MorroW is considered to be a new player on the scene, only joining the higher levels of the Brood War community in late 2008. Despite this he managed to get some success, amongst other things he managed to finish in 2nd place on the TSL2 ladder. In the qualifiers he faced off against German Zerg Kolll who turned out to be too much for MorroW to handle. To Read About MorroW's Starcraft: Brood War Career, Click Here.
MorroW has several times shown off his understanding of RTS games; in a post[1] on TeamLiquid before a tournament, he claimed to have played only 4 games in the beta. One week later he managed to finish as runner-up in the second Zotac Cup. MorroW also has a deep understanding of the SC2 Galaxy Editor and has published melee maps and held showmatches on them[2]. He also uses his skill in the map editor to design custom maps to practice micro techniques and try various things out. An example of his work can be seen in his investigation into the "Fazing" exploit of the Void Ray during the Beta. MorroW eventually aims to become a professional gamer and make a living out of Starcraft 2.
He is known for playing a economical, pressure based style epitomized by his 5 rax reaper build into expand which he used extensively in the later parts of the IEM tournament. He is very fond of playing an economic game, often playing a fast expand style, and has become renowned for his midgame macro play as a result.
In Beta
In the Starcraft 2 Beta, Morrow was positioned in the Platinum League(Division 8), ranked first with a record of 278-135. during the first phase of beta[4] MorroW had a successful beta, employing an economical style focusing on mech units, most successfully against Zergs. He won several events, including two CraftCups and ZOTAC Cup #15. His successes during the beta were mostly overlooked by the community since his wins came in the weekly tournaments and not the high profile invitationals. His successes during the beta, however, precluded his success in Wings of Liberty retail.
During the Beta, MorroW was very vocal about balance issues and things he saw that could be improved within the game. He co-wrote the article "Filling the Void"[5] which presented a number of things Blizzard could do to improve the game. He also made many posts on TeamLiquid discussing balance issues[6][7]. In particular, MorroW has never shied away from admitting when imbalances were present in any race - including his Terran. MorroW also made significant contributions to the mapping community and brought the issue of Map Protection up for discussion.
Wings of Liberty
MorroW's success from the Beta extended into Retail, starting with a second place at the Inferno Online SC2 Cup 1, losing to SjoW in the finals. Shortly after that, he faced SjoW in the finals of the ESL Viking Cup #6. This time around, MorroW triumphed and asserted his place as one of the best TvT players in Europe. The following week, MorroW won the ESL Viking Cup #7, becoming the first player to win two consecutive Viking cups and becoming the undisputed best player in Sweden. MorroW was able to flex his TvT prowess once again in Zotac 18 where he defeated Lucifron 3-0 in the final.
MorroW won the IEM Season V - Global Challenge Cologne after beating IdrA in the grand final. MorroW received an invite to the tournament as a replacement for BRAT_OK[8]. who, was originally invited to the event but due to a mixup with his visa, could not attend.[9][10] MorroW entered as an unknown to many due to his lack of results in high profile invitationals, but Artosis predicted that MorroW would meet IdrA in the finals of the tournament - Artosis' prediction held true and MorroW upset fan favorites such as TheLittleOne and Dimaga to make the final. MorroW's fast expand style was quickly worked out by his competitors, as could be seen in his 0-2 defeat to Tarson in the Group Stages. In the elimination bracket he abandoned his fast expand build in favor of a pressure/economy style - which proved to be very effective. There was some background drama between MorroW and Idra before the final, Idra called MorroW out in a SC2 Beta Interview as a player who isn't "supposed to be able to beat players like Dimaga, because he's just ten times more skilled.".
Information taken from Morrow`s liquipedia page Morrow
On December 19 2010 10:47 MorroW wrote: the reason we see so many upsets and such a low win precentage of the top players is because its such a new game so daily new builds and timings come which just throws them offguard forcing them to learn new things
also that the game is new so its not balanced and top players could lose to underdogs for that reason aswell
in sc2 the key part is to have good scouting and see everything thats coming and be ready for everything, most street fighting games u can see everything the opponent is doing so that part is completely different
but ye you cant expect gods like flash or the street fighter top players to exist in sc2 just yet because players need at least another year to figure out more about the game so they can win and play solid
the reason many players talk about "he doesnt deserve a win" etc could be because they are abusing something thats broken in the game or just relying on luck like i also mentioned about the lack of scouting possibilities
im not taking any credits away from anyone who wins alot in sc2. if you get to finals of gsl you clearly know the state of the game and at the moment you know how to play it
i think the reason older starcraft 1 talk so much about who is real players and who are just abusive ppl who dont deserve wins is that they come from sc1 where the game was pretty much figured out so so much came down to detail scouting macro micro mechanics just overall playing beautifully perfect and calculated. when they see players come to top 4 without having an astonishing macro or wellprepered gameplan or perfected gamestructure they cant really approve too much of it since that was a sign of weak and cheesy players in sc1
if you figure out a way "abuse" ur way to top4 in gsl i say cheers to this man is brilliant because its not easy to find broken or imbalanced things to abuse in the game. to do so u need to have prepared and practiced insanely much to figure out the "flaws" in the game that u can use to ur advantage.
now im not talking that any players did this or so im just saying this is the general idea sc1 players think of ppl who dont shine on the qualities which were most important in sc1
id just overall say that its alot more so luck than imbalanced at the state of the game we have now. the maps just scream coinflip because some positions favor some race heavily vise versa could even be on same map...
so yea, short rushdistances with lack of scouting possibilties and a huge variety of opening build orders. its pretty obvious your gonna end up with a dice fest imho
when we get more welldesigned maps that are properly designed for macro games i promise u we will see less of the "wrong player won". majority of the times i do think its pretty stupid to say something like that in general tho
On December 19 2010 09:07 zyzski wrote: the small maps make BO losses way too common
big maps make warp gates too powerful
he says the issue is luck
you say if you reduce the luck the actual balance of the game will be more apperent, well whats wrong with that. reduce the luck and lets see if warpgates was imba and then we can work on the balance. i really dont see how blizzard can even begin to try to balance some things when we see so many coinflip situations in starcraft 2. while when they get crosspos on metalopolis is where they actually can draw conclusions from.
a game thats based on scouting needs possibilities to scout whats necessarily and enough time gap to make it possible to adapt and respond accordingly. most of times in sc2 you cant scout something and once u can its too late anyways, i dont see how they think when they have so small maps :/
On April 29 2011 16:00 truthless wrote: I like Morrow's input, it's very informative, but he does take some things for granted because "they've always been that way". Just because a 3gate sentry expand has been supersafe for X months doesn't mean there isn't a way to beat it. I felt like Losira hit his timings just right, and he did it twice with literally exactly the same timings, so I don't think it was "just lucky" as someone else pointed out.
there are differnt types of 3warpgate expansions. 1 3warpgate expand is alot different from another. so much depends on how greedy they are with it. but the original 3warpgate expand with forge in natural and cannon behind it is as safe as its gets
protosses has been using the medigame to their advantage by saying, hey zerg never allins me so i can go and fake push every single game, i can delay my forge 10 seconds, or i can delay my next wave of stalkers just to get my stargate quicker. these little timings is called cutting corners to get ahead unless zerg actually allins on you. and this is exactly how alicia played it, but not only that, he macroed poorly and executed even worse
and losiras build is using the "new" medigame if i can call it that where he says, ok protosses (and alicia) cuts corners these days cause we havent been allining them alot. so im just gonna make this timing attack that only in theory works if they are cutting corners and/or executes badly
this series i saw both take risks both games, by playing mindgames instead of playing it safe. thats why im telling you guys that this thread shouldnt be called "future of pvz" or so. you should just be impressed by losiras play the way he predicted the toss to cut corners (i dont think he predicted alicia to execute poorly so it worked alot better than he thought i think) and you should rethink alicia as a player if you think hes this solid and great protoss user really...
this build losira did has clear weaknesses and i dont blame him for it and thats the only point i wanted to make
heres a tip for most of u who watched zvp. when u see toss 3warpgate expo and follow up with a stargate and rallys his first voidray to zergs 3rd base instead of moving it in the direct path to the zerg (so you can catch possible roach attacks) it just means hes playing risky. also another thing to point out if toss 3warpgate expands and puts his forge in his main hes being alittle risky, but more so he puts it there so zerg cant scout it, which gives zerg the impression of a possible cancel nexus into 4-5gates, which the "counter" to that is exactly what losira did, mass units like crazy. basically alicia encouraged him both games to mass units and then he wasnt ready or couldnt even figure out himself that it was coming, twice... alicia didnt "force" zerg to mass units to this extend but he invited him to do it, without even knowing he was. losira was just a much better player than alicia in every way this series. and i think these games had really much to do with them as players rather than the matchup itself
On April 20 2011 18:23 MorroW wrote: theory zvp i think its a combination with 2 things
reason 1 protoss has figured out the early game more, how to expand safely and getting a greater economy than zerg. (forge expand gets more economy than a pool expand or gas pool expand, at the same time it can punish a hatchery first with cannon rush). so then zergs option to catch up is to take a extremely fast 3rd base but this has been prooven many times to die to 6warpgate +1 timing attacks or the simple voidray +streamline of phoenixes.
the 3warpgate expand has its own beauty on smaller maps but also maps without as wide chokes. the units themselves are sentrys which not only defends any allin zerg does, also they build up energy to be great in mid and late game. on top of this creating these units themselves forces zerg to build defenses. and not a too uncommon strategy is to cancel the nexus and go for an allin, which zerg has no possibility to scout in time to prepare, so zergs only option is to overmake defenses every time he see 3warpgate expand.
so to sum it up the only way you dont fall behind vs a 3warpgate expand on rather small maps is too take huge risks and hope he dont cancel the nexus and did a 4/5gate fake nexus strategy.
and on big maps they can comfortably forge expand without any risk what so ever of cheese if they scout well and always get a unfair lead.
reason 2 protoss used to be this timing attack race off of 2 or 3 bases but recently they have figured out all they have to do is max out on 200 food and only turtle because no matter how many bases zerg has he still cant get a huge economic lead because u cant literally produce over 80 drones. zerg became the timing attack player instead, using his "economic lead" on 3-4 bases and trying to break down the protoss before his army gets too big, or simply damage it alot and rebuild and go for it again, while expanding. but this is extremely hard when protoss gets an easy 3rd base (tal darim, terminus etc). zerg is the race that wants to army trade on an even field so protoss has simply realized that there is never a reason to attack unless zerg gets too overgreedy. (and ofcourse toss has even the option to respond with another expansion aswell so again protoss attacking is always a threat to zerg but its never a must for protoss).
and once protoss gets 3 bases up and running for 1-2 minutes the zerg overpower style (attack, rebuild, attack, streamline) doesnt work anymore because protoss can rebuild at an almost equal rate. plus the larger protoss army it gets the less units they lose in fights)
so when it comes to 200 food deathballs. protoss should in theory always win, everyone knows that. so zerg is the race that wants to battle kill the majority of protosses army and then rebuild (using his bigger saved up money to his advantage).
