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What about all the African children who have never touched a computer who have the potential to be amazing at Brood War? Does their lack of involvement cheapen the experience for you? The same can be said of every competition - aside from maybe football ("soccer"), there is no competition that the majority of potential top players even play at any point in their entire lives. That's just the way competition works - some people play the game and the best of those players rise to the top.
Honestly, I get where this argument is coming from - yes, BW pros who switch to SC2 will do well, yes, most of those doing well right now would fall behind if BW were to collapse tomorrow and a mass exodus were to occur - but I don't see why it's an "elephant in the room" (everyone knows this already, don't they?) or why it makes the competition worse. If anything, it's something to get excited about.
And, of course, let's not forget that SC2 isn't a year old. Let's compare BW of one year to SC2 right now. I recognise that it's not entirely comparable for a bunch of reasons, but then neither is comparing BW of twelve years to SC2's first. They're different things. Treat them differently. Enjoy one or the other or both. There's no need to insinuate that one competition is a joke when millions of people are enjoying competing in the game and hundreds of thousands enjoy watching its tournaments.
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On May 13 2011 09:21 s3raph wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:17 Synwave wrote:
You forget s3raph it supposedly was discussed fully in house... Supposedly doesn't mean that the decision is perfect. I fully contemplate the consequences of killing someone (as an extreme example), and the decision can still be wrong, inadequate, inefficient, or simply bad. I'm simply stating that if there was as much internal discussion as was suggested (and as we are believed to understand giving TL.net's standards), then I would have expected much higher editing standards regarding the tone, which a lot of people have talked about. I'm not responding to content. I'm responding to an inflammatory article published on a site I like to visit and, supposedly, actually takes into account forumite opinions when appropriate. That's all.
Inflammatory? It's a well written article which is well researched. Also an opinion piece, as clearly stated at the beginning of the article.
Are you saying that TL should degrade itself to only posting what it thinks everybody will love instead of actually featuring genuine content on the site?
I'm sorry but I can't possibly agree with that sentiment.
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On May 13 2011 09:19 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:16 s3raph wrote:On May 13 2011 09:08 Murderotica wrote:On May 13 2011 09:02 manloveman wrote:
I dont know who is worse. The bitter vets sperging bw>sc2 (including OP) or the sc2 noobs who is actually trying to argue against OP's logic.
The former group would not exist without the latter. Do you have anger issues or something? I fully admit that at times, the irritation I feel based on my opinions of other people's opinions will overwhelm me to respond to a post, but to do so as you have done, in such a short fashion much like a verbal expletive when someone kicks you in the balls seems heavily uncalled for. You've done this repeatedly in this thread too, and really, isn't it time to lay off the bottle? I know a few other ways to relieve stress other than snarky one-liners that make you sound like the poor kid wearing glasses with no friends and a whole lot of resentment. -_-;; Re: the OP and the topic at hand, TL.net decided to publish an article that ended up creating more division within the community. If there was internal discussion about the article, suggesting that there was some dissent as to whether it was publishable, then this article should have been edited much more carefully and thoughtfully for tone. As it stands, it is too easily misrepresented no matter how many disclaimers you add. Ultimately, as a reader and without responding to content, the article feels like a lapse in the professionalism I have come to expect from TL.net as an organization- particular vis-a-vis how TSL is being run and managed. How is what I said to you (the post you quoted) overly angry or anything? I don't understand. I admit I made some angry posts earlier, pardon my lack of self-control in the sense that I post on a forum where posters with less than a year tenure come into a thread listing statistical facts and start spouting bullshit opinions that have no facts behind them and effectively disrespect the game that this site was built on. If that is what it is to be wrong then I don't want to be right.
I'm not commenting on the the reasonings behind why you comment. I imply that I disapprove of them, but I certainly can understand; reading a certain level of vitriol will make certain people, myself included, overly hostile. What I am commenting on, however, is the frequent use of short, snarky comments as somehow an appropriate response. Just let the argument lie, man. As a third party to your interactions with other users (since I don't directly participate in them), it offends me greatly to see such disrespect between members. At the very least, can't you see new users as continual opportunities to a) make sure your arguments/viewpoints are strong and solid, and b) a chance to help others see things they might not be aware of?
I realize the irony of this situation,and I don't want this to turn into a 'you aren't acting like a proper forumer!' discussion (which I am dangerously close to forcing it to become), so let's agree to disagree and move on, if you are so inclined.
