you have to change tv.zeroboy.net part to livestream.com)
Ofc this is not the only stream out there - but it's the only one i'm watching Now there are some korean premade ppl streaming ATM cause he has premium acc and he isn't the only person streaming on this acc
oberon
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1320 Posts
April 10 2010 14:15 GMT
#2639
On April 10 2010 21:54 nataziel wrote:
Karthus ult? It's DoT, the lower health they are, the more damage it does... And he's anti-slow because that's a melee champs main weakness, they can't get into and out of battles effectively, which is why ranged carries are preferred in almost every case


The stream froze for me before I could see it in action. The way he talked about it made it sound like it hit everyone on the other team for X + Y, where X is constant and Y is based on their missing HP. If it's more like Morde (throw it on one enemy champ, it hits them based on how low they are) it's much worse, especially if its range isn't high.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
April 10 2010 15:57 GMT
#2640
On April 09 2010 22:31 Southlight wrote:
Cho'Gath has monster crit stats because a standard build on him involved Atma's Impaler, I believe.

Even an Atma's with an Inf. edge doesn't account for 800+ crits. It's definitely because feast on minions/hero kills is counted as a crit for 1k+ap.
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