now ive written down the way zvp should be, disregarding how hard it is for each race to execute their play so here comes the skill requiring part so not only is protoss the stronger race right now in theory. it is also easier to play the race which is widely known for anyone thats high level to know. to be the aggressor throughout the game and find ways to break the protoss is alot harder for zerg than for protoss to just figure out how to defend. also mechanically speaking the race is vastly harder aswell. and when it comes to mistakes you can make it your macro (money growing up, forgetting injects or chronoboost zerg is alot more unforgiving). if i play vs midlevel protoss users who only play the turtle style i cant even tell a difference from our best protosses in europe, except for maybe the microcontrol. whenever you see zvp on TSL or NASL or GSL, people are always judging the zerg what he is doing wrong, what he should be doing you can note if he forgets to spread creep or when his money gets high you call thats why he lose. protosses is like 80% of the case the one thats executing more badly than the zerg but nobody is mentioning that because its harder to see and it doesnt matter because the toss end up cleaning up anyway. i know i come off as extremely biased because i havent been doing too well in tournaments lately vs protosses but keep in mind. i dont ladder, all my zvp practice comes from literally only playing progamer protosses and talking to them about the game and how this matchup works (mainly with naniwa). i wouldnt come here and say toss is alot easier to play than zerg if they wouldnt tell me the same. im not a toss progamer but they say themselves zerg has to be vastly superior to compete on the same level. i have alot to improve on in zvp but i dont see myself worse than any other zerg in this matchup and i hope you can trust my word for that. ive been practicing this matchup almost exlusivly the past weeks and still my winratio in zvt is about 20% higher than in zvp. ive practiced mutalisk play, ive tried multipromt attacks and nyduses. and high infestor play. but the overpower style is the absolute best way (and most solid imo) to play this matchup
I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
Slightly more mediocre Terran? I'm sorry, but he came in 1st at IEM, with an innovative build that almost nobody could pull off because of the mechanics it required. Morrow is an amazing player, I don't see why you're putting him down, his Zerg play wasn't on-par as much as his Terran play was, but let's remember he switched races, and even with a lot of practice, stepping up into DreamHack is no small venture, I think he did stellar for the situation he was in.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
Glad I'm not the only one with this identical opinion.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
He is a 2.8k Zerg, what is your rating?
He was the most successful SC2 player with the most tourney wins when he still played Terran full time, it's a bit more than "slightly more than mediocre" He made it out of a group with Naniwa and Sjow who are two of europe's strongest players. So that's already not so bad considering his switch wasnt that long ago. I didnt watch the games vs Mana but I'm sure he already is a much better player than you ever will be. Also Mana showed this tourney that he is sick good, so no shame in losing to him.
I really wish he stuck to T. The TL community got inside his head and kept sayign that he was only winning because of his race, so he switched. He denies it but we know it's true. Please switch back to the race you were best with MorroW !
On November 28 2010 21:06 Flaunt wrote: I really wish he stuck to T. The TL community got inside his head and kept sayign that he was only winning because of his race, so he switched. He denies it but we know it's true. Please switch back to the race you were best with MorroW !
That is not the main reason he switched. He said Terran (or just sc2) was easy, and he lost the spark to play more sc2, like he reached the cap of sc2 very fast. When he switched, he got his joyment back, planning strategies on his way home from school. Zerg is also a hard race to play and figure out.
I am simply amazed at how good this player is with zerg.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
User was warned for this post
I'm so tired of this shit. MorroW was probably the BEST foreign Terran player in the world before he switched to Zerg. Sure, he defeated IdrA in the IEM finals with a cheese build, but that was not all he ever did. He won several tournaments before and after that. Players like HuK, TLO, SelecT etc didn't stand a chance against him when he played at his full potential. He was a top notch macro oriented TvT player, and reapers are useless against Terran, so keep your mouth shut if you think reaper harass is all he's good at.
Ever since he switched to Zerg people have been totally obnoxious to him, and the people on SotG joke about him. What the fuck? Give the guy a break. He's a nice guy and doesn't deserve this. I can't wait for the day his skills as a Zerg player matches those he had as a Terran, and he starts to kick ass again. You will all eat your own words then.
how is 5 rax reaper cheese? lol. if any of you had tried 5 rax reaper against a good zerg you would get your ass handed to you so hard. it requires high apm and perfect micro. its really really hard to pull off the way morrow did it. you guys have no respect at all for skill
On December 10 2010 15:53 Dubz wrote: how is 5 rax reaper cheese? lol. if any of you had tried 5 rax reaper against a good zerg you would get your ass handed to you so hard. it requires high apm and perfect micro. its really really hard to pull off the way morrow did it. you guys have no respect at all for skill
QFT. IdrA just got butthurt because he lost, and started a hate campaign against MorroW. MorroW admitted the 5 rax reaper build needed to be nerfed, and that should be enough. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
On December 10 2010 15:59 Yusername wrote: QFT. IdrA just got butthurt because he lost, and started a hate campaign against MorroW. MorroW admitted the 5 rax reaper build needed to be nerfed, and that should be enough. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Like you said, MorroW himself stated it was an overpowered build, which basically leads everyone to believe he wasn't at the same level as IdrA. That, compounded with the fact that Blizzard themselves nerfed that build horribly, make it seem like MorroW was simply just using imbalance to win.
His switching to zerg (and playing it far worse than other pro zergs) hasn't helped his position at all.
On December 10 2010 15:59 Yusername wrote: QFT. IdrA just got butthurt because he lost, and started a hate campaign against MorroW. MorroW admitted the 5 rax reaper build needed to be nerfed, and that should be enough. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Like you said, MorroW himself stated it was an overpowered build, which basically leads everyone to believe he wasn't at the same level as IdrA. That, compounded with the fact that Blizzard themselves nerfed that build horribly, make it seem like MorroW was simply just using imbalance to win.
His switching to zerg (and playing it far worse than other pro zergs) hasn't helped his position at all.
What about all the other top players he beat without the reaper build? Have you even seen MorroW's Terran play vs other races than Zerg?
Morrow vs Huk was so good. I remember Huk went on a macro late game play vs Morrow on the first game on LT, and demolished Morrow. Then as usual, Morrow thought, I can do that, and outmacroed Huk the next games so hard it made Huk look really bad. Was so impressive by Morrow.
I simply love the fact that Morrow often lost his first game or two, then had such a nice comeback. He gave me nerdchills, and I still think he can pull this off with zerg with enough practise. He is a very smart and dedicated guy.
On December 10 2010 15:59 Yusername wrote: QFT. IdrA just got butthurt because he lost, and started a hate campaign against MorroW. MorroW admitted the 5 rax reaper build needed to be nerfed, and that should be enough. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Like you said, MorroW himself stated it was an overpowered build, which basically leads everyone to believe he wasn't at the same level as IdrA. That, compounded with the fact that Blizzard themselves nerfed that build horribly, make it seem like MorroW was simply just using imbalance to win.
His switching to zerg (and playing it far worse than other pro zergs) hasn't helped his position at all.
You should not come to fan threads and talk shit about the player. Morrow is a dedicated amazing gamer who only swapped a few months ago.. Give the guy some respect in this thread as its dedicated to him not people like you.
On December 10 2010 15:53 Dubz wrote: how is 5 rax reaper cheese? lol. if any of you had tried 5 rax reaper against a good zerg you would get your ass handed to you so hard. it requires high apm and perfect micro. its really really hard to pull off the way morrow did it. you guys have no respect at all for skill
QFT. IdrA just got butthurt because he lost, and started a hate campaign against MorroW. MorroW admitted the 5 rax reaper build needed to be nerfed, and that should be enough. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
No, Idra's had the hate campaign against him since BW. He always talked shit sbout Morrow. I like Morrow's play, his Zerg play has been only above average so far, but I think with enough practice he could become one of the best.
Just as Morrow left, the new terran power rose: SjoW! So I don't think the Terran race needs Morrow back
I think Zerg fits Morrow a lot better than Terran did. He still has to figure out the details of the race though, because he tends to overdrone quite often. Sometimes he has ~100 drones lategame.
Good luck in the future patchzerg ;D (Sjows Stream is hilarious when he's playing Morrow)
Ppl should remeber that MorroW is still in school afaik, so hes not a full time pro by any means. Which just makes it that much more embarassing to lose agaisnt him. Would be amazing if MorroW beat Idra at his own race then Zenio slaped him IRL
On December 12 2010 19:33 Plexa wrote: I don't know why people want Morrow to come back playing Terran because his Zerg is getting more and more scary every day
Yeah that's so true. His training is slowly showing off and i bet he'll be up top in near future tournaments.
Arpe: He is mostly playing, just finishing some courses that he actually can pass I think, at least he said so in a post Dreamhack interview. I believe he is playing at a internetcafé 9 hours a day or something
Morrow doesnt get the respect he deserves. Probably a lot because of the fact that idra is his nr 1 hater. Idra generally seems to have a really bad perspective on skill level of EU.
On December 12 2010 19:33 Plexa wrote: I don't know why people want Morrow to come back playing Terran because his Zerg is getting more and more scary every day
The game vs Strelok on Metapolis last night in the Teamspeak open.
Hey I am not so much of a morrow fan but can anyone tell me why is it so modern for people to hate him, and say he is a noob? He was top terran in eu, and now that he switched he is quickly becoming a good zerg. He seems to be reaching many of the weekly tournament finals these days as zerg.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
User was warned for this post
Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Switching race isn't easy, you just can't expect someone to get to the same level he used to be at in just 1-2 months. This is basically an investment by Morrow, if you feel like you have bigger potential with another race why not switch? Ofc you do bad for awhile but as we've seen now he is starting to improve rapidly and who knows how far he will get.
Despite he used reapers against idra at IEM, he is still a macro player and always has been. Therefor since zerg is a macro heavy race its a pretty logical decision.
[B] Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Idra did that? Source plz
I can just remember Idra writing something like "If Morrow wins a tournament with Zerg..."
Actually i recall somewhere on teamliquid idra saying some smartass comments about morrow when he swapped, and for the record Morrow has already achived legend status with zerg, he RAPED strelok 2-0 **(HE ALSO 12 DRONE RUSHED Him.. thats 12 drones 1 overlord 0 spawningpool and won) So give the boy some of the respect he deserves
[B] Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Idra did that? Source plz
I can just remember Idra writing something like "If Morrow wins a tournament with Zerg..."
Actually i recall somewhere on teamliquid idra saying some smartass comments about morrow when he swapped, and for the record Morrow has already achived legend status with zerg, he RAPED strelok 2-0 **(HE ALSO 12 DRONE RUSHED Him.. thats 12 drones 1 overlord 0 spawningpool and won) So give the boy some of the respect he deserves
I actually happen to think that the drone-rush has genius. He didnt build any overlords. Instead he did a double extractor-trick to pump out 12 drones.. So when he engaged.. it was 12 drones vs 12 scvs.. and in that case.. it's a fairly even match. But strelok was so paniced.. so it turned out to be a win for morrow. Great creative use of the short rush distance at steppes of war.
Besides that episode im not a big fan of morrow. But i really dont know why people hate him either (even in his fanclub-thread).
I guess it is because he won against idra... then it must be because morrow is a freaking cheeser-noob. Because everybody who wins against idra, dosnt know the right way to play starcraft. /sarcasm
edit: sorry for the nontopic.. but i gotta say..I guess im a becoming a morrow-fan after the 12drone-rush :D
On December 13 2010 00:38 vOdToasT wrote: Idra raped Strelok too, and when Terran was actually OP vs Zerg. I still have more respect for IdrA. Way more.