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On May 13 2011 09:26 catabowl wrote:
What the OP is missing is the fact this game is barely a year old. I guess SC BW was so dominating back in 2002. Oh yeah...
What I see is this... OP is mad because his view of "lesser" talent is running things right now in a sport he does not want to follow.
That is not the case. These BW pros saw an opportunity to make it big and took it. The only thing you can compare BW/WC3 to SC2 is skill set. In Both games you need quick reaction times, quick decision making, and Micro/Macro.
And lastly... to everyone saying SC2 is Paper, Rock, Scissors... L O L
Scouting in SC2 is MORE IMPORTANT than SC1. Because there are more than just one counter to opening builds unlike BW. In BW, there's barely more than 2 counters to an opening.
You do realize scouting is only important because there is no real way to scout in SC2 right?
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On May 13 2011 09:15 Murderotica wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:11 naggerNZ wrote:
This thread = SC2 players getting angry at the suggestion that the top players in their game aren't as good as the top players from a different game and BW players getting the opportunity to insult anyone who didn't follow BW. I wish there was a system on TL to upvote posts and have posts be ordered by rating not just chronological order. EDIT: By this I am saying that this is a good post.
They have that, it's called reddit. In particular /r/starcraft 
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On May 13 2011 09:23 Takezou wrote:
Well written or not, well researched or not, the article is basically taking a piss in sc2 cheerios.
Posting this as a featured article is in poor taste and every sc2 fan who is upset by it has every right to be.
No one should be happy being told that their favorite players are crap and their wins are meaningless.
I disagree, only someone who holds the scene as something holy or not familiar with final editswould be upset by this. The article has some point, with fiery writing that final edits are known for.
This paragraph in particular is something that I will focus on:
In fact, the standards have already lowered for some big names: In his TSL interview, MVP states that he'd "rather play Starcraft 2 for fun, instead of [focus] on achievements". TesteR and FruitDealer left their first team oGs (where they were known as oGsSKS and oGsCool, respectively) only a couple months after beta to "enjoy SC2 as freely as possible." What does it say about the scene then, when a bottom-tier burnout from Brood War on a relaxed practice regimen still wins the GSL?
I think its more of a wakeup call to some players in light of those comments which have been largely ignored, letting them know that even though they are at the top of the scene right now, they shouldn't relax and should practice hard to push the scene, as there are players who can switch at any moment who have the potential to be better than them in a short time.
Comments like these by players should be looked at negatively, and spectators should be offended by them, as in the end no matter how many spectators there are, it is going to be the players who will push the game and make it entertaining.
Never in that article does it say their wins are meaningless. A GSL win is a GSL win, noone is taking that away frim them. The "farce" comment was there to generate attention and boy did it.
The author actually commends SlayerS for having the more structred practice routine that they do.
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On May 13 2011 09:11 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:02 manloveman wrote:
I dont know who is worse. The bitter vets sperging bw>sc2 (including OP) or the sc2 noobs who is actually trying to argue against OP's logic.
While OP is very solid in his arguments, there is one thing he is dead wrong about. The sc2 scene is not a farce. While its top korean players where nobody in bw, and the game itself is a lot less mechanical, dare I say more casual, they still represent the best there is in the current sc2 scene. They are still competing and I'm still entertained and following.
If you wonna watch super skilled gameplay that the sc2 scene is still working its towards, then fine with me. Just dont belittle the ones that just wonna see the current best of the game they play and enjoy. I agree with you that they do represent the best of the current sc2 scene. But that's irrelevant to whether they are a farce or not. The farce aspect comes because there may be better players out there who, for whatever reasons, refuse to play sc2. This makes sc2 look like a minor league. (whether it's true or not doesn't matter, since that's the public perception in korea, and perception is what drives advertising sales). So in the mind of BW fans, two questions arise: 1.) why would i want to watch minor league players? and 2.) why are they getting paid so much money? I raised this earlier in the thread but i'm going to bring it up again. SC2 feels like Guitar Hero, while BW feels like real guitar played by geniuses. This may or may not be true. But when a product imitates an already popular product, the burden of proof lies on the newcomer to show beyond all doubt not only that they are the superior product, but they can attract buyers as well. (See: Motorola Xoom vs. Ipad 2. Xoom may have superior stats but no one buys it.)
1.) why would i want to watch minor league players?
Because less than 10% of the total Starcraft scene still cares about BW and a good 8% of those are in Korea.
2.) why are they getting paid so much money?
