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Calgary26003 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it).
Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly some level yet to be agreed upong of belittling.
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On May 13 2011 04:47 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly belittling.
Can't blame him. Any true die-hard SC:BW will write this that way. One needs to be touched by SC:BW to understand how great it is. :D
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Until SC2: Legacy of the Void comes out and Blizzard balances the entire game in stone, we can make better comparisons. SC2 is still in it's infancy as an E-Sport.
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On May 13 2011 04:47 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly belittling.
Wait... slightly belittling? It starts with a nice bolded "The competition in SC2 thus far has been a farce." and doesn't exactly get a whole lot better.
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On May 13 2011 04:47 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly belittling.
I've made intrigue's exact point (that SC2 pros are not playing at anything near the highest levels and thus the game has room to grow) in SC2 vs BW threads before I grew out of that. The problem with the OP is that it implies Flash et al would crush SC2 because they're just better human beings than the SC2 pros, who suck because they're lazy. That riles people up.
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Garry Kasparov, Phil Ivey and Napoleon Bonaparte would do crazy things on sc2
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On May 13 2011 04:51 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:47 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly belittling. I've made intrigue's exact point (that SC2 pros are not playing at anything near the highest levels and thus the game has room to grow) in SC2 vs BW threads before I grew out of that. The problem with the OP is that it implies Flash et al would crush SC2 because they're just better human beings than the SC2 pros, who suck because they're lazy. That riles people up.
There really should be no et al after flash 
jaedong kinda I guess. but who is in a group with flash, lets be honest
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On May 13 2011 04:49 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:47 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly belittling. Can't blame him. Any true die-hard SC:BW will write this that way. One needs to be touched by SC:BW to understand how great it is. :D
OP is a great example of BW's biggest flaw, though.
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Yeah, there's nothing 'slight' about starting of your piece with a bold headline calling something a lot of people care a lot about and have worked hard for (few as hard as Chill) a "farce."
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different game. irrelevant article
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On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. People not from the BW scene may not appreciate this fact and think it's elitism, but it's pretty objective. When you see a professional play BW, they are so amazingly good that you could never even come close to executing anything they do. And that's the result of YEARS of practice for 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 350 days a year, more or less. SC2 will get there, and will get there faster. It's just not there yet.
I really haven't seen anyone disagree with the core point of the OP, which is why (as you've said) I don't see the point of tacking on all of the dismissiveness for SC2 as it currently exists (players, metagame et all). In addition, why title this "the elephant in the room" when it is more like a the coat check attendant that everyone acknowledges and nods their heads to as they sit down to watch a few games?
Also, this reads like it was written in January instead of today as the game and the community develop at a breakneck pace that very arguably exceeds that of the original Starcraft (you know, before the only expansion... one of which SC2 has still not received). If HotS had come out and we have seen no player development, then this seems like a fair argument to make about the how SC2 is failing to deliver play and players equal to BW, but so far I don't see that being the case.
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Calgary26003 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:53 SlimeBagly wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing 'slight' about starting of your piece with a bold headline calling something a lot of people care a lot about and have worked hard for (few as hard as Chill) a "farce."
Do we need to argue about the degree of belittling now? Jesus Christ this is getting to a new level of political correctness.
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On May 13 2011 04:49 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:47 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly belittling. Can't blame him. Any true die-hard SC:BW will write this that way. One needs to be touched by SC:BW to understand how great it is. :D
And one needs to be touched in the head to think that anyone decent from BW could trounce everyone top player in SC2.
Brood War is a great game, don't belittle the SC2 professionals.
Also, I can't get over how that Hot_Bid quote was used when it explicitly says that the general pros form BW wouldn't necessarily destroy everyone in the SC2 scene, but the special outliers of any game would do well, because they're special. So out of place to me.
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i come here for the sc2 tournament threads and this is the first article i have bothered to read on the main page because the image is from gsl which i enjoy watching almost daily. its pretty terrible, if not only because i find pro-sc2 very entertaining and this article means pretty much nothing. if you dont play sc2, then who cares about you other than bw fans? until these amazing bw players switch to sc2 i really dont give a damn about them....sorry. if i wanted id go on about how cs 1.6 was the most competitive and entertaining esport of all time due not only to the required skill level, but the amount of TEAMWORK that was required to win. i find 1v1 rts games to lack that very important element and due to it, not up to par with competitive cs, but i still watch it because i am a fan, afterall.
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Two of the main reasons mediocre BW players can have a lot of success in SC2 is that it's not a fully-understood game. Mechanics are important (although less so), but if you have a better understanding of the game than your opponent, there are legit opportunities to exploit this. You can innovate in a way that doesn't exist anymore in BW. As someone who really enjoyed watching those evolutions in BW, I think this is fantastic and a compelling reason to watch SC2 pros.