Thats perfectly fine, but why don't you keep it in the IdrA fan thread?
I remember back in the days, when MorroW still was in [MB]. I didn't like him back then. He had too big dreams, and I said to him: "you will never achieve this, its all in your head."
Today, I admit that I was wrong. You've showed us that with great dedication there is no bounds.
I salute your endeavours MorroW. And I don't doubt that you will be the greatest Zerg on the planet.
Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Idra did that? Source plz
I can just remember Idra writing something like "If Morrow wins a tournament with Zerg..."
Actually i recall somewhere on teamliquid idra saying some smartass comments about morrow when he swapped, and for the record Morrow has already achived legend status with zerg, he RAPED strelok 2-0 **(HE ALSO 12 DRONE RUSHED Him.. thats 12 drones 1 overlord 0 spawningpool and won) So give the boy some of the respect he deserves
There are these quotes, I`m saving them for that special occasion.
On September 14 2010 08:15 Raiznhell wrote: this clearly shows that MorroW is OP not terran
ah thank you, im happy i could find at least 1 comment like this on 14 pages its annoying me so much that everyone talk so much about imbalance
we have no zerg players in general. who used to win as zerg when zerg was OP? like dimaga, who else ? haypro and zpux? i cant even name any other zergs that were on top of their game... we simply have few zergs participating in each tour and i think thats a bigger factor than the actual imbalance
i almost wanna switch to zerg just to show it is possible, its not a coincidence dimaga is by far best zerg atm, he simply has alot more skills than the other zergs. i pity these lower level players that blame their losses on imbalance when dimaga still manages to win. we have 30 terrans who can fight nicely on the top in tvt but who can compete in zvz? the skill gap is huge there and so few players...
youd be gold league if you played zerg not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke.
On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote: lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again
I think Morrow was the best player at IEM and won because of that. He defeated Huk, TLO, Dimaga and Idra and Idra almost lost to Sarens (who didn't use that reaper strategy) in a BO5 and Morrow was definitely better than Sarens.
Morrow definitely proved that he is a phenomenal zerg player. His games against Strelok were amazing, and he also destroyed WhiteRa on Jungle Basin. It is scary how quickly he improves.
On December 13 2010 01:26 vdale wrote: I think Morrow was the best player at IEM and won because of that. He defeated Huk, TLO, Dimaga and Idra and Idra almost lost to Sarens (who didn't use that reaper strategy) in a BO5 and Morrow was definitely better than Sarens.
Well i'd love to back you up but at this point in time terran had so many stratergys that zerg hadn't developed a way to stop them, idra played far better then sarens, where is sarens right now? exactly off the map practically ..
Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Idra did that? Source plz
I can just remember Idra writing something like "If Morrow wins a tournament with Zerg..."
Actually i recall somewhere on teamliquid idra saying some smartass comments about morrow when he swapped, and for the record Morrow has already achived legend status with zerg, he RAPED strelok 2-0 **(HE ALSO 12 DRONE RUSHED Him.. thats 12 drones 1 overlord 0 spawningpool and won) So give the boy some of the respect he deserves
There are these quotes, I`m saving them for that special occasion.
On September 14 2010 08:15 Raiznhell wrote: this clearly shows that MorroW is OP not terran
ah thank you, im happy i could find at least 1 comment like this on 14 pages its annoying me so much that everyone talk so much about imbalance
we have no zerg players in general. who used to win as zerg when zerg was OP? like dimaga, who else ? haypro and zpux? i cant even name any other zergs that were on top of their game... we simply have few zergs participating in each tour and i think thats a bigger factor than the actual imbalance
i almost wanna switch to zerg just to show it is possible, its not a coincidence dimaga is by far best zerg atm, he simply has alot more skills than the other zergs. i pity these lower level players that blame their losses on imbalance when dimaga still manages to win. we have 30 terrans who can fight nicely on the top in tvt but who can compete in zvz? the skill gap is huge there and so few players...
youd be gold league if you played zerg not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke.
On December 13 2010 01:23 Jakalo wrote: That drone rush was epic, I cant believe he actually did that in a prized tournaments semifinals :p
On December 13 2010 00:01 BritishBeef wrote:
On December 12 2010 23:07 doerit wrote:
Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Idra did that? Source plz
I can just remember Idra writing something like "If Morrow wins a tournament with Zerg..."
Actually i recall somewhere on teamliquid idra saying some smartass comments about morrow when he swapped, and for the record Morrow has already achived legend status with zerg, he RAPED strelok 2-0 **(HE ALSO 12 DRONE RUSHED Him.. thats 12 drones 1 overlord 0 spawningpool and won) So give the boy some of the respect he deserves
There are these quotes, I`m saving them for that special occasion.
On September 14 2010 16:41 IdrA wrote:
On September 14 2010 10:22 MorroW wrote:
On September 14 2010 08:15 Raiznhell wrote: this clearly shows that MorroW is OP not terran
ah thank you, im happy i could find at least 1 comment like this on 14 pages its annoying me so much that everyone talk so much about imbalance
we have no zerg players in general. who used to win as zerg when zerg was OP? like dimaga, who else ? haypro and zpux? i cant even name any other zergs that were on top of their game... we simply have few zergs participating in each tour and i think thats a bigger factor than the actual imbalance
i almost wanna switch to zerg just to show it is possible, its not a coincidence dimaga is by far best zerg atm, he simply has alot more skills than the other zergs. i pity these lower level players that blame their losses on imbalance when dimaga still manages to win. we have 30 terrans who can fight nicely on the top in tvt but who can compete in zvz? the skill gap is huge there and so few players...
youd be gold league if you played zerg not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke.
On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote: lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again
morrow has won the HomerJ christmas Cup qualifier #3 which offered senheiser headphones as a prize
I think IdrA meant a significant prized tournament. No offense, HomerJ.
On December 13 2010 01:23 Jakalo wrote: That drone rush was epic, I cant believe he actually did that in a prized tournaments semifinals :p
On December 13 2010 00:01 BritishBeef wrote:
On December 12 2010 23:07 doerit wrote:
Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Idra did that? Source plz
I can just remember Idra writing something like "If Morrow wins a tournament with Zerg..."
Actually i recall somewhere on teamliquid idra saying some smartass comments about morrow when he swapped, and for the record Morrow has already achived legend status with zerg, he RAPED strelok 2-0 **(HE ALSO 12 DRONE RUSHED Him.. thats 12 drones 1 overlord 0 spawningpool and won) So give the boy some of the respect he deserves
There are these quotes, I`m saving them for that special occasion.
On September 14 2010 16:41 IdrA wrote:
On September 14 2010 10:22 MorroW wrote:
On September 14 2010 08:15 Raiznhell wrote: this clearly shows that MorroW is OP not terran
ah thank you, im happy i could find at least 1 comment like this on 14 pages its annoying me so much that everyone talk so much about imbalance
we have no zerg players in general. who used to win as zerg when zerg was OP? like dimaga, who else ? haypro and zpux? i cant even name any other zergs that were on top of their game... we simply have few zergs participating in each tour and i think thats a bigger factor than the actual imbalance
i almost wanna switch to zerg just to show it is possible, its not a coincidence dimaga is by far best zerg atm, he simply has alot more skills than the other zergs. i pity these lower level players that blame their losses on imbalance when dimaga still manages to win. we have 30 terrans who can fight nicely on the top in tvt but who can compete in zvz? the skill gap is huge there and so few players...
youd be gold league if you played zerg not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke.
On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote: lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again
morrow has won the HomerJ christmas Cup qualifier #3 which offered senheiser headphones as a prize
I think IdrA meant a significant prized tournament. No offense, HomerJ.
Its not about what IdrA thinks =] but really I doubt it will take Morrow long to win a tournament with money prize so... GOGOGO MorroW
Morrow can win something in time. He has the right mindset it seemes.. but he needs to stop sending 5 and 5 banes to save a hatch he can sacrifice against Tarson on Jungle Basin^^
Totally sign me up. Morrow's replay pack after TSL2 helped me so much with my TvZ. He was just really solid somehow without macroing very well at all. Kinda like SC2 Madfrog I guess.
Then he continued to be a boss in SC2. Who the hell goes all-in drone in a prized tournament against Strelok?
On December 13 2010 01:23 Jakalo wrote: That drone rush was epic, I cant believe he actually did that in a prized tournaments semifinals :p
On December 13 2010 00:01 BritishBeef wrote:
On December 12 2010 23:07 doerit wrote:
Thats just what i thought, and Idra predicted that to come if he played Zerg. Until now, he seems to be right.
Idra did that? Source plz
I can just remember Idra writing something like "If Morrow wins a tournament with Zerg..."
Actually i recall somewhere on teamliquid idra saying some smartass comments about morrow when he swapped, and for the record Morrow has already achived legend status with zerg, he RAPED strelok 2-0 **(HE ALSO 12 DRONE RUSHED Him.. thats 12 drones 1 overlord 0 spawningpool and won) So give the boy some of the respect he deserves
There are these quotes, I`m saving them for that special occasion.
On September 14 2010 16:41 IdrA wrote:
On September 14 2010 10:22 MorroW wrote:
On September 14 2010 08:15 Raiznhell wrote: this clearly shows that MorroW is OP not terran
ah thank you, im happy i could find at least 1 comment like this on 14 pages its annoying me so much that everyone talk so much about imbalance
we have no zerg players in general. who used to win as zerg when zerg was OP? like dimaga, who else ? haypro and zpux? i cant even name any other zergs that were on top of their game... we simply have few zergs participating in each tour and i think thats a bigger factor than the actual imbalance
i almost wanna switch to zerg just to show it is possible, its not a coincidence dimaga is by far best zerg atm, he simply has alot more skills than the other zergs. i pity these lower level players that blame their losses on imbalance when dimaga still manages to win. we have 30 terrans who can fight nicely on the top in tvt but who can compete in zvz? the skill gap is huge there and so few players...
youd be gold league if you played zerg not just as a switch, if youd been playing zerg since the beginning youd still be gold right now if you honestly think that you and 90% of the other terrans who are currently doing well deserve to win tournaments you're a joke.
On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote: lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again
morrow has won the HomerJ christmas Cup qualifier #3 which offered senheiser headphones as a prize
I think IdrA meant a significant prized tournament. No offense, HomerJ.
that would be my first inclination too but if you read carefully he's talking about morrow being in gold. And you can't jump from being in gold to winning gsl. Any prized tournament has to do.
OP updated with members list, I signed in all who exoressed positive opinion towards Morrow in this thread (This is Fanclub thread after all, if I have included you against your will then please PM me Ill edit you out) not only ones who wrote sign me up as I assume most forgot as there was no members list at the start. From now on formal ''sign me in'' of sorts is required.
By the way, I'd like to sign up. Loved Morrow's play as T, loving it as Z as well even though it's still got ways to go. The general feel of his Zerg is great, and I love how he's always centered around amazing Overlord and creep spread. With a bit more experience, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with.
Not to mention his amazing rush against Strelok, #1 play this year in my opinion. In semifinals, none the less.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
User was warned for this post
Are you aware of the fact that he beat Mana 3-0 last time they faced in a tournament finals a couple of days ago?
