• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 16:15
CEST 22:15
KST 05:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)10Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0TL Team Map Contest #5: Presented by Monster Energy4Code S RO8 Preview: herO, Zoun, Bunny, Classic7Code S RO8 Preview: Rogue, GuMiho, Solar, Maru3
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week1Firefly suspended by EWC, replaced by Lancer12Classic & herO RO8 Interviews: "I think it’s time to teach [Rogue] a lesson."2Rogue & GuMiho RO8 interviews: "Lifting that trophy would be a testament to all I’ve had to overcome over the years and how far I’ve come on this journey.8Code S RO8 Results + RO4 Bracket (2025 Season 2)14
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL Weekly Cups (June 9-15): herO doubles on GSL week Nexon wins bid to develop StarCraft IP content, distribute Overwatch mobile game Rogue EWC 2025 Hype Video!
Tourneys
RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 SOOP Starcraft Global #22 $3,500 WardiTV European League 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] Darkgrid Layout
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 478 Instant Karma Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target
Brood War
General
ASL20 Preliminary Maps BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Recent recommended BW games FlaSh Witnesses SCV Pull Off the Impossible vs Shu
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL20] GosuLeague RO16 - Tue & Wed 20:00+CET [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - WB Finals & LBR3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Beyond All Reason What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Echoes of Revolution and Separation
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NHL Playoffs 2024 2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
A Better Routine For Progame…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 6586 users

Through The Nydus Worm - Starcraft 2 Insight - Page 3

Forum Index > Final Edits
116 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
TonyL2
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
England1953 Posts
November 09 2008 19:53 GMT
#41
Awesome write up, I was wondering where this was but I guess it would only have been put up when it was "ready."

Interesting that zeals are so bad now There wasn't too much said about warp-in this time, that sounded to be useful, not quite as good as nydus of course though
antiq
Profile Joined June 2008
Slovakia191 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-09 20:24:01
November 09 2008 19:55 GMT
#42
On November 10 2008 04:47 parkin wrote:
This article made me alot more optimistic about SC2


This.

Also, you have no idea what a relief it is to close the stupid Localism, Globalism and Cultural Identity (M. Featherstone) bs and read this kind of text. Be glad you can read this ppl, it lets you use your imagination (which is usually better than the real thing..).

edit:: yes, and I'm hoping for a usable phoenix, colossus back to his sweeping laser attack and base armor of 2 for zealots :p in the next build. And next time please try out if storms are viable with smartcasting.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
November 09 2008 20:09 GMT
#43
Very long, very good. The game examples reminded me of when I used to read battle reports, before replays were implemented.

I wants to play...
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
SlickR12345
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Macedonia408 Posts
November 09 2008 20:11 GMT
#44
Amazing articles.

One thing i noticed, most of the balance you guys talked is negated by the time you get to the next articles, so I guess there is a decent balance in the game.

The things you agreed on were auto-mine has to go and slow unit spining or as some called it latency. I also agree with this.

Another thing is that many of you are giving MBS a decent responce and I also fully agree with this.

The main problems right now seem to be auto-mining and units turning animation.

As for balance its still early to judge!

Balance problems will mostly be solved in the beta stage.
GinNtoniC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Sweden2945 Posts
November 09 2008 20:23 GMT
#45
I read everything NeoIllusions's part. The article was just THAT big :S
I'll get back to it later, but great article - although it makes me rather nervous about whether this will be a game I'll enjoy more than 6 months after its release.
Huge fan of JulyZerg, HonestTea and that guy Kim Taek Yong.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 09 2008 20:30 GMT
#46
I have done it! I read the whole thing.

This makes me feel a ton better. <3 teamliquid for life
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 09 2008 20:34 GMT
#47
On November 10 2008 05:23 GinNtoniC wrote:
I read everything NeoIllusions's part. The article was just THAT big :S
I'll get back to it later, but great article - although it makes me rather nervous about whether this will be a game I'll enjoy more than 6 months after its release.


A good 4-5 hours on my segment + revisions.

I had a lot to say. :>
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Ghostclaws
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
114 Posts
November 09 2008 20:37 GMT
#48
Great reads, and watch, in Plexa's case. With such varied opinions (especially on not so controversial topics like what build is good, what unit beats which, what race is strong in that build, etc.), it feels like there are a large variety of ways to approach this game with your own style without being at a disadvantage. There's still so much more to learn and explore within the game.

My own opinions:
-the gas mechanic has a lot of potential early game, but is ignored later on
-too many animation frames/unit turning delays is a pretty big issue that I hope will be addressed
-pathfinding, army formation movement, and your own units moving to make way for a passing unit is another issue I think needs attention
-Terran was imbalanced and most powerful in this build at Blizzcon, though some units (Thor) seemed useless
-automine/mbs/infinite unit select are not deal breakers, though I'm still opposed to them
-want hotkey screens back (F2 F3 F4)
-definitely a fun game

Fun thing as a Terran: add-ons are interchangable between structures, so you can get a fast add-on for your starport/factory by building it with a barracks and lifting off. This also allows a easy transition from one tech level to another, bio to mech to air or backwards and inbetween so there's a lot more potential in different unit compositions.

