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R0YAL
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1768 Posts
July 13 2011 03:40 GMT
#16841
On July 13 2011 06:23 Invoker wrote:
He is the ultimate zerg, I don't know what happens if he really switches race.

It's like Gandalf joining Mordor.

Eh, i'd be more like Saruman joining Gondor
If Idra did change race he would have one of the best XvZ in the world, after some practice and refinement of course.
Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
BandonBanshee
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada437 Posts
July 13 2011 06:08 GMT
#16842
there was a photoshop of the picture of idra after he 2-0'd MC in MLG Col. Its him with bright red eyes and the zerg logo. If anyone has it could you please pm me?
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 13 2011 06:13 GMT
#16843
On July 13 2011 15:08 BandonBanshee wrote:
there was a photoshop of the picture of idra after he 2-0'd MC in MLG Col. Its him with bright red eyes and the zerg logo. If anyone has it could you please pm me?

look in the OP for the MLG updates
forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 06:54:12
July 13 2011 06:53 GMT
#16844
On July 13 2011 08:17 Sergeras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 08:13 walklightwhat wrote:
On July 13 2011 04:26 starsucks wrote:
Oh wow.

Do you guys remember when I said a girlfriend would harm idrA's performance? Everybody laughed at me. A few pages later motbob came up and said exactly the same thing.....

During HSCIII I said that we should hope Socke defeats Goody as idrA is not familiar and would have massive problems with Goody's playstyle. Fortunately Socke won. And what did just happen a few minutes ago?

I wonder when people start to believe in me and call me the greatest prophet since Nostradamus.....


He doesn't practice. Of course his play is suffering. But, why anyone would need to look further than the fact he just seems to hate playing starcraft 2 for his lack of practice is really confusing.

He has said repeatedly that zerg pisses him off and that SC2 is terrible competitively... Why /would/ you expect him to be able to beat guys who actually practice?
It's the thing that actually he can make a living off.He should be practicing but there are huge problems with the zerg race in general.It's not fun playing zerg and certainly not that easy either.


I don't disagree with any of these posts (god I love zerg fanclubs....) but I have to say a lack of practice might be good. People need to turn off the switch or they risk burning themselves out with too much ladder and playing time, people that come to mind are SeleCT, MVP, FruitDealer.

Of course though the old saying use or lose it, you take too much downtime and you risk just becoming irrelevant and being too far behind in the metagame progressions.
BandonBanshee
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada437 Posts
July 13 2011 07:07 GMT
#16845
On July 13 2011 15:13 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 15:08 BandonBanshee wrote:
there was a photoshop of the picture of idra after he 2-0'd MC in MLG Col. Its him with bright red eyes and the zerg logo. If anyone has it could you please pm me?

look in the OP for the MLG updates

Thanks Whole! My bad I didn't see that.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
July 13 2011 09:26 GMT
#16846
On July 13 2011 16:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 15:13 Whole wrote:
On July 13 2011 15:08 BandonBanshee wrote:
there was a photoshop of the picture of idra after he 2-0'd MC in MLG Col. Its him with bright red eyes and the zerg logo. If anyone has it could you please pm me?

look in the OP for the MLG updates

Thanks Whole! My bad I didn't see that.

np.

They have this awesome SC2 video (thread) about the growth of the scene. A good deal of IdrA beta footage is used in the beginning...I wish they would use some of his wins (vs Tester in final game of the King of the Beta comes to mind), but that is maybe just my bias speaking =P

starsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
233 Posts
July 13 2011 11:16 GMT
#16847
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.

This lack however seems to be not caused by a lack of skill but (mis)understanding of the game in which he believes that the classic, safe style is always superior. What other explaination could there be for showing multi pronged drops in zvp, Nydus and mass ling styles while he almost always sticks to classic stuff against top opponents.

Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt? Terran never uses Ravens and they just can't scan the whole path.

That being said I believe Idra would be a very good protoss in a very short time because he would be fine with standard stuff in pvz but the might have problems in pvp for example.

What makes Sen more succesful than idra at the moment? How can Sen just offrace as Protoss and be competitive against zergs?
Mycl
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1370 Posts
July 13 2011 12:51 GMT
#16848
On July 13 2011 20:16 starsucks wrote:
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.

This lack however seems to be not caused by a lack of skill but (mis)understanding of the game in which he believes that the classic, safe style is always superior. What other explaination could there be for showing multi pronged drops in zvp, Nydus and mass ling styles while he almost always sticks to classic stuff against top opponents.

Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt? Terran never uses Ravens and they just can't scan the whole path.