On December 10 2010 15:59 Yusername wrote: QFT. IdrA just got butthurt because he lost, and started a hate campaign against MorroW. MorroW admitted the 5 rax reaper build needed to be nerfed, and that should be enough. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Like you said, MorroW himself stated it was an overpowered build, which basically leads everyone to believe he wasn't at the same level as IdrA. That, compounded with the fact that Blizzard themselves nerfed that build horribly, make it seem like MorroW was simply just using imbalance to win.
His switching to zerg (and playing it far worse than other pro zergs) hasn't helped his position at all.
User was warned for this post
Around the same time that he switched to Zerg he also went back to school for his final year of high school. No one can continue performing on the same level when they first switch race, then go from spending all day focusing on Starcraft to all day focusing on studies.
Sign me up. My only condition was he got a haircut (last saw him in IEM)and those iPhone photos have given that knowledge. Anyone who goes through a race switch , subsequent huge loss streak and sticks it through has definitely got the right attitude.
Beyond his starcraft play morrow actually seems like a nice guy. He's chatty, he can be found in the cups IRC channels talking strategies and what not. It's hard not to like the guy. Idra on the other hand is what he is. And I don't think he really cares all too much what people think. And of course he shouldn't feel as if he has too.
But in terms of who deserves a fanclub and who does not, we have the following to compare:
- A guy who, when he's literally at the top of the foreign scene decides to switch race because it'll be more fun; comes back a month later and plays on par with other top foreign players and throws in a drone rush on steppes of war ZvT versus a pretty damn good terran in the semifinal of a big online weekly tour.
- A guy who spends most of his time complaining about perceived imbalances that affect his chances of winning negatively while almost never commenting on perceived imbalances that affects him positively; all the while being knocked out of GSL prematurely to the expectations hyped up by himself.
Don't want to add more to the list because it's unnecessary. But I really don't get the people stepping into this thread and posting comments on how they respect Idra more or whatever. Well good for you! Nobody cares, now leave the thread !
On December 14 2010 01:31 ParasitJonte wrote: - A guy who, when he's literally at the top of the foreign scene decides to switch race because it'll be more fun; comes back a month later and plays on par with other top foreign players !
On December 14 2010 01:31 ParasitJonte wrote: - A guy who spends most of his time complaining about perceived imbalances that affect his chances of winning negatively while almost never commenting on perceived imbalances that affects him positively; all the while being knocked out of GSL prematurely to the expectations hyped up by himself.
Don't want to add more to the list because it's unnecessary.
On December 14 2010 01:31 ParasitJonte wrote: - A guy who, when he's literally at the top of the foreign scene decides to switch race because it'll be more fun; comes back a month later and plays on par with other top foreign players !
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Which part of what he said are you disagreeing with? He was definitely among the best foreigners as terran and I can't see how you could say he's not comparable to other top foreigners now. He 2-0'd Strelok, Sjow has said that Morrow's zerg is some of the scariest to him, etc...
But to be fair I'm not sure how his other match ups are.
On December 14 2010 01:31 ParasitJonte wrote: - A guy who, when he's literally at the top of the foreign scene decides to switch race because it'll be more fun; comes back a month later and plays on par with other top foreign players !
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Which part of what he said are you disagreeing with? He was definitely among the best foreigners as terran and I can't see how you could say he's not comparable to other top foreigners now. He 2-0'd Strelok, Sjow has said that Morrow's zerg is some of the scariest to him, etc...
But to be fair I'm not sure how his other match ups are.
I would say that he was certainly among the best foreign terrans in the TvZ matchup, though it's difficult to say how much of that was because of the reaper imbalance (and yes, I am aware that the reaper micro took skill that he was very much able to pull off - but we can't say that he would definitely be as good of a TvZ player after the nerf. He could probably 2rax allin just as well, but again, does that make a good player overall?).
Accordingly, it also makes sense that he would then be good at ZvT when he switched, and I don't deny that it does look good. However, every other matchup I've seen him play since switching to zerg has seemed quite lackluster compared to that of other pro zergs.
So, I agree that Morrow was good at TvZ and now ZvT, but from watching him stream and play in dreamhack, etc. I think that his other matchups are still pretty poor compared to most foreign pro zergs. In my opinion, that makes him more of a sniper, so to speak, than a "best player" overall.
I take back every bad thing I said about MorroW. He made me eat my words lol. His ZvZ against MaDFroG was amazing, his play against mana when he won 3 0 was too. He has the potential to easily be a top Zerg play. GOGO MORROW FIGHTIGN :D!
On December 14 2010 01:31 ParasitJonte wrote: - A guy who, when he's literally at the top of the foreign scene decides to switch race because it'll be more fun; comes back a month later and plays on par with other top foreign players !
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Which part of what he said are you disagreeing with? He was definitely among the best foreigners as terran and I can't see how you could say he's not comparable to other top foreigners now. He 2-0'd Strelok, Sjow has said that Morrow's zerg is some of the scariest to him, etc...
But to be fair I'm not sure how his other match ups are.
I would say that he was certainly among the best foreign terrans in the TvZ matchup, though it's difficult to say how much of that was because of the reaper imbalance (and yes, I am aware that the reaper micro took skill that he was very much able to pull off - but we can't say that he would definitely be as good of a TvZ player after the nerf. He could probably 2rax allin just as well, but again, does that make a good player overall?).
Accordingly, it also makes sense that he would then be good at ZvT when he switched, and I don't deny that it does look good. However, every other matchup I've seen him play since switching to zerg has seemed quite lackluster compared to that of other pro zergs.
So, I agree that Morrow was good at TvZ and now ZvT, but from watching him stream and play in dreamhack, etc. I think that his other matchups are still pretty poor compared to most foreign pro zergs. In my opinion, that makes him more of a sniper, so to speak, than a "best player" overall.
Yeah I guess I'm not really in a position to argue since I've seen his ZvT almost exclusively. But I will still disagree that only his TvZ was good. His other terran matchups were fine as well, though I'd certainly admit his TvZ was his best. I would think of Morrow kinda like Light from BW.
Edit:
On December 14 2010 04:35 Jakalo wrote: Guys you have already been warned about this, Fanclub thread remember?
On December 14 2010 04:28 Thermia wrote:I would say that he was certainly among the best foreign terrans in the TvZ matchup, though it's difficult to say how much of that was because of the reaper imbalance (and yes, I am aware that the reaper micro took skill that he was very much able to pull off - but we can't say that he would definitely be as good of a TvZ player after the nerf. He could probably 2rax allin just as well, but again, does that make a good player overall?).
Reaper imbalance? That was one series. People need to look past that series at all of his other accomplishments. People think all he did was reaper play based off of one series of games (when in fact he beat Idra in straight up macro despite the reaper harass in that series as well) should look at many of his other games.
On December 14 2010 01:31 ParasitJonte wrote: - A guy who, when he's literally at the top of the foreign scene decides to switch race because it'll be more fun; comes back a month later and plays on par with other top foreign players !
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here.
Which part of what he said are you disagreeing with? He was definitely among the best foreigners as terran and I can't see how you could say he's not comparable to other top foreigners now. He 2-0'd Strelok, Sjow has said that Morrow's zerg is some of the scariest to him, etc...
But to be fair I'm not sure how his other match ups are.
I would say that he was certainly among the best foreign terrans in the TvZ matchup, though it's difficult to say how much of that was because of the reaper imbalance (and yes, I am aware that the reaper micro took skill that he was very much able to pull off - but we can't say that he would definitely be as good of a TvZ player after the nerf. He could probably 2rax allin just as well, but again, does that make a good player overall?).
Accordingly, it also makes sense that he would then be good at ZvT when he switched, and I don't deny that it does look good. However, every other matchup I've seen him play since switching to zerg has seemed quite lackluster compared to that of other pro zergs.
So, I agree that Morrow was good at TvZ and now ZvT, but from watching him stream and play in dreamhack, etc. I think that his other matchups are still pretty poor compared to most foreign pro zergs. In my opinion, that makes him more of a sniper, so to speak, than a "best player" overall.
He was a top terran player in all matchups (also after the reaper nerf). I hate it when people think they know everything about a player just because they saw one BO5. He even won makro games without starting with reapers against Dimaga at the IEM.
In this BO5 against idra he won a makro game on blistering sands and a game without reapers on steppes.
His zerg is also very good in all matchups (e.g. 3-0 against Mana).
On December 14 2010 05:44 vdale wrote: In this BO5 against idra he won a makro game on blistering sands and a game without reapers on steppes.
You mean Blistering Sands where he massed reapers in early game? Or Steppes that is a heavy Terran favoured map? I'm not saying that Morrow is a bad player, he is actually very good (as Terran at least) but his winning against IdrA had more to do with the maps and racial imbalance than his skill. Although if he was less skilled he wouldn't be able to pull that off.
Having said that I'm hoping that he starts kicking some serious ass (again). People keep saying that he switched to Zerg only recently and thats why he's not dominating yet but imo he should have stayed with Terran. The game hasn't been figured out yet so I'm not buying that whole 'reaching the skill ceiling as T'.
On December 14 2010 05:44 vdale wrote: In this BO5 against idra he won a makro game on blistering sands and a game without reapers on steppes.
You mean Blistering Sands where he massed reapers in early game? Or Steppes that is a heavy Terran favoured map? I'm not saying that Morrow is a bad player, he is actually very good (as Terran at least) but his winning against IdrA had more to do with the maps and racial imbalance than his skill. Although if he was less skilled he wouldn't be able to pull that off.
Having said that I'm hoping that he starts kicking some serious ass (again). People keep saying that he switched to Zerg only recently and thats why he's not dominating yet but imo he should have stayed with Terran. The game hasn't been figured out yet so I'm not buying that whole 'reaching the skill ceiling as T'.
Well, the early Reapers on Blistering actually ended up going pretty evenly. I don't think Morrow really had an advantage from that, he just played better than Idra that game. The game on Steppes was a Marauder/Hellion allin.
Also Morrow is like top 10 on Europe ladder so obviously he's doing quite well with Zerg already, just needs some experience.
On December 21 2010 06:31 Peking) wrote: you know you like girls whenever you look at the hot girl instead of MorroW god shes hot is that MorroW's mom? or girlfriend?
Haha, are you serious, his mom =]
No she is a stage girl from ESL. (hanging around and looking pretty)
Huge fan MorroW. Always loved the take a few SCV's as meat shields! I try to incorporate that once in a while and it works. Good luck with your Zerg Endeavors!
On December 21 2010 06:31 Peking) wrote: you know you like girls whenever you look at the hot girl instead of MorroW god shes hot is that MorroW's mom? or girlfriend?
Haha, are you serious, his mom =]
No she is a stage girl from ESL. (hanging around and looking pretty)
well im suprised MorroW didnt take her backstage for some behind the scene stuff oh well
On December 21 2010 06:31 Peking) wrote: you know you like girls whenever you look at the hot girl instead of MorroW god shes hot is that MorroW's mom? or girlfriend?
Haha, are you serious, his mom =]
No she is a stage girl from ESL. (hanging around and looking pretty)
well im suprised MorroW didnt take her backstage for some behind the scene stuff oh well
Morrow actually looked kinda awkward when the stage girls were holding his arms. Hahaha, I remember watching that live.
Sign me up for this fanclub! I don't get why he has so many haters. He's holding his own quite well despite the race switch and I can't wait to see him win a major tournament in due time.