Because Sponsors are backing a much much much much much better game that is visually stunning and appealing to everyone. Everyone. Not just Korea.
Why do sponsors get behind new games? Because they require better computers. So when a company like Intel gets behind players and events, its because they want you to buy their products to play this game. Salaries like Jaedungs and Flush won't last long.
Companies want you to splurge on new computers. It's not pretty but its the truth.
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On May 13 2011 09:11 d_so wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:02 manloveman wrote:
I dont know who is worse. The bitter vets sperging bw>sc2 (including OP) or the sc2 noobs who is actually trying to argue against OP's logic.
While OP is very solid in his arguments, there is one thing he is dead wrong about. The sc2 scene is not a farce. While its top korean players where nobody in bw, and the game itself is a lot less mechanical, dare I say more casual, they still represent the best there is in the current sc2 scene. They are still competing and I'm still entertained and following.
If you wonna watch super skilled gameplay that the sc2 scene is still working its towards, then fine with me. Just dont belittle the ones that just wonna see the current best of the game they play and enjoy. I agree with you that they do represent the best of the current sc2 scene. But that's irrelevant to whether they are a farce or not. The farce aspect comes because there may be better players out there who, for whatever reasons, refuse to play sc2. This makes sc2 look like a minor league. (whether it's true or not doesn't matter, since that's the public perception in korea, and perception is what drives advertising sales). So in the mind of BW fans, two questions arise: 1.) why would i want to watch minor league players? and 2.) why are they getting paid so much money? I raised this earlier in the thread but i'm going to bring it up again. SC2 feels like Guitar Hero, while BW feels like real guitar played by geniuses. This may or may not be true. But when a product imitates an already popular product, the burden of proof lies on the newcomer to show beyond all doubt not only that they are the superior product, but they can attract buyers as well. (See: Motorola Xoom vs. Ipad 2. Xoom may have superior stats but no one buys it.)
It may feel like it at the time, but baby steps man. If you took a snapshot of any pro gamer during the inception of ICCUP, I can almost guarantee you they'd only be playing at a current C, maybe B level, tops.
It "imitates" BW because its a fricking sequel. It's essentially a very darn similar game. But not exactly the same. If Blizzard wanted to create a copy with new graphics and what not, they could have done that. But they didn't, they made a new game for us to play and learn. It's less Guitar Hero vs a Guitar (which is a very crude and condecending analogy by the way), they're both Guitars, just on one you're playing Classical while on the other you're playing Flamenco. Or whatever type of musics you like.
Yes, a lot of the mechanical skills transfer. But there is much more to SC2 than just that, and once it gets figured out (which may be months from now or years from now), it will start to resemble BW more.
I'm just not sure how to view these posts by BW players. Are you saying these things while realizing that SC2 is in it's infancy? Did you really expect SC2 to come out of the box as fully understood as BW? Or are you just ripping on SC2 for some unknown reason?
Boggles the mind.
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On May 13 2011 09:28 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:21 s3raph wrote:On May 13 2011 09:17 Synwave wrote:
You forget s3raph it supposedly was discussed fully in house... Supposedly doesn't mean that the decision is perfect. I fully contemplate the consequences of killing someone (as an extreme example), and the decision can still be wrong, inadequate, inefficient, or simply bad. I'm simply stating that if there was as much internal discussion as was suggested (and as we are believed to understand giving TL.net's standards), then I would have expected much higher editing standards regarding the tone, which a lot of people have talked about. I'm not responding to content. I'm responding to an inflammatory article published on a site I like to visit and, supposedly, actually takes into account forumite opinions when appropriate. That's all. Inflammatory? It's a well written article which is well researched. Also an opinion piece, as clearly stated at the beginning of the article. Are you saying that TL should degrade itself to only posting what it thinks everybody will love instead of actually featuring genuine content on the site? I'm sorry but I can't possibly agree with that sentiment.
How is that statement even REMOTELY similar to what I said. I even said I'm not commenting on content, just on tone. I also noted (although not in that post) that the article is too easily misrepresented. Yes, of course I know it's an opinion, but the sheer fact that many community members have misunderstood has to be considered at some point. I believe it should have been considered during the editing process and the tone modified.
I am not at all talking about content. Please don't put words in my mouth. My only comment is that a) the tone of the article is inflammatory, b) the article is too easily misconstrued despite any level of disclaimer, and c) the staff should have anticipated these potential consequences and adjusted their editing appropriately in this one instance.
I'm certainly not commenting on overall site management either. Please don't misunderstand.
