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I)etox
1240 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:35 cursor wrote: He is complimenting Starcraft 2 as a game, and making a point about the player pool. HENCE- the unrealized potential of the game. You. Damn. Fools. Too bad everyone can't see past the "bw elitism" and see this point right here. | ||
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Flycycle
United States102 Posts
I'm hoping one day there's an influx of guys that come over from Brood War, But That would certainly mean the death of that scene to me. JD and Flash popping over would be amazing though. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:25 Chill wrote: I think that's a pretty stupid conclusion. How could you ever enjoy anything in your life knowing you're not watching the absolute best? Edit: That's not even correct. You are watching the best, but not the highest potential. That makes it even harder to enjoy anything in life. Wow that play was amazing but was it the absolute best possible play. Surely not. Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:35 cursor wrote: He is complimenting Starcraft 2 as a game, and making a point about the player pool. HENCE- the unrealized potential of the game. Yes, and does so negatively. I see the same exact statistics and say that when the best of the best make the switch, starcraft 2 tournaments are going be unfathomably spectacular. It takes a really jaded perspective to see the huge likelihood that sc2 is transformed into gameplay qualities currently unimaginable and decide that's a bad thing. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On May 13 2011 03:44 Kazius wrote: You're not mentioning the fact that BW was heavily patched (up to and until the "nerf boxer" patch). What nerf Boxer patch? Do you mean the patch where they nerfed reavers? Cause that was more of a nerf Zileas patch. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:31 cursor wrote: You guys gotta be trolling. Show me where he says that SC2 isn't an art? Isn't it a compliment to say that Flash and Jaedong would own face at SC2 because there is so much more left to be done, and their immense skills would shine in the game? He didn't say the game is trash or something and that skill doesn't matter. I fail to understand how so many people could completely misinterpret the article. It's that he's saying implies that what we're watching isn't amazing. That what we watch every day, what we play every day, is a game so beautiful and sublime that we come to these forums regularly just to discuss it. He says that the players could be better, and that is true. But that doesn't mean what we're saying isn't art, and he certainly thinks he isn't. The knowledge of that is "cheapened", no matter how hard he tries to enjoy it. He liked TSL3, but he also likes a football game. The point is this isn't a football game. Football is fun, but it lacks a certain... beauty. And Intrique, by making that comparison, implies that SC2 doesn't have that right now(because of lack of true competition.) But I'm saying we already have art before us. On May 13 2011 04:38 I)etox wrote: Too bad everyone can't see past the "bw elitism" and see this point right here. On May 13 2011 04:35 cursor wrote: He is complimenting Starcraft 2 as a game, and making a point about the player pool. HENCE- the unrealized potential of the game. You. Damn. Fools. And no, he's not. Read the opening paragraph. He says this is going to make him unpopular, that there will not be a "optimistic poignant hope" at the end. Does that sound like the opening to a compliment? | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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UBavarice
Sweden358 Posts
What is the POINT of this thread? "The Elephant in the Room". What does that even insinuate? Something like: "Look all you SC2-fanbois, all your favourite players suck and if the "Real pros" switch over they would DESTROY them! muahahaha!" What is the POINT? Do you people, who agree with the OP, want Flash, JD etc. to switch over or do you want SC2 to die or... what tis the actual agenda!? | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5599 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:28 Faveokatro wrote: That's his whole point... that it isn't a guarantee previous RTS experience transfers over. Not that every player from another game will fail. Edit: Also, Chill brings up a good point a few posts above. Do you only watch the Superbowl and Champions League Finals? I doubt you watch every game and think "Well if BARCA was in this game they'd be dominating." Well, Barca is probably the most popular team in the world. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:38 I)etox wrote: Too bad everyone can't see past the "bw elitism" and see this point right here. Just re-read the article, I'd like you to point out the part where he "complimented SC2 as a game". I sure as heck don't see it. All I see is an article bashing every professional SC2 player and calling the pro scene a farce. It's frankly insulting to people that enjoy it, telling them that their game is stupid because their players aren't as good as yours. | ||
Chill
Calgary25988 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:38 Jampackedeon wrote: Aptly put Chill, I think this captures the silliness of this entire blog. I read the whole thing and came to the conclusion of "so what?" I see amazing plays and players, they get paid well enough to do this full time, which in turn means I get to see ever more refined and amazing play. In addition, the world of SC2 is something I see as able to share with an ever larger audience of enthusiasts and not a dwindling group of hard core folks (no offense to them, I love those communities as well) which is my preference at the moment. Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. People not from the BW scene may not appreciate this fact and think it's elitism, but it's pretty objective. When you see a professional play BW, they are so amazingly good that you could never even come close to executing anything they do. And that's the result of YEARS of practice for 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, 350 days a year, more or less. SC2 will get there, and will get there faster. It's just not there yet. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
Well, but the truth is SC2 can not compare to SC:BW in many aspect, but thats not our problem, thats Blizzard's problems. Also, the artilce has some great points, like they way SC2 pro practice now, they really need to improve that if they want to lift the SC2 skill bar higher. As an BW player but only play SC2 now, I can safely save that my love is with SC:BW forever. I may never touch SC:BW again, cos I want something new, but SC2 will never be SC:BW and blaming each others about it is pointless. Difference game, difference start, thats all. | ||
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flanksteak
Canada246 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:38 I)etox wrote: Too bad everyone can't see past the "bw elitism" and see this point right here. No it doesn't. Quote me one thing, literally anything in the article, that compliments sc2 as a game. | ||
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DarkMatter_
Canada1774 Posts
On May 13 2011 03:59 Turing wrote: Really well written article. I think some great points were made, but I feel like it's a bit of an invalid point that because there are people out there that could be better at this game, that the current competition is in any way less intense. If any of them switch over, great, but I'll wait for that to happen before I consider the possibility detrimental to my enjoyment whatsoever. And honestly, the last thing I want is a real bonjwa. SC2 is more exciting without knowing who's going to be in the top four or even top eight of the next GSL. I disagree completely. For me, a complete lack of consistency and predictability in the SC2 proscene is one of its biggest flaws at the moment. When a player wins the GSL and gets demoted to Code A in the very next GSL, it really cheapens the experience for me because the notion of an "upset" loses all meaning. In comparison, Bisu 3-0ing Savior was one of the most historic moments in esports and if SC2 proscene continues being the way it is, do you think we'll ever have something rivaling such moments from BW? | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:44 flanksteak wrote: So basically, top tier BW players haven't switched over from BW to SC2, so we have a lot to look forward to? Sounds like a good thing If he wrote the article with this tone I bet you noone would be complaining. The problem is he's saying all the current players/tournaments/matches are crap and not valid until the top BW players switch which is not only wrong but very insulting. | ||
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Vendor
Canada115 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:42 Chill wrote: Well, I'm just picking at points I don't like. I think the ultimate conclusion of the article is that SC2 competition still has a long way to develop. All the BW pros, competition farce, and lack of viewing enjoyment comes way after that main point. This is true, but due to the writing and the tone established to most people it is completely taken away from when it basically calls the players currently terribad (not exactly obviously, but this is how a lot of people are taking it). | ||
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BushidoSnipr
United States910 Posts
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On May 13 2011 04:38 I)etox wrote: Too bad everyone can't see past the "bw elitism" and see this point right here. He makes a good and true point in the most dickish way possible. | ||
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wideye
United States209 Posts
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