As for the money, sure, the top earners have no incentive to move over. But certainly some of the A-teamers who aren't making top dollar will see the potential for a lot of tournament victories in SC2 and consider a switch. I look forward to it. More players, better players playing SC2.
Over the next couple years, there will be a TON of turnover in terms of the best players, but that's the nature of an evolving game. It should be great to watch.
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On May 13 2011 04:57 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:53 SlimeBagly wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing 'slight' about starting of your piece with a bold headline calling something a lot of people care a lot about and have worked hard for (few as hard as Chill) a "farce." Do we need to argue about the degree of belittling now? Jesus Christ this is getting to a new level of political correctness.
The op is 80 mili-idras.
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On May 13 2011 04:57 Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:53 SlimeBagly wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing 'slight' about starting of your piece with a bold headline calling something a lot of people care a lot about and have worked hard for (few as hard as Chill) a "farce." Do we need to argue about the degree of belittling now? Jesus Christ this is getting to a new level of political correctness.
The belittling in this thread is a farce, just wait until the S-class belittlers join in on this discussion.
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On May 13 2011 04:51 Ribbon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:47 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:46 Vendor wrote:On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote:On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:23 Fanatic-Templar wrote:On May 13 2011 03:48 Rinnegan5 wrote:
And it's not even about BW supremacy. Intrigue provides an objective argument that you guys fail to understand because of your own biases toward SC2. Take a second and think about it logically....It's a well-articulated piece that is worthy to be called the first final edit of SC2. Right, let's look at this objectively. What's your point, Intrigue? On May 12 2011 13:32 intrigue wrote:
What’s your point?
I am saying that there are 300 current pros and semi-pros that have the potential to come in and dominate SC2 at any moment, with a latency of a few months from the day they switch. Among this group there are a notable few that CRUSH any other players in terms of raw talent and/or work ethic and/or ability to learn. This knowledge cheapens any form of competition I see right now, no matter how much I try to enjoy the games.
I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). Yep, I agree. The tone isn't positive and uplifting, it's negative and slightly belittling. I've made intrigue's exact point (that SC2 pros are not playing at anything near the highest levels and thus the game has room to grow) in SC2 vs BW threads before I grew out of that. The problem with the OP is that it implies Flash et al would crush SC2 because they're just better human beings than the SC2 pros, who suck because they're lazy. That riles people up.
You can argue that it implies Flash is a better human being but honestly I didnt get that notion at all. He gave supporting evidence as to why BW pros do so well in his section "Why do these specific players do so well?" Basically the best players practice, practice and pratice and when thats done they practice some more, not because somehow they are better human beings than SC2 pros.
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Since we're throwing analogies and metaphors around, here's mine.
The reaction I see in this thread is similar to the stereotypical angry backlash of Muslim extremists upon hearing any criticism of their beliefs. Only this time it ain't Mohammad, its SC2.
On May 13 2011 02:05 ZombiesOMG wrote:
Don't you even fucking try to make me or anyone else feel like what we choose to enjoy is lame or a "farce". That's what 10 year old kids do.
This is why people can't have rational discussions about somewhat controversial ideas. All the points of the OP were well-worded, well-supported with stats, and the points made were accurate, yet strong emotions are involved because nobody likes criticism or feeling inferior.
Let's face it, GSL is indeed dominated by B-class ex-BW pros, and all the former GSL winners were indeed B-class ex-BW pros. There's a correlation, and if you don't see the correlation, perhaps take a stats class or reevaluate your logic. Regardless, now its time to interpret this fact.
To me, this simple fact does cheapen the SC2 scene. A bunch of nobodies and heros that have fallen from grace from the BW scene now are at the forefront of this new SC2 scene. Its like the big fishes got tired of swimming in the ocean and are now messing shit up back at the pond.
Nobody is saying that SC2 isn't fun to watch and play, that's why our community is so big. Nobody is saying SC2 pros don't work hard; they work hard everyday. I'm not saying I'm better than SC2 pros. The cruel reality is that the SC2 competitive scene is dominated by wash-up people from the old scene. That's a dirty truth we just have to live with, and move on.
With this conclusion though, it suggests that there is more room for improvement in the SC2, with more training, and better players entering the scene. It'll be interesting to see what happens in a year. People just need to chill out.
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On May 13 2011 05:00 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2011 04:57 Chill wrote:On May 13 2011 04:53 SlimeBagly wrote:
Yeah, there's nothing 'slight' about starting of your piece with a bold headline calling something a lot of people care a lot about and have worked hard for (few as hard as Chill) a "farce." Do we need to argue about the degree of belittling now? Jesus Christ this is getting to a new level of political correctness. The belittling in this thread is a farce, just wait until the S-class belittlers join in on this discussion.
I can't really take this article seriously knowing there are much better writers out there not writing for TL
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