MorroW playing a 50min game against BratOK right now on his stream. check it out.
edit: it is over now, Morrow had refugee Bratok confined to one of the mains on Metalopolis and played corruptor infestor broodlord against BratOKs marine/raven. All map mined out.
Morrow just won a prized tournament(Viking Cup) with Zerg. =P But maybe Idra will still not hold onto his promise because Morrow counterpicked TvT on Steppes and ended up winning the game.
On December 21 2010 06:31 Peking) wrote: you know you like girls whenever you look at the hot girl instead of MorroW god shes hot is that MorroW's mom? or girlfriend?
Haha, are you serious, his mom =]
No she is a stage girl from ESL. (hanging around and looking pretty)
well im suprised MorroW didnt take her backstage for some behind the scene stuff oh well
Rumours has it that it was DIMAGA who was back stage
On December 21 2010 06:31 Peking) wrote: you know you like girls whenever you look at the hot girl instead of MorroW god shes hot is that MorroW's mom? or girlfriend?
Haha, are you serious, his mom =]
No she is a stage girl from ESL. (hanging around and looking pretty)
well im suprised MorroW didnt take her backstage for some behind the scene stuff oh well
Rumours has it that it was DIMAGA who was back stage
I've been following Morrow since beta, sign me up please!
I think he should finish learning zerg and then use both races based on the matchup and patch. I also look forward to him finishing school and going to korea.
Seriously this guy has too little fans. He is hella good, ofcourse he wouldnt have played super good just days after switching but if you watch his stream now its quite clear that he is up there with the best.
Not to justify what he planned to do, but I wouldnt put it on level with cheating and abuse of that level, yes match fixing is condemnable, but that system is clearly begging for that. I would compare that with tax paying, who would skip paying taxes for a small household job you ask a friend of yours to do if you know you can get away with that. Most of the people I imagine I know I would.
That said it still warrants a punisment imo, maybe ban from said tournament or something like that.
Is it gaming the system? Yes. Is it match fixing? No. So can we please keep the talk out of the fan club? I would love to see more replay packs from Morrow, he hasn't posted any in a couple of months.
On December 23 2010 00:58 GP wrote: Is it gaming the system? Yes. Is it match fixing? No. So can we please keep the talk out of the fan club? I would love to see more replay packs from Morrow, he hasn't posted any in a couple of months.
How is it not match fixing? They are deciding the outcome of the match ahead of time (should it ever happen) because 1 person said "Yes, I will lose to you".
"In organised sports, match fixing, game fixing, race fixing, or sports fixing occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result."
On December 23 2010 00:58 GP wrote: Is it gaming the system? Yes. Is it match fixing? No. So can we please keep the talk out of the fan club? I would love to see more replay packs from Morrow, he hasn't posted any in a couple of months.
How is it not match fixing? They are deciding the outcome of the match ahead of time (should it ever happen) because 1 person said "Yes, I will lose to you".
"In organised sports, match fixing, game fixing, race fixing, or sports fixing occurs as a match is played to a completely or partially pre-determined result."
Neither ever fixed a match, one of them dropped out of the tourney. There was zero match fixing. They talked about fixing the game, but if you read the op of the thread, that's all they ever did.
On December 23 2010 02:28 MorroW wrote: when we saw this event we quickly realized if both if us played it and won half of the tours then we wouldnt get the computer (there are about 16 tours and need 11 tour wins to get the computer). assuming we would win half of these each which would make us 3 steps away from getting it
so we asked maven if it was allowed to play the finals and give the win to the other player even if someone else won. for example if me and sjow met in finals and then we stacked all wins to sjows "thorphy table". he said he was ok and i thought it was ok going to IOL on the bus but when i got there it was not the case. we were not allowed to stack all wins to 1 player
in all honesty im far from a cheater, i have never cheated in my life and im a serious gamer. i thought i could keep the stream on because its not like were gonna talk anything dirty about cheating. we were just honestly asking the admins of the tournament if it was allowed to give the wins to 1 player if we met in the finals. which was not allowed
and from here rakaka took over and made the story alot more interesting than it actually is haha
if its allowed by the admins to split wins like that then u shouldnt call the gamers cheaters or anything, then you should complaint to the admins and orga for allowing it to happen. me and sjow are good friends and we knew we would be the far superior players at this backdoor neighbour events thats why we wanted to work together so we wouldnt sabotage each other so nobody of us would get the computer, it actually makes alot of sense.
you cant blame players for things they do might be boring or lame, just when i abused reapers in the IEM germany, its imbalanced and i said it myself but you shouldnt call me a lame player for doing it, you should put the blame on the game for being imbalanced. its quite the same concept if u think about it really
me and sjow came to a new conclusion now anyway and we decided only 1 player should stay and play these tournaments and it turns out to be sjow. just to make it extra clear only 1 of us plays this because if both plays it theres a big risk neither of us gets the computer and that would be such a tragedy
lets just cheer for sjow to get the computer asap. if the cs players get 11 wins before sjow does, then they will take both the computers they have on their giveout and once sjow reach 11 wins he wont get any computer. thats why its so important that 1 person wins all tours in a row
many are talking about rigging games as in acting the finals when one player plays on purpose badly so he loses. we were never going to do this ofcourse. we were gonna play finals and have a nice time and let the best player win, and then give the actual prize wins to 1 person.
this is not anything like koreas match making scandal^^ ive been a member of the sc community for a long time and ive been a very mannered and competitive one aswell with high goals in the game. it would never come to me to cheat in events and thats why i wanted to make sure with the admins it was allowed to pile up all wins on 1 person because personally i thought it sounded silly and didnt believe we would be allowed to do so, which turned out to be true.
just wanna give a big cheers to inferno online they have let me practice there for over a month for free and hosting such awesome events. i wish the guys who participate in it the best of luck and ill leave sjow to this one
i never meant to do anything that i knew was wrong. we were told it was allowed but once i got there it was completely different. all we have done really is just to ask if something was allowed by the admins and they said it was ok and will work something out, and later on changing their mind and then rakaka took it from there
On December 22 2010 15:54 bITt.mAN wrote: So is he a no-gooder match-fixer or what?
Hey, I like Morrow, he played Terran, but we all hate match fixing
User was warned for this post
Sorry about that guys, I was offa LR-high and wasn't putting much thought into mah posts. I was ignorant, sorry I soiled his name for no reason (hey, it's just that I remember what happened with match-fixing with SC and that nearly ruined BW for me), but after being informed and a bit less ignorant I respect Morrow much more and understand where's he's coming from.
Sorry guys, Morrow fighting
Why have his MAPS not been mentioned yet, I always like those...
On December 23 2010 02:28 MorroW wrote: when we saw this event we quickly realized if both if us played it and won half of the tours then we wouldnt get the computer (there are about 16 tours and need 11 tour wins to get the computer). assuming we would win half of these each which would make us 3 steps away from getting it
so we asked maven if it was allowed to play the finals and give the win to the other player even if someone else won. for example if me and sjow met in finals and then we stacked all wins to sjows "thorphy table". he said he was ok and i thought it was ok going to IOL on the bus but when i got there it was not the case. we were not allowed to stack all wins to 1 player
in all honesty im far from a cheater, i have never cheated in my life and im a serious gamer. i thought i could keep the stream on because its not like were gonna talk anything dirty about cheating. we were just honestly asking the admins of the tournament if it was allowed to give the wins to 1 player if we met in the finals. which was not allowed
and from here rakaka took over and made the story alot more interesting than it actually is haha
if its allowed by the admins to split wins like that then u shouldnt call the gamers cheaters or anything, then you should complaint to the admins and orga for allowing it to happen. me and sjow are good friends and we knew we would be the far superior players at this backdoor neighbour events thats why we wanted to work together so we wouldnt sabotage each other so nobody of us would get the computer, it actually makes alot of sense.
you cant blame players for things they do might be boring or lame, just when i abused reapers in the IEM germany, its imbalanced and i said it myself but you shouldnt call me a lame player for doing it, you should put the blame on the game for being imbalanced. its quite the same concept if u think about it really
me and sjow came to a new conclusion now anyway and we decided only 1 player should stay and play these tournaments and it turns out to be sjow. just to make it extra clear only 1 of us plays this because if both plays it theres a big risk neither of us gets the computer and that would be such a tragedy
lets just cheer for sjow to get the computer asap. if the cs players get 11 wins before sjow does, then they will take both the computers they have on their giveout and once sjow reach 11 wins he wont get any computer. thats why its so important that 1 person wins all tours in a row
many are talking about rigging games as in acting the finals when one player plays on purpose badly so he loses. we were never going to do this ofcourse. we were gonna play finals and have a nice time and let the best player win, and then give the actual prize wins to 1 person.
this is not anything like koreas match making scandal^^ ive been a member of the sc community for a long time and ive been a very mannered and competitive one aswell with high goals in the game. it would never come to me to cheat in events and thats why i wanted to make sure with the admins it was allowed to pile up all wins on 1 person because personally i thought it sounded silly and didnt believe we would be allowed to do so, which turned out to be true.
just wanna give a big cheers to inferno online they have let me practice there for over a month for free and hosting such awesome events. i wish the guys who participate in it the best of luck and ill leave sjow to this one
i never meant to do anything that i knew was wrong. we were told it was allowed but once i got there it was completely different. all we have done really is just to ask if something was allowed by the admins and they said it was ok and will work something out, and later on changing their mind and then rakaka took it from there
Ok that changes everything, my love to Morrow is restored to the full <3
Signups added.
edit: Maps added, if someone can find better links to his maps pm or post here.
I was just about to say the same. Check Morrow vs Kiwikaki in the SCReddit Invitational ro8!
Morrow's been doing good lately. He's making zvp look easy, in spite of the current trend of p>z. His semifinal in craft cup 25 vs socke was also great to watch.
I've been seeing this coming. Going from being the best foreign Terran in the world, to restart completely from scratch learning Zerg and now he reminds me of a young JulyZerg circa 2005.
Ok, the MorroW vs Kiwikaki series was sick. If anyone doubts MorroW's skill, go watch that on screddit. Right now. Unless WhiteRa decides to 1 base all-in every game, MorroW's going to own him with his Idraesque macro in the bo7 final. There's no doubt in my mind about that.
Yay morrow just took down diestar in the go4sc2 finals. I feel that as long as he doesn't spawn close pos he's fucking great atm, just gotta work a little on his early game drone/army priorities.
Really impressive play vs Diestar in that last game, it was almost like he was toying with him! I wouldn't say he's the overmind, yet, but he is getting there
Loved the fact that in the final game morrow played such a typical broodwar zvt, where he'd bait with mutas, run in speedlings from the front and backstab and just generally micro the shit out of his mutaling army. Good to see. :D
GG's MorroW and good try. You've come a long way since you've switched to Zerg and I think you've proven once again that you are one of the best player outside of Korea. Good luck at the IEM finals.
Morrow is a fucking hero. I don't normally enjoy taking the piss out of people, but all haters after IEM Colonge should really, and slowly, eat their words. Morrow is one of the most skilled foreigners and he has proven it by beating most of the world's elite with two different races.
Morrow definitely gives me hope as zerg. When i watch Ret, ret raped Assembly because he was way better then all of his opponents, but his style is rather by the book(tee hee). Morrow however has something very unique about his style which ill be sure to look into some more.
