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On October 30 2011 16:35 j3i wrote:
come on guys, there were plenty of mistakes. It's just sad to see how costly they can be.
I agree. And I atually think Mc can easily correct those mistakes if he works hard. The upgrade mistakes was similar to the ones he made when he played thorzain in tsl. And after he fixed that, he usually outplayed thorzain.
In fact, I think Tajae outplayed Mc in today's game.
And Mc outplayed MVP in the first game and almost outplayed MVP in their 2nd game.
I am just wondering why he does not like to get upgrades in pvt, if we all see that is important then mc should understand. There must be sth we do not understand !!
Another thing I do not understand is Creator showed the double forges build which is really good against terran and it should be easy for Mc to do that. But why does he not use that build ? It is just build order difference. Mc is better than creator when it comes to macro, micro and experience.
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On October 30 2011 16:44 Parcelleus wrote:
Mistakes ? Lets be honest . terran got it wayyyy to easy , and Protoss needs to play twice as good (almost). If MC didnt go for his third, which was fine since MC put some good pressure on, then MVP would of got his third and over-ran him.
Come on Blizzard ? Tell us how MC needed to play that ?
They can't and won't, cos they noobs, they admit it, *sigh*
the most radiculous thing that I can not accept is, when terran is under pressure, they can just lift their base and save it and the terran is still in the game.
on the other, for toss, if u under pressure like that and you have to save your army and let yr base go. and from that, it is impossible for toss to get back.
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On October 30 2011 16:57 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 16:35 j3i wrote:
come on guys, there were plenty of mistakes. It's just sad to see how costly they can be. I am just wondering why he does not like to get upgrades in pvt, if we all see that is important then mc should understand. There must be sth we do not understand !! Another thing I do not understand is Creator showed the double forges build which is really good against terran and it should be easy for Mc to do that. But why does he not use that build ? It is just build order difference. Mc is better than creator when it comes to macro, micro and experience
MC actually does use double forge quite a lot, but only AFTER he has got Blink Stalkers out, and while he researches Charge. This is because, if you do it earlier, there is a massive window right before you get 1-1 where you cannot be aggressive and you cannot fend off drops easily. THAT is why MC goes for fast Blink, to fend off drops and gain map control.
Because Creator is so further down the scale, and plays against far worse opponents, his playstyle has not been figured out. Unfortunately, I'm predicting it will. Early double Forge has been used by Tyler/Adelscott before vs Koreans, and the way to beat it is the same as beating fast Colossus - drops in the main/natural and kill everything. And that is far harder to deal with when you only have un-upgraded basic Gateway units with no Blink/Charge.
People (especially casters) act as though going Blink BEFORE double forge and Templars or what have you is a stylistic choice. It isn't. It is a choice he has to make to remain competitive at the highest level of play.
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btw MC
next time if you play against MVP, plz show us a at least a best of 5.
YOU and MVP are really playing brilliant games.
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On October 30 2011 16:35 j3i wrote:
come on guys, there were plenty of mistakes. It's just sad to see how costly they can be.
Too bad MC's mistakes hurt him 10x more than MVP's. Can't handle the attack on your natural? Lift it up back to your base and make an unbreakable concave about your ramp while keeping your income up due to mules. Like someone else mentioned, in that situation protoss is 100% dead. If protoss is down 20 workers on two base, he's 100% dead. Run some random units into a large group of enemies? Whatever, they all don't cost nearly as much as gateway units. Ghosts get caught out way infront of army? They have 100 HP, move pretty fast, and take no additional damage from anything, pull them back it's cool.
Top of the thread says no balance whine but it's completely ridiculous. If MC was terran and MVP was protoss, MVP would have gotten absolutely slaughtered. Thank God EMP is being nerfed so much though, wish that could have gone through before this, and the reduced cost of upgrades may make it possible for adding in blink for defense sooner. EMP is just...think about it in comparison to storm. To unlock it you only have to spend 150/50, get it immediately with your ghost which moves faster than a high templar, and it does up to 20 more damage than storm instantly, and until 1.4.2 has 2 radius compared to storm's 1.5. wat.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
Didn't see the games.
Could anyone do a quick description of them please?
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btw, next time when Mc plays MVP, can he plz have one game on a protoss favored map??
It is really unfair for him. Play 4 games against terrans on three terran favored maps.
where is the fairness?