Annnd much love to NeoIllusions, it was a memorable game for me as well
hhjkkjhgffghhgg, hhjkkjhgffghgff
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16976 Posts
November 09 2008 20:49 GMT
#49
Wow, great article and I actually read it all. I'm very encouraged by all the different opinions, which means that maybe there's still some variety left in the game.

I still can't decide what race I'd like to pick up on when SC2 comes out haha :D
Moderator
checo
Profile Joined November 2008
Mexico1364 Posts
November 09 2008 20:52 GMT
#50
Great article just 40min to read thx a lot i hope Bliz take care of most or all(yea rigth) the thinks you guys mark, Great Job and like we said in spanish En Hora Buena!!!

Att.Checo
El amor no mueve al mundo, ni hace brillar el sol, pero el amor hace latir este corazon....
SonuvBob
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
Aiur21549 Posts
November 09 2008 21:01 GMT
#51
On November 10 2008 04:21 SonuvBob wrote:
Digg!
http://digg.com/pc_games/Through_The_Nydus_Worm_Starcraft_2_Insight

Administrator
Ganfei
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Taiwan1439 Posts
November 09 2008 21:02 GMT
#52
Read the whole thing

They better fix some of that stuff

The writers didn't agree on anything, Chill said the Nydus worm was unbeatable and spiral said it was going to become the scout of SC2....how is it possible to have such vastly different views
You are crushing me like a cheese sandwich
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
November 09 2008 21:04 GMT
#53
Blizzard is lucky to have a community site like TL.net. Usually they would have to pay somebody to get a review like that.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
November 09 2008 21:07 GMT
#54
On November 10 2008 06:04 uNiGNoRe wrote:
Blizzard is lucky to have a community site like TL.net. Usually they would have to pay somebody to get a review like that.


I'm sure people would gladly give their reviews for free to be able to beta test SC2. That's kind of what BlizzCon was, a 2 day beta test. Chill said we probably rounded up 60 games in 2 days but to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if some of us played more than that.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
November 09 2008 21:26 GMT
#55
Zerg seems to be really boring, just mass ling and/or hydras with a couple roaches? So it's sauron-zerg every game basically?

Good read for sure.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
November 09 2008 21:50 GMT
#56
Thanks for the write-ups n_n

I am still upset somewhat... I will just see when it is released.
Peace~
Raelcun
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States3747 Posts
November 09 2008 22:15 GMT
#57
Long ass read but well written good job on that guys
Ki_Do
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Korea (South)981 Posts
November 09 2008 22:21 GMT
#58
so the game penalizes you for microing your zealots?
a-move > micro now? OMFG
I've got a point, and i'm ready to kill or die for it.
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 09 2008 22:30 GMT
#59
On November 10 2008 01:55 MasterOfChaos wrote:
So if I understand the article correctly the main problems you see are:
1. The cooperative pathing which is often better than manual micro and makes other types of micro like opening/closing chokes unnecessary
2. Automine which simplifies getting a good eco very much
3. The artificial features like the gas mechanic which should increase macro to compensate for UI improvements.

I think that is a good overview of what was said, of course there are other things which need fixing as well. #1 especially needs to have some attention paid to it.
TeamLiquids #1 illiterate writer, writin dem wordz is de hardz.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
November 09 2008 22:38 GMT
#60
Also, most of you seem to agree about the turning animation being way to tardy.

Hope they fix that.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 3h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 704
UpATreeSC 154
IndyStarCraft 144
Livibee 98
ProTech35
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 2722
EffOrt 664
Mini 605
Horang2 421
Soulkey 256
Dewaltoss 137
hero 72
Backho 10
yabsab 7
Shine 4
League of Legends
Dendi1520
Counter-Strike
fl0m4327
olofmeister2633
sgares436
Skadoodle292
zeus193
rGuardiaN146
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu557
Other Games
Grubby2961
summit1g1372
C9.Mang0481
Hui .135
KnowMe120
Fuzer 89
Trikslyr82
ViBE23
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV29
angryscii11
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta14
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• intothetv
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler151
• masondota238
League of Legends
• TFBlade1867
• Doublelift1181
Other Games
• imaqtpie1645
• WagamamaTV279
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
3h 45m
OSC
3h 45m
RSL Revival
13h 45m
Reynor vs Scarlett
ShoWTimE vs Classic
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
18h 45m
Replay Cast
1d 5h
SOOP
1d 12h
Cure vs Zoun
SC Evo League
1d 15h
Road to EWC
1d 17h
SOOP Global
1d 18h
Future vs MaNa
Harstem vs Cham
BSL: ProLeague
1d 21h
Sziky vs JDConan
Cross vs MadiNho
Hawk vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Circuito Brasileiro de…
1d 23h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Road to EWC
2 days
BSL: ProLeague
2 days
UltrA vs TBD
Dewalt vs TBD
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #3 - GSC
2025 GSL S2
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
Acropolis #3
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
Copa Latinoamericana 4
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025

Upcoming

NPSL Lushan
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.