On February 13 2011 12:29 Sfydjklm wrote: Morrow definitely gives me hope as zerg. When i watch Ret, ret raped Assembly because he was way better then all of his opponents, but his style is rather by the book(tee hee). Morrow however has something very unique about his style which ill be sure to look into some more.
Can you elaborate more on what you perceive to be unique about MorroW play? I'm genuinely curious.
On February 13 2011 12:29 Sfydjklm wrote: Morrow definitely gives me hope as zerg. When i watch Ret, ret raped Assembly because he was way better then all of his opponents, but his style is rather by the book(tee hee). Morrow however has something very unique about his style which ill be sure to look into some more.
Can you elaborate more on what you perceive to be unique about MorroW play? I'm genuinely curious.
im not sure. I'm studying reps it just feels quiet different. He sort of always in control of the game flow. Its quiet unusual for a zerg.
On February 13 2011 12:29 Sfydjklm wrote: Morrow definitely gives me hope as zerg. When i watch Ret, ret raped Assembly because he was way better then all of his opponents, but his style is rather by the book(tee hee). Morrow however has something very unique about his style which ill be sure to look into some more.
Can you elaborate more on what you perceive to be unique about MorroW play? I'm genuinely curious.
When MorroW gets into lategame, his zerg just looks like proper zerg... mass ammounts of units streaming in from all directions.
Other zergs tend to be muta harass, and then a big deathball (mainly roaches, supported by iether banelings or hydras) moving in for the kill.
On February 13 2011 12:29 Sfydjklm wrote: Morrow definitely gives me hope as zerg. When i watch Ret, ret raped Assembly because he was way better then all of his opponents, but his style is rather by the book(tee hee). Morrow however has something very unique about his style which ill be sure to look into some more.
Can you elaborate more on what you perceive to be unique about MorroW play? I'm genuinely curious.
When MorroW gets into lategame, his zerg just looks like proper zerg... mass ammounts of units streaming in from all directions.
Other zergs tend to be muta harass, and then a big deathball (mainly roaches, supported by iether banelings or hydras) moving in for the kill.
That's just the feeling I get.
Morrow also has a late game mass infestor play that is just beautiful.
Grats on winning the competo cup Morrow! I really like how he worked around spawning at the imba close positions on LT, by relocating his main to the top position:p
On February 13 2011 12:29 Sfydjklm wrote: Morrow definitely gives me hope as zerg. When i watch Ret, ret raped Assembly because he was way better then all of his opponents, but his style is rather by the book(tee hee). Morrow however has something very unique about his style which ill be sure to look into some more.
Can you elaborate more on what you perceive to be unique about MorroW play? I'm genuinely curious.
Well, one example was in the Assembly when he bit by bit methodically moved his base from close position to cross position, and then just gave up his original main when the migration was complete. He also make use of Neural, and sometimes even pull it off. His Zerg just feels so invigorating, and you could tell his fostering as a Zerg mainly came from his own experimenting, if you watch his earliest replays as Zerg.
Socke tried to play from the Unbalanced playbook and went Void Ray, Collusus, Sentry.... and was in close positions. Artosis has been talking alot lately about how this build as prot is unbeatable by zerg.
Well... Morrow isn't just any zerg.... he's the white Nestea!
Plus... Morrow is so clutch... he needed that win bad to make sure he's at least going to get enough points to qualify for the TL main event.
Huge fan!
Morrows got a shot to be the best in the world! He's truly shown greatness on numerous occasions.
On February 21 2011 01:44 gnutz wrote: Congrats on qualifying (nearly) for the TSL.
Morrow is the only true Zerg. Funny that he wasn't Zerg at first. But his style is superior to all of the others.
Only Drones until T2 on LT closed positions vs Terran <3
I don't want to seem rude, but NesTea? Ret? IdrA? Fruitdealer? MorroW isn't close to being one of the best zergs.
I mean, he is really good, and for being a switcher he is extremely good, but he can't measure the power of many other Z's.
He's definitely the best Zerg in Europe, he doesn't compare to Nestea, FD, and Idra, and I would say he's more solid than Ret. Ret's just overhyped at this point for being so good at BW and being really good at "macro" Ret's getting better and better but he's not in the same league as Idra, Nestea, or FD. And despite losing to Ret (Ret's ZvZ is much stronger) I think Morrow is the slightly more solid Zerg overall and throughout this tournament has shown he's less suspect to cheese than Ret is.
On February 21 2011 01:44 gnutz wrote: Congrats on qualifying (nearly) for the TSL.
Morrow is the only true Zerg. Funny that he wasn't Zerg at first. But his style is superior to all of the others.
Only Drones until T2 on LT closed positions vs Terran <3
I don't want to seem rude, but NesTea? Ret? IdrA? Fruitdealer? MorroW isn't close to being one of the best zergs.
I mean, he is really good, and for being a switcher he is extremely good, but he can't measure the power of many other Z's.
He's definitely the best Zerg in Europe, he doesn't compare to Nestea, FD, and Idra, and I would say he's more solid than Ret. Ret's just overhyped at this point for being so good at BW and being really good at "macro" Ret's getting better and better but he's not in the same league as Idra, Nestea, or FD. And despite losing to Ret (Ret's ZvZ is much stronger) I think Morrow is the slightly more solid Zerg overall and throughout this tournament has shown he's less suspect to cheese than Ret is.
Morrow may be good but I think Dimaga is still the king zerg in EU (and has been for a long time now). Still I'd say that Morrow is very good rival for the number 1 zerg in EU.
On February 21 2011 01:44 gnutz wrote: Congrats on qualifying (nearly) for the TSL.
Morrow is the only true Zerg. Funny that he wasn't Zerg at first. But his style is superior to all of the others.
Only Drones until T2 on LT closed positions vs Terran <3
I don't want to seem rude, but NesTea? Ret? IdrA? Fruitdealer? MorroW isn't close to being one of the best zergs.
I mean, he is really good, and for being a switcher he is extremely good, but he can't measure the power of many other Z's.
He's definitely the best Zerg in Europe, he doesn't compare to Nestea, FD, and Idra, and I would say he's more solid than Ret. Ret's just overhyped at this point for being so good at BW and being really good at "macro" Ret's getting better and better but he's not in the same league as Idra, Nestea, or FD. And despite losing to Ret (Ret's ZvZ is much stronger) I think Morrow is the slightly more solid Zerg overall and throughout this tournament has shown he's less suspect to cheese than Ret is.
Morrow may be good but I think Dimaga is still the king zerg in EU (and has been for a long time now). Still I'd say that Morrow is very good rival for the number 1 zerg in EU.
Actually, you're probably right. Dimaga's the only European Zerg who can compete, and probably has a stronger late game than Morrow.
On February 21 2011 01:44 gnutz wrote: Congrats on qualifying (nearly) for the TSL.
Morrow is the only true Zerg. Funny that he wasn't Zerg at first. But his style is superior to all of the others.
Only Drones until T2 on LT closed positions vs Terran <3
I don't want to seem rude, but NesTea? Ret? IdrA? Fruitdealer? MorroW isn't close to being one of the best zergs.
I mean, he is really good, and for being a switcher he is extremely good, but he can't measure the power of many other Z's.
He's definitely the best Zerg in Europe, he doesn't compare to Nestea, FD, and Idra, and I would say he's more solid than Ret. Ret's just overhyped at this point for being so good at BW and being really good at "macro" Ret's getting better and better but he's not in the same league as Idra, Nestea, or FD. And despite losing to Ret (Ret's ZvZ is much stronger) I think Morrow is the slightly more solid Zerg overall and throughout this tournament has shown he's less suspect to cheese than Ret is.
I would put Ret in the same league as Idra to be honest. I would also pick Ret over Morrow any day. The reason Ret 'is' more vulnerable to cheese is because he always wants to build barely enough units to hold off so he can drone more. It's what BW was all about and it's what SC2 will be all about eventually. Also the games against Naniwa proved that he's dealing with cheese better now.
Ofcourse I am a massive Ret fanboy, so I could be wrong. God damn do I miss his BW FP stream.
On February 22 2011 00:35 FlopTurnReaver wrote: Just on the stream:
I wasn't watching the stream, what is the context?
1) he forgot a depot 2) typed i forgot a depot 3) morrow laughed
Haha exactly :D
I don't really recall it exactly but it was something like TLO going into Morrows droneline at the nat of XNC, Morrow pulling his 4drones and morphing into extractor/cancel and run back to the main and manages to save all his drones. Was awesome.
I don't know about you guys, but I haven't really followed Morrow that much and had an impression of him based of just a few things. After watching this (The interview is in Swedish unfortunately) interview just now, I have a new and much better impression of him, he's a pretty cool guy!
Morrow does what he has to do to win games and not too many players are too great at that. 5 rax reaper or baneling bust, doesnt matter, if that is what it takes to win he will do it and that is exactly what seperates him from a player like IdrA.
People will most likely think the baneling bust plays were cheap, but really, when you watch all of Jinro's games on the new GSL maps, he does the exact same wall-off, early-expo build 95% of the time and it makes intuitive sense to formulate a strategy to counter his one-dimensional play.
MorroW just studied his opponent well and Jinro was too stubborn to adapt, well played Morrow.
On March 21 2011 07:12 Sgany wrote: Sign me up. MorroW fightinggg Beating a Terran even IdrA could not out do
Huh IdrA just beat Jinro 2-1 in the GCPL third place ace match. Also IdrA did say he didn't even practice for the showmatch series against Jinro. Don't get me wrong, I'm super impressed that MorroW beat Jinro and it's a really strong achievement but it's not like he did something IdrA couldn't.
On March 21 2011 07:12 Sgany wrote: Sign me up. MorroW fightinggg Beating a Terran even IdrA could not out do
Huh IdrA just beat Jinro 2-1 in the GCPL third place ace match. Also IdrA did say he didn't even practice for the showmatch series against Jinro. Don't get me wrong, I'm super impressed that MorroW beat Jinro and it's a really strong achievement but it's not like he did something IdrA couldn't.
Count me in. One the best in two races and lends balanced thoughtful discussion to many threads here. A true asset to team-liquid and great player! Hope you go far Morrow!
GOMtv.net Morrow has arrived in Seoul for World Championship! http://t.co/PfvAQ5v He says he is tired but excited to be in Korea. Morrow is on his way to the GOM House!
Go MorroW!
He doing Code A Qualifiers too while hes over there too? Or not cause hes still at school?
Morrows zergplay is at a really high level now, it´s just a matter of time before he gets his major zerg breakthrough in some big tournament. I think his zerg now is better then his terran was, and he was a terran beast, he was one of the best if not the best terran foreigner when he switched. Alot of people don´t seem to realize what an achievement it is to switch race and become as good as he is with zerg, as fast as he has done it.
As far as I know no other foreigner has been one of the very best with one race and then switched and become a top player with another one, TLO is the only one I can think of that´s been at a really high level with several races but tbh Terran is TLOs best race by far.
On April 17 2011 07:32 Kylig wrote:I really think this constant agression is what Z have to do, once collossus counts go above 3 its pretty much game over.
I really like how you think like that.
I mean there's no way any other unit composition would deal with that, right.