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On October 30 2011 20:35 double620 wrote:
btw, next time when Mc plays MVP, can he plz have one game on a protoss favored map??
It is really unfair for him. Play 4 games against terrans on three terran favored maps.
where is the fairness?
Err what exactly is a protoss favoured map in PvT? Hell what is a protoss favoured map in general?
Basically the only ones I can think of are Taldarim and Terminus after fix and thats against zerg...
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man, so sad, at least I saw what MC can do. one day, protoss flaws on design are going to get fixed. I believe, and when this happen, no one is going to stop MC!!
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On October 30 2011 20:43 dooraven wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 20:35 double620 wrote:
btw, next time when Mc plays MVP, can he plz have one game on a protoss favored map??
It is really unfair for him. Play 4 games against terrans on three terran favored maps.
where is the fairness? Err what exactly is a protoss favoured map in PvT? Hell what is a protoss favoured map in general? Basically the only ones I can think of are Taldarim and Terminus after fix and thats against zerg...
1. Dual Sight
-2. GSL Antiga Shipyard
3. Daybreak
4. GSL Crossfire SE
5. GSL Bel`Shir Beach
6. Tal'Darim Altar LE*
7. Calm Before the Storm
-New Map
Above are 7 maps going to be used in the upcoming GSL.
In my opinion, Daybreak, Bel`Shir Beach, Tal'Darim Altar LE* and Calm Before the Storm are all good pvt maps. In fact, if u do not consider 1/1/1 (which is impossible) Dual Sight and Crossfire SE are not bad for pvt. We have seen Mc played some amazing pvt on these two maps.
Even on Antiga Shipyard, it is relative save to fast expand as toss in pvt, if you compare it to the maps Mc has to play on today.
I have seen him playing MVP on xelnaga, Antiga and meta and he got 1 win and 2 loss. Image if he does not need to play on those maps, the result should be at least more even than that.
Btw, forgg will need to play sage and supernova have killer in his group which means Mc will have some good pratice partners.
Looking forward to Mc's gsl performance and best luck to him!!
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Why is there a mod note about balance in a fanclub thread?
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Np MC, ur gonna roll them in Code S.
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On October 30 2011 21:35 brachester wrote:
Why is there a mod note about balance in a fanclub thread?
Because of IEM Cologne. Did you see the finals? Yeah... that's why.
The LR also exploded. And tree.hugger wrote a huge article about it here. I think the mods wanted the discussion to be contained there.
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Switzerland2892 Posts
On October 30 2011 21:31 double620 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 20:43 dooraven wrote:On October 30 2011 20:35 double620 wrote:
btw, next time when Mc plays MVP, can he plz have one game on a protoss favored map??
It is really unfair for him. Play 4 games against terrans on three terran favored maps.
where is the fairness? Err what exactly is a protoss favoured map in PvT? Hell what is a protoss favoured map in general? Basically the only ones I can think of are Taldarim and Terminus after fix and thats against zerg... 1. Dual Sight -2. GSL Antiga Shipyard 3. Daybreak 4. GSL Crossfire SE 5. GSL Bel`Shir Beach 6. Tal'Darim Altar LE* 7. Calm Before the Storm
1. old dual sight: PvT: 19-28(40.4%)
2.old antiga: PvT:6-12 (33.3%)
3. yes, PvT:13-8 (61.9%)
4. not really PvT:15-14(51.7%)
5. old bel'shir yes PvT:8-3 (72.7%)
6. didn't find, but regular tal'darim is protoss favored
7. no informations about it yet
dual sight, antiga, bel'shir have been modified so we will see if it gets better.
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Because nobody has said it for a while:
Go MC! This GSL is your time to shine! Protoss is underpowered, but you can rise above the imbalance and take home GSL Trophy Number 3!
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What are you guys watching right now?!
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WCG 2011 which was airing through GOMTV.
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On October 30 2011 23:20 -y0shi- wrote:
Ah, was it free2watch?
No, unfortunately. If you got GSL October pass or one of the GSTLs it was free, but otherwise you had to but a pass.
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On October 30 2011 23:40 SeaSwift wrote:No, unfortunately. If you got GSL October pass or one of the GSTLs it was free, but otherwise you had to but a pass.
?? Nanashin and other prominent streamers streamed this for free. It's on Korean TV
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EPT