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On May 13 2011 08:51 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 07:56 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 07:54 TheButtonmen wrote:On May 13 2011 07:40 Beyonder wrote:On May 13 2011 07:36 sermokala wrote:
Its stuff like this is why I hate all the stuff that keeps coming out of the BW diehards. Why can't they Support SC2 and not just shit on it every single chance they get.
Just so my point is clear We have Not one but TWO $50k leagues that are primarily america based and The scene is growing every single month. And yet the top community site must have an article on the front page saying how the entire world of sc2 is a farce and all the storylines that we've really been happy about is just total shit and we're all failures that have no hope against 300 people that don't speak English and have nothing at all for use to even care about if we're not extreme fanboys that love watching a game that looks like total shit compared to every other game.
TLDR: reaction: But everyone come back and watch the TSL3 Finals this weekend which is going to be total shit beacuse no one whos not asian and plays BW is total shit. What kind of message does this send? Its one mans view.. and it is an awesome article that adresses an interesting point. He should not voice his opinion? O_O If it's just his opinion why is it on the front page news instead of a spot lighted blog? Why are so many mods backing him up? If a SC2 fan made a thread like this attacking BW the thread would be closed and they would be warned / banned but when a BW player attacks the SC2 then it gets put on the front page? Because it is a Final Edit, and that has always been front page news. And some staff agrees with this, at least parts. We actually had a huge internal discussion about the conclusions and claims too its not that black and white. And no, if the SC2 fan would write his thoughts out eloquently, there's no way we would close it and/or ban. One I dont buy this. Two if in fact the staff had a huge internal discussion regarding this post then why have a double standard? If I posted something like this I would be banned for a week. A number of top tier TLers (from BW backgrounds) have said its insulting and inflammatory. If the staff had a "huge internal discussion" then why does the staff seem so divided on this topic. If not divided then why does this "news post" break a number of posting rules that this site lives by. Maybe Im missing something. Im open to that.
You didn't miss a bit, you invented one; where staff having an internal discussion and staff being divided are mutually exclusive. Like...what?
And to imply you would have been banned for posting this is laughable. I'm pretty sure this OP is exactly the type and quality of discussion that TL wishes to foster. But hey, if your victim complex is telling you that the staff post whatever they can shit out while they circle like vultures waiting for you to slip up, well don't let me stop you.
On a side note I think a lot of people got hung up on the use of the word 'farce' here, interpreting it as an unnecessarily grave insult; if intrigue believes that the sense of drama and mystique surrounding the top dogs of SC2 is diminished by the conspicuous lack of truly talented (and on form) superhumans of SC1, 'farce' isn't exactly an insult, it's just the correct description.
Besides, I don't even get why people are sensitive enough to get mad. If you love and believe in SC2, just carry on with your life. Getting angry when someone doesn't agree with you is often a sign that you are uncomfortable with your viewpoint being challenged because you are probably wrong.
More to the point, what is it that Tycho of Penny Arcade said when Roger Ebert claimed video games would never be art; why does it matter to you what this man thinks? He can't make your experiences unreal, he can't make you stop what you feel watching Nestea or Idra or Thorzain play.
...and if he can then it means he's right and there's no reason to be angry.
So chill.
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On May 13 2011 09:28 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:21 s3raph wrote:On May 13 2011 09:17 Synwave wrote:
You forget s3raph it supposedly was discussed fully in house... Supposedly doesn't mean that the decision is perfect. I fully contemplate the consequences of killing someone (as an extreme example), and the decision can still be wrong, inadequate, inefficient, or simply bad. I'm simply stating that if there was as much internal discussion as was suggested (and as we are believed to understand giving TL.net's standards), then I would have expected much higher editing standards regarding the tone, which a lot of people have talked about. I'm not responding to content. I'm responding to an inflammatory article published on a site I like to visit and, supposedly, actually takes into account forumite opinions when appropriate. That's all. Inflammatory? It's a well written article which is well researched. Also an opinion piece, as clearly stated at the beginning of the article. Are you saying that TL should degrade itself to only posting what it thinks everybody will love instead of actually featuring genuine content on the site? I'm sorry but I can't possibly agree with that sentiment.
Why can't a well-written and well-researched article be inflammatory?
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On May 13 2011 09:29 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:26 catabowl wrote:
What the OP is missing is the fact this game is barely a year old. I guess SC BW was so dominating back in 2002. Oh yeah...