I really enjoyed watching you play. You seemed a little uncomfortable with the dropping and pushes you did though, so I think you could benefit from practicing those more. Hasu would be a great practice partner for these. Good luck in the future! Looking forward to seeing you play again!
AMAZING comeback by morrow in the last game, I honestly jumped out of my chair when MorroW won, I don't care if you think I'm nuts for being such a fan, but I don't care! Amazing games MorroW GL next week!
In my humble opinion, the man deserved to win at least one of the games tonight. With the information he had, and the route the Protoss was taking, I really dont expect things could have been played any better. These days every time Zerg wins that MU it feels like a bloody miracle. WP Morrow and thanks for the Zerg lessons.
You can say that again! He is making Nani look like some random kid from the block, total domination! And Nani did not play bad at all, Morrow just played much, much better.
Stunning performance today, I love this baneling/ling/infestor/ultra play, gotta try it on the ladder, but I fear wihout Morrows micro and timing I`m gonna fail miserably >.<
Wait what? Where did he play terran? Plz link if there are vods I was a huge fan of MorroW's T style, and I watched streams of him alot. It's not like 5 rax reaper was the only thing he did in all matchups by the way..... He was already then a pretty fucking awesome terran, and made me choose that race.
On June 13 2011 09:46 Euronyme wrote: Wait what? Where did he play terran? Plz link if there are vods I was a huge fan of MorroW's T style, and I watched streams of him alot. It's not like 5 rax reaper was the only thing he did in all matchups by the way..... He was already then a pretty fucking awesome terran, and made me choose that race.
He did it in the SHOUTcraft Invitational, vs. the one Zerg he faced.
On June 17 2011 12:26 Kfcnoob wrote: morrow i really like u and ur play
BUT
u won against NaDa abusing some seriously imbalanced shit in game3.
this isnt balance whine since david kim has commented on broodlord/infestor imbalance vs T
This is his fanclub thread, not a place for you to qq about balance. There are plenty of other bad threads that have degenerated into that, don't bring it here where the reaction WILL be hostile.
That was some pretty fucking impressive zerg vs terran O_O
Although, if I remember it right, NASL doesn't allow race picking so he won't be able to TvZ against July. Little concerned about his ability to take July down in ZvZ.
On June 17 2011 12:28 Bear4188 wrote: Although, if I remember it right, NASL doesn't allow race picking so he won't be able to TvZ against July. Little concerned about his ability to take July down in ZvZ.
Well... Julys ZvZ is also kinda horrible, so i wouldn't be too scared : - )
On June 17 2011 12:26 Kfcnoob wrote: morrow i really like u and ur play
BUT
u won against NaDa abusing some seriously imbalanced shit in game3.
this isnt balance whine since david kim has commented on broodlord/infestor imbalance vs T
User was warned for this post
Actually he won against Nada becuase he outmacroing him to feck.
Gz to morrow btw sign me up
Not only that, but... infestor, brood lord, corruptor, versus lower tier units. On paper, who should win?
I didn't come here to talk about balance, honestly, that play was disgustingly awesome. Morrow is just such a good player, using creep and then spine pushing, using brood lords and spines... slow pushing...
Truly, only the one known as the infested terran could pull something off so Terran-like with Zerg.
Holy shit, I'm in awe of morrow's series vs. Nada. I'm trying to write something clever, but... Words can't express how much respect I have for Morrow, Jesus!!!
I can understand not wanting to go ZVZ against Dimaga, - Dimaga is SUCH a beast at ZVZ - being the only one to take down Nestea ever! + Show Spoiler +
I liked the general macro terran style morrow was presenting, and clear precise scouting. But his TVZ felt stale and quiet, when it feels like he could have had opportunities to abuse medivac drops and multiprong attacks particularly in that game on crevasse. And he was totally unready for 4 armor ultralisks with his 1-0 marines :\
Ultimately I feel like he lost because he wasn't pressuring Dimaga.
Really neat tank positioning to cover his backdoor rocks, though! That was brilliant.
On June 21 2011 13:30 EcstatiC wrote: ^ ya is he back to playing terran now? or what was going on there?
That's only for vZ. He said (in an interview somewhere on this site...) that high level ZvZ is way too volatile, so he switched to T for that match up.
On June 21 2011 13:30 EcstatiC wrote: ^ ya is he back to playing terran now? or what was going on there?
That's only for vZ. He said (in an interview somewhere on this site...) that high level ZvZ is way too volatile, so he switched to T for that match up.
If anyone's not watching the gamescom qualifier #3, Morrow is playing fantastically, you have to tune in. A fucking textbook defence of a 6gate attack, when it looked like all was lost. If you can find the VODs, it's Grubby vs Morrow game 2 on Shakuras, broadcasted on ESLTV#2.
MorroW, I love you man but wtf is up with this semi-tilting in tournament finales and TvZ stuff? You should be crushing lots of more nerds then you are doing right now with your awesome mechanics and game knowledge! I loved the adjustments between game 1 and game 2 vs SelecT, really fun to see.
I think so. I only saw 2 games but he went mass spines + mass infestor/broodlord/corruptor and did a lot of 4 infestor drops to kill HuKs economy. Im a HuK fan but Morrows play was immaculate!
Ever since I saw morrow play practice ZvP games vs Puzzle on Puzzle's stream, I became hooked. The games vs Huk today were absolutely amazing. I was a little sad to see the Huk fans in chat going crazy just bc Huk was losing though. >.<
On August 09 2011 02:49 Sajaki wrote: I think so. I only saw 2 games but he went mass spines + mass infestor/broodlord/corruptor and did a lot of 4 infestor drops to kill HuKs economy. Im a HuK fan but Morrows play was immaculate!
Did you see that game on TDA where morrow lost his third , natural and main and still won. It was quite epic.
On August 09 2011 02:49 Sajaki wrote: I think so. I only saw 2 games but he went mass spines + mass infestor/broodlord/corruptor and did a lot of 4 infestor drops to kill HuKs economy. Im a HuK fan but Morrows play was immaculate!
Did you see that game on TDA where morrow lost his third , natural and main and still won. It was quite epic.
I didn't, will have to watch that from his VOD archive. Crossfire was sick! MorroW should stream more too... =)
On August 09 2011 02:49 Sajaki wrote: I think so. I only saw 2 games but he went mass spines + mass infestor/broodlord/corruptor and did a lot of 4 infestor drops to kill HuKs economy. Im a HuK fan but Morrows play was immaculate!
Did you see that game on TDA where morrow lost his third , natural and main and still won. It was quite epic.
I was sure morrow had that game lost but then huk scouted base up north and it was full of spines and 200/200 broodlord infestor :D I was like WTF!! :D
On August 09 2011 02:49 Sajaki wrote: I think so. I only saw 2 games but he went mass spines + mass infestor/broodlord/corruptor and did a lot of 4 infestor drops to kill HuKs economy. Im a HuK fan but Morrows play was immaculate!
Did you see that game on TDA where morrow lost his third , natural and main and still won. It was quite epic.
I was sure morrow had that game lost but then huk scouted base up north and it was full of spines and 200/200 broodlord infestor :D I was like WTF!! :D
whoah morrow, such a smart player, on and off the battleground :D I really love to educate myself by reading what you think about the game. Best of luck in your next matches!
Extremely impressive player. Hands down the best foreign Zerg(/Terran) player out there. He does a lot of things people don't even think about that are a huge deal (Nydus Worms on the big maps like Tal'Darim for example). I love watching this guy. Sign me up for the fan club!
Sign me up! Always been a fan of his T (especially TvZ, just saw a game of him vs Sen on NASL that just amazed me to the point of me signing up to this fanclub ) and its so funny looking at the posts on the first page, five days from a year ago. He had some doubters in the beginning but MorroWZerg has more than proven himself ^^,
NASL and WCG is coming up, and morrow even skipped dreamhack in preparation for these events. I'm so hoping for morrow to shock everyone with amazing results.
More than 1 year ago, i was like, who on earth is this freaking nobody pwning idra in the finals of IEM cologne with cheesy 5 rax reaper? Fast forward to today, I can't help but say this: OMFG MORROW U ARE SO AWESOME GOOD LUCK IN KOREA! ROCK ON!!
He played really well first game, decent the others except for the one against gumiho where he got kind of torn apart :/ (gumihos harass was beyond godlike). Hope you stay in korea some more :/
Well he did say that he didn't plan on playing already, that he needed more time and w/e and that he only took it cause he got it offered. Don't get discouraged MorroW! You have much potential, the korean aggro style must be so frustrating to play against, especially coming from the flood of generally passive macro in Europe (yes looking at you ret,mana,kas,happy,thorzain, socke etc etc).
"On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote: lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again"
Quoted that from reddit thread, not entirely sure if it is true but it seems like something IdrA would say - either way, id love to see Morrow tearing shit up in GSL and some other big tournaments especially with his commitment to practice now, sign me up
On January 01 2012 18:21 Cyro wrote: "On September 16 2010 22:05 IdrA wrote: lol morrow wins a single prized tournament with zerg and ill never say the word balance again"
Quoted that from reddit thread, not entirely sure if it is true but it seems like something IdrA would say - either way, id love to see Morrow tearing shit up in GSL and some other big tournaments especially with his commitment to practice now, sign me up
I love when an epic game happens, I always come to TL and there is the link to the "Fan Club" on the left... MORROW vs Leenock NASL Game 5 FTW!!!!!!!!!... how many nukes was that? literally 100? 90? 80?
Did I hear it right, that Morrow prepared against Khaldor for the match vs Leenock? I hope he finds some good training partners in Korea before his Code A match..
I just wanted to express my appreciation for your thought out interview questions/posts/general interaction with the public. It's a breath of fresh air from the usual copy/paste junk or the attention-whoring BM. And you're an awesome player on top of that! Took me a while to realize that these were parts of the reasons why I'm always rooting for you when I'm watching you play.
Sign me in. It's always great to see a zerg that tries flank (and focus on unit control), too bad hellions ruined your day :'( . I really look forward to see you play again.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
On November 28 2010 03:22 Knix wrote: I'm really confused on this. As to why MorroW should get a fanclub, that is. He seems like an okay guy, but.. MorroW's performance at dreamhack was absolutely horrible. He played like a 2k Zerg, which is funny, because he is a 2k Zerg. I was honestly shocked as to why he got an invite given his terrible performance. His games against Mana were just laughable. Bad decision making, bad creep spread, etc. I see how he's basically trying to defend his reputation by playing the "UP" race after just abusing shit like 5 rax reaper to win tournaments, but this is just silly.
He should just accept that he'll only be a mediocre Zerg at best and go back to being a slightly more than mediocre Terran.
User was warned for this post
So...in 2 years retrospect...
I`m all for drama, but that was as silly then as it is now. Thats why he got warned. Noone informed and moderately intelligent doubted that Morrow will do well.
On February 27 2012 18:49 Noak3 wrote: Is there any possible way that morrow will release a replay pack? I'd love to figure out the specifics of that 4-queen zvt build he uses
Yeah man same here. We would love some replays MorroW
I am confused... seems MorroW did not enter code A qualifiers this time... I would have loved to see the skill increase that is evident at work in that cutthroat competition.