What I see is this... OP is mad because his view of "lesser" talent is running things right now in a sport he does not want to follow.
That is not the case. These BW pros saw an opportunity to make it big and took it. The only thing you can compare BW/WC3 to SC2 is skill set. In Both games you need quick reaction times, quick decision making, and Micro/Macro.
And lastly... to everyone saying SC2 is Paper, Rock, Scissors... L O L
Scouting in SC2 is MORE IMPORTANT than SC1. Because there are more than just one counter to opening builds unlike BW. In BW, there's barely more than 2 counters to an opening. You do realize scouting is only important because there is no real way to scout in SC2 right?
Oh hey, that reminds me! I need to watch the new day[9] daily about scouting without directly seeing things
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The issue I have with this editorial is that it is just not very good. It's all very well saying "It provokes a response", but is that really a good thing? Tabloid journalism is designed to provoke a response. And to my mind, that's what this article is. A piece of tabloid style "news" with spurious facts and a heavy dose of opinion thrown in.
I'm not suggesting that ever article on TL should be an academic paper of publishable quality, I'd just prefer not to see people like the OP and others start judging their "success" based on the amount of discussion they provoke, and creating more articles of this quality.
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Most of the people that says "This game is only 1 year old, give it time!" and that micro will be better, I'll say to them that when BoxeR was playing back in the days where RTS knowledge is very limited, his plays were like O_O to me. The brilliant strategy that he did, the dropship plays, the ballz of steel he had with innovating new things to every games was just awe-inspiring. I was immediately a fan of his and that charismatic look of his (yes, I admit that he is handsome). The micro he did even in today is considered to be REALLY high level that only a few can replicate. But when I look at him playing in SC2, it just doesn't feel the same. Its like "Yes he is getting dropship" but nothing really amazing happening. It feels that he is trying really hard to innovate but the game is failing him. And that makes me sad.
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On May 13 2011 09:25 Bobster wrote:I'm actually interested in the usage stats of Team Liquid now. Is there a way to look how many of the members are here for BW only or SC2 only or both? Is there a way to see total volume of the SC2 and the BW subforums and activity stats? + Show Spoiler +
Or just put a like/dislike sticker under this editorial. :lol
Not exactly what you asked for, but should be useful. Scroll down to the end of the op.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=214457
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Also the line about 300 players could dominate gsl in a couple months is a bit of a farce itself. There are maybe 5-10 that could switch now and be that dominant, and any a teamer if they worked hard could catch up in maybe 4-6 months but implying that they would win gsl's in 60 days is a joke.
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On May 13 2011 09:31 reg0ner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:11 d_so wrote:On May 13 2011 09:02 manloveman wrote:
I dont know who is worse. The bitter vets sperging bw>sc2 (including OP) or the sc2 noobs who is actually trying to argue against OP's logic.
While OP is very solid in his arguments, there is one thing he is dead wrong about. The sc2 scene is not a farce. While its top korean players where nobody in bw, and the game itself is a lot less mechanical, dare I say more casual, they still represent the best there is in the current sc2 scene. They are still competing and I'm still entertained and following.
If you wonna watch super skilled gameplay that the sc2 scene is still working its towards, then fine with me. Just dont belittle the ones that just wonna see the current best of the game they play and enjoy. I agree with you that they do represent the best of the current sc2 scene. But that's irrelevant to whether they are a farce or not. The farce aspect comes because there may be better players out there who, for whatever reasons, refuse to play sc2. This makes sc2 look like a minor league. (whether it's true or not doesn't matter, since that's the public perception in korea, and perception is what drives advertising sales). So in the mind of BW fans, two questions arise: 1.) why would i want to watch minor league players? and 2.) why are they getting paid so much money? I raised this earlier in the thread but i'm going to bring it up again. SC2 feels like Guitar Hero, while BW feels like real guitar played by geniuses. This may or may not be true. But when a product imitates an already popular product, the burden of proof lies on the newcomer to show beyond all doubt not only that they are the superior product, but they can attract buyers as well. (See: Motorola Xoom vs. Ipad 2. Xoom may have superior stats but no one buys it.) 1.) why would i want to watch minor league players? Because less than 10% of the total Starcraft scene still cares about BW and a good 8% of those are in Korea. 2.) why are they getting paid so much money? Because Sponsors are backing a much much much much much better game that is visually stunning and appealing to everyone. Everyone. Not just Korea. Why do sponsors get behind new games? Because they require better computers. So when a company like Intel gets behind players and events, its because they want you to buy their products to play this game. Salaries like Jaedungs and Flush won't last long. Companies want you to splurge on new computers. It's not pretty but its the truth. Uhh its the other way around. Sponsors get behind games that they think will have a lot of viewers on the games so a large audience to show their products to. and guess what, in korea that audience is the mmo's. and brood war, as far as esports are concerned. sc2 is significantly smaller, hence the argument of OP.