Morrow is a really sick zerg. Love watching the stream. I've been having a hard time trying to find the instrumental music he is usually listening to on stream. Anyone familiar with what it is? tyty
I am really sad that there are so few recent VODs/Reps of morrow playing as Zerg (!) vs Terran. I can only find VODs of his games against Thorzain at the Redbull lan, if there are more VODs/Reps out there, pls help me
On April 17 2012 05:09 Nifel wrote: I can't find my own name in the list on the first page. Please fix (aka sign me up!) :< I've felt something was missing for a few years now.
Also; Morrow is amazingly awesomesauce.
The mistake has been recitified!
I fully agree, Morrow rocks.
By the way, if anyone (not just Nifel) has skills and free time the OP could use some graphical improvements. I would do it myself, but alas, the most advanced graphical tool I can handle is MS Paint and I`m pretty buisy with university. It would be much appreciated!
On May 06 2012 15:02 rUiNati0n wrote: Suggestion: If you put the first one on a background the same color as TL, it will look much nicer than with the white.
That shall be done, this is a fast preview.
Graphics were done by tompaguden , big thanks to him, now we have the prettiest fanclub in TL
Sign me up! I attended the sunday showdown, and I must say that MorroW just showed that he is one of the best Terrans vs Zerg's out there. Wish him luck, Iceland shows support for him. ♥
On May 07 2012 23:15 Kontys wrote: MorroW needs to go back to playing terran full time X)
He's like been there, done that. Just wait til he takes a major tournament with Zerg too, then he'll start practicing Protoss as well and play ZvP, TvZ and PvT..or something.
Anyway, while I'd arguably say that he's always had sick potential with Terran and that he might have taken more major tournaments had he stuck to the guns all the time, as a watcher and fan I love seeing him mix it up. He's produced pretty damn good results as Zerg. No major championship titles, but he's always been one of the most consistant players in the scene. All those silver and bronze medals together are imoho worth more than a single gold.
On May 09 2012 15:59 4ZakeN87 wrote: Several times now I read that MorroW has not won a major tournament, how is IEM global challenge Cologne not a major championship?
Regardless gratz Morrow, keep it up.
I think they mean as Zerg. He won IEM as Terran.
I agree with almost everyone here that had MorroW stuck with Terran he probably would've won much more by then. With that being said, his Zerg is pretty sick and produces some entertaining games.
I think that if MorroW had stuck with Terran, he'd be on par with Thorzain right now. Probably better. He was the number one Terran outside of Korea during most of the beta, after all. I think he should quit playing Zerg, even though he's good at it. Terran is clearly his race.
While he was streaming his ladder sessions (btw, does anybody knows if he's gonna stream again soon?), he did not 6-pool his zvzs... I remember him taking down Zenio in a regular game. Of course, it's just ladder but it's still a good win.
I watch a lot of MorroW's stream when he does stream, and he ladders as zerg for several games and then ladders as Terran for several games, playing all of the matchups he gets. Although as Terran he plays for fun sometimes in TvP and TvT, and does silly mech builds against Protoss and such. As zerg, he DOES play ZvZ on ladder, and I actually have to say he's pretty damn good at it.
This was all when he was in Korea, which is the only time he streams. He said that his computer at home is too bad to stream in his interview for the NASL Sunday Showdown against EGIdrA.
Lastshadow was the guy who said he all-ined every game ZvZ in an interview with Artosis, who then responded with "So you're basically JulyZerg?" You can find it on ArtosisTV on YouTube. I think at this point however, Lastshadow is Terran full time? I'm not sure.
On June 15 2012 04:23 CaF-Lunar wrote: Can anyone remember to what music artist he always listened while streaming? it was some kind of electro, but very soft.
On June 15 2012 04:23 CaF-Lunar wrote: Can anyone remember to what music artist he always listened while streaming? it was some kind of electro, but very soft.
Is it sure that he actually continues his career? I mean we hardly got to see him and he was always just seemed to practice underground. No stream, only few tourney participations with so so results. I always wondered why such a solid player with Korea experience showed so little effort to win things. Hope to see more from him though.
What is the status with Morrow now? Last I saw was that he was in the MoW house, but is he there now? Will he start to play turnaments soon again? Hope so!
On September 17 2012 00:56 tompaguden wrote: He just moved to MoW and will most likely be streaming a lot so keep your eyes open on the stream. http://sv.twitch.tv/ministryofwin_morrow
Sry for my noob question, but wtf is MoW? Is this a sc2 team?
On September 17 2012 00:56 tompaguden wrote: He just moved to MoW and will most likely be streaming a lot so keep your eyes open on the stream. http://sv.twitch.tv/ministryofwin_morrow
Sry for my noob question, but wtf is MoW? Is this a sc2 team?
On September 17 2012 23:38 Kotreb wrote: he's back to terran again or?
Well I've always prefered his Terran play. He always was doing more exciting stuff as Terran lol.
agreed. he also switched to zerg because he said the defensive macro playstyle was more like terran mech in bw, and with mech making the resurgence in hots i would be happy to see him switch back
On September 17 2012 23:38 Kotreb wrote: he's back to terran again or?
Well I've always prefered his Terran play. He always was doing more exciting stuff as Terran lol.
agreed. he also switched to zerg because he said the defensive macro playstyle was more like terran mech in bw, and with mech making the resurgence in hots i would be happy to see him switch back
Yeah and if he just focuses on HotS like he appears to be doing he may be ahead of the curve when it actually comes out.
So has anyone heard if he plans to switch back to Terran for realz? I really liked that he was one of the few who were capable of playing two races, but maybe it'd be easier to master one race, and I really like his Terran play in HOTS right now.
Im a little concerned about MOW house, if i was in morrow's position i would not be able to practice at all with Desrow, Destiny and several others yelling stuff or joking around, changing hotkeys while player is afk multiple times etc, joking or not. He asked them to stop or be quiet multiple times and they didnt, it must be incredibly distracting
On October 24 2012 04:03 Cyro wrote: Im a little concerned about MOW house, if i was in morrow's position i would not be able to practice at all with Desrow, Destiny and several others yelling stuff or joking around, changing hotkeys while player is afk multiple times etc, joking or not. He asked them to stop or be quiet multiple times and they didnt, it must be incredibly distracting
Ya. I would have hung myself with my mouse a LONG time ago. Is he really going 100 hours? Man, that sounds dangerous. 48 would be huge. :/
What is going on with MorroW now? He is not playing in any offline tournaments, he is 1-7 in NASL and have been playing lots of HOTS only lately. Except, actially streaming WoL now.
I hope he will not retire, but almost feels like it, like he has lost the passion for the game?
Or is he just practicing HOTS and will come back strong when it is released?
On November 14 2012 21:54 pekkasteele wrote: What is going on with MorroW now? He is not playing in any offline tournaments, he is 1-7 in NASL and have been playing lots of HOTS only lately. Except, actially streaming WoL now.
I hope he will not retire, but almost feels like it, like he has lost the passion for the game?
Or is he just practicing HOTS and will come back strong when it is released?
First, when terran was crushing every tournament and zerg sucked, so he swiched to Zerg to help then with the metagame. Now he reached his goal and Zerg has became OP so naturally he swiched back to terran to help them again, as terran has been underperforming lately.
Expect terran to win every tournament next year and Morrow switching back to zerg.
On November 14 2012 21:54 pekkasteele wrote: What is going on with MorroW now? He is not playing in any offline tournaments, he is 1-7 in NASL and have been playing lots of HOTS only lately. Except, actially streaming WoL now.
I hope he will not retire, but almost feels like it, like he has lost the passion for the game?
Or is he just practicing HOTS and will come back strong when it is released?
Your question kind of answers itself; he's most likely 1-7 in NASL due to playing almost nothing but HotS (as another race) for the past few months. Pretty sure he's not going to retire any time soon.
Also, did anyone else see the TL Attack with Morrow? I've seen about half of it, hilarious so far. Morrow is awesome.
So is Morrow switching to Terran in HOTS? Looks like it, from what I've seen. Somewhat disappointing, but I respect his decision and hope he can make mech work.
One of my recent MorroW highlights was his streaming marathon <3.
Wishing u luck in 2013. Good last 2 maps vs. RunA.
Would love to see some more streams for u. I think ur stream was the one i watched most in 2012, loved that you streamed every day for a long period of time in MoW. Some practice games against the other WW players would be most appreciated. =D
Morrow will be taking part in http://www.svenskaesportcupen.se/ in 20 minutes, he will play vs Bischu in the first semi final, whereas his team mate StarNaN will play vs Naniwa
On April 02 2013 22:09 Tidus Mino wrote: Morrow will be taking part in http://www.svenskaesportcupen.se/ in 20 minutes, he will play vs Bischu in the first semi final, whereas his team mate StarNaN will play vs Naniwa
Allright taken over ownership of thred and made update on frontpage, if you got any opinions or such just tell me will try to pic up where he left it so sign up if anyone wants and I'll try update from time to time
On December 13 2013 23:10 tompaguden wrote: Allright taken over ownership of thred and made update on frontpage, if you got any opinions or such just tell me will try to pic up where he left it so sign up if anyone wants and I'll try update from time to time
Reeeeeally rough loss against Bischu in Svecup. He looked solid in his play for the most part, it just that damn early game that all Terrans seem to struggle with ATM. :/ So close!
On January 30 2015 07:35 gillon wrote: Easily the most funny and educational stream available nowadays. Big props, hope you get the recognition you deserve.
I hope you were watching his stream today and saw that TvZ on catallena (If you saw it, you'd know which one). Such a sick hold, such a sick game.
I miss morrow, stefan is the epitome of sc2 streaming (with others) and it is sad to not be able to tell him more often how much fun he meant to a whole bunch of people hanging out with him while he got his ass handed to him on ladder.. morrow op.. let morrow stream <3 ps: he got creamed for our sake, streaming is bad practice generally and engaging with the viewers is hard and makes focusing on/in game very hard.. he lost so we could hang with him (the streamer is strong in this one !!! ) thank you stefan
That outro is perhaps the greatest thing since the invention of snus. MorroW is also the first person in recorded history to call his bed the " Masturbation Station". At least to my knowledge.
Really surprised by the rate of improvement he's been making in BW. He started off quite a bit rusty at 1600 mmr and is now sitting at a solid 2.1k in just a little over a week. He plays really well atm for a non-pro gamer.
EPT![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3cCEVTK.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Q1dSe4O.jpg)
Morrow![[image loading]](http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/b/bb/Morrow.png/300px-Morrow.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NQ7GHUM.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eHt76dy.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/e9iIdBD.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ddDEABC.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/g8j1c8Z.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/162/unbenannturc.png)
![[image loading]](http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/5152/unbenannt2iz.png)
![[image loading]](http://img847.imageshack.us/img847/5120/2011lgcinema3dworldcham.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/wZizt.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CUTEh.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/7rCVP.png)
![[image loading]](http://news.replays.net/Uploads/photo/20100823/201008231401082934.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/1tGYp.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/HXplN.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/41Bii3B.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uq8WtZG.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/bnrs6.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/RVTlT.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/Ji6IR.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XCK0x.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/7rCVP.png)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/lWsyM.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/CUTEh.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/wZizt.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/DG1vd.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g216/xxbodomxx/morrow.png?t=1302384178)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/D2gX6.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/9GSmu.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bq3Lt.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/uAXTA.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mcYpi.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/UKbLN.jpg)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/iS9Sx.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/zPYc8.png)
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/K2D1x0B.jpg)
)