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On May 13 2011 09:29 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:26 catabowl wrote:
What the OP is missing is the fact this game is barely a year old. I guess SC BW was so dominating back in 2002. Oh yeah...
What I see is this... OP is mad because his view of "lesser" talent is running things right now in a sport he does not want to follow.
That is not the case. These BW pros saw an opportunity to make it big and took it. The only thing you can compare BW/WC3 to SC2 is skill set. In Both games you need quick reaction times, quick decision making, and Micro/Macro.
And lastly... to everyone saying SC2 is Paper, Rock, Scissors... L O L
Scouting in SC2 is MORE IMPORTANT than SC1. Because there are more than just one counter to opening builds unlike BW. In BW, there's barely more than 2 counters to an opening. You do realize scouting is only important because there is no real way to scout in SC2 right?
Yes, scouting doesn't exist in SC2 like it did in BW. I mean, Zerg doesn't have overlords anymore, Terran doesn't have scan, and Protoss lost the observ-
Wait.
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On May 13 2011 09:29 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:26 catabowl wrote:
What the OP is missing is the fact this game is barely a year old. I guess SC BW was so dominating back in 2002. Oh yeah...
What I see is this... OP is mad because his view of "lesser" talent is running things right now in a sport he does not want to follow.
That is not the case. These BW pros saw an opportunity to make it big and took it. The only thing you can compare BW/WC3 to SC2 is skill set. In Both games you need quick reaction times, quick decision making, and Micro/Macro.
And lastly... to everyone saying SC2 is Paper, Rock, Scissors... L O L
Scouting in SC2 is MORE IMPORTANT than SC1. Because there are more than just one counter to opening builds unlike BW. In BW, there's barely more than 2 counters to an opening. You do realize scouting is only important because there is no real way to scout in SC2 right?
How do you scout without having a real way to scout? Thats really deep. I'm getting a headache thinking about it now.
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On May 13 2011 09:31 reg0ner wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 09:11 d_so wrote:On May 13 2011 09:02 manloveman wrote:
I dont know who is worse. The bitter vets sperging bw>sc2 (including OP) or the sc2 noobs who is actually trying to argue against OP's logic.
While OP is very solid in his arguments, there is one thing he is dead wrong about. The sc2 scene is not a farce. While its top korean players where nobody in bw, and the game itself is a lot less mechanical, dare I say more casual, they still represent the best there is in the current sc2 scene. They are still competing and I'm still entertained and following.
If you wonna watch super skilled gameplay that the sc2 scene is still working its towards, then fine with me. Just dont belittle the ones that just wonna see the current best of the game they play and enjoy. I agree with you that they do represent the best of the current sc2 scene. But that's irrelevant to whether they are a farce or not. The farce aspect comes because there may be better players out there who, for whatever reasons, refuse to play sc2. This makes sc2 look like a minor league. (whether it's true or not doesn't matter, since that's the public perception in korea, and perception is what drives advertising sales). So in the mind of BW fans, two questions arise: 1.) why would i want to watch minor league players? and 2.) why are they getting paid so much money? I raised this earlier in the thread but i'm going to bring it up again. SC2 feels like Guitar Hero, while BW feels like real guitar played by geniuses. This may or may not be true. But when a product imitates an already popular product, the burden of proof lies on the newcomer to show beyond all doubt not only that they are the superior product, but they can attract buyers as well. (See: Motorola Xoom vs. Ipad 2. Xoom may have superior stats but no one buys it.) 1.) why would i want to watch minor league players? Because less than 10% of the total Starcraft scene still cares about BW and a good 8% of those are in Korea. 2.) why are they getting paid so much money? Because Sponsors are backing a much much much much much better game that is visually stunning and appealing to everyone. Everyone. Not just Korea. Why do sponsors get behind new games? Because they require better computers. So when a company like Intel gets behind players and events, its because they want you to buy their products to play this game. Salaries like Jaedungs and Flush won't last long. Companies want you to splurge on new computers. It's not pretty but its the truth.
The korean scene in general follows scbw much closer than they follow sc2... for the most part.
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