That being said I believe Idra would be a very good protoss in a very short time because he would be fine with standard stuff in pvz but the might have problems in pvp for example.

What makes Sen more succesful than idra at the moment? How can Sen just offrace as Protoss and be competitive against zergs?


Have you copy+paste this comment from this thread before? I swear I have seen this comment dozens of times in here.
Dariusz
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland657 Posts
July 13 2011 13:06 GMT
#16849
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.


You obviosly don't watch his stream. He has done spinecrawler rushes, baneling sniping PF through nydus, sick drop play, double spire action. He just does not think that playing gimmicky is his best chance to win important games when he has significant advantages over other players, like understanding of the MU, mechanics, macro.

Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt?


Because he thinks, that other players are competent enaugh to scan and he doesn't want to rely on suprise and trickery. He was saying that zergs need to use more burrowed banelings for very long time tho.
starsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
233 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 15:35:52
July 13 2011 15:28 GMT
#16850
On July 13 2011 21:51 Mycl wrote:

Have you copy+paste this comment from this thread before? I swear I have seen this comment dozens of times in here.

Yes, this is what I do all the time to keep you guys busy........Nope. I bet you can't find anything that ingenious on the whole tl forum.

On July 13 2011 22:06 Dariusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.


You obviosly don't watch his stream. He has done spinecrawler rushes, baneling sniping PF through nydus, sick drop play, double spire action. He just does not think that playing gimmicky is his best chance to win important games when he has significant advantages over other players, like understanding of the MU, mechanics, macro.

Show nested quote +
Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt?


Because he thinks, that other players are competent enaugh to scan and he doesn't want to rely on suprise and trickery. He was saying that zergs need to use more burrowed banelings for very long time tho.

lol. Thanks for quoting a small portion of my post and answering it with something I've written in the next paragraph. I know what he has done but I also know what he does in tournaments against "real" opponents.

Scanning? Terrans scan the whole path when they do a marine tank push? Don't tell me something like that. It's not about burrowing banelings right at the edge of the creep. But for example just in front of their base. It's funny how 5 burrowed blings can kill a whole marine tank push and force the terran to just turn around and go home.

My main question is still not answered. Why is Sen more succesful than idra?

Xiaon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States245 Posts
July 13 2011 15:51 GMT
#16851
On July 14 2011 00:28 starsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 21:51 Mycl wrote:

Have you copy+paste this comment from this thread before? I swear I have seen this comment dozens of times in here.

Yes, this is what I do all the time to keep you guys busy........Nope. I bet you can't find anything that ingenious on the whole tl forum.

Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 22:06 Dariusz wrote:
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.


You obviosly don't watch his stream. He has done spinecrawler rushes, baneling sniping PF through nydus, sick drop play, double spire action. He just does not think that playing gimmicky is his best chance to win important games when he has significant advantages over other players, like understanding of the MU, mechanics, macro.

Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt?


Because he thinks, that other players are competent enaugh to scan and he doesn't want to rely on suprise and trickery. He was saying that zergs need to use more burrowed banelings for very long time tho.

lol. Thanks for quoting a small portion of my post and answering it with something I've written in the next paragraph. I know what he has done but I also know what he does in tournaments against "real" opponents.

Scanning? Terrans scan the whole path when they do a marine tank push? Don't tell me something like that. It's not about burrowing banelings right at the edge of the creep. But for example just in front of their base. It's funny how 5 burrowed blings can kill a whole marine tank push and force the terran to just turn around and go home.

My main question is still not answered. Why is Sen more succesful than idra?



obv cause sen practices a shit ton more...
theres a thing called cause -> efect
idra demuslim incontrol lzgamer machine strife cro axslav, oh and INKAAAA
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 16:11:11
July 13 2011 16:07 GMT
#16852
Meh. SEn made third in nasl, IdrA made fourth in MLG, I don't think you can in any way conclude that SEn's more succesful. They mostly play the same style, SEn's zvz is probably a bit better than IdrA's.

Here's their TLPD's:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1176_Sen
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA
starsucks
Profile Joined January 2011
233 Posts
July 13 2011 16:16 GMT
#16853
On July 14 2011 01:07 OrchidThief wrote:
Meh. SEn made third in nasl, IdrA made fourth in MLG, I don't think you can in any way conclude that SEn's more succesful. They mostly play the same style, SEn's zvz is probably a bit better than IdrA's.

Here's their TLPD's:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1176_Sen
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA

Watch the matches vs MC. From both of them.......

I always believed Idra's zvt was miles ahead of Sen's. I'm not so sure anymore.
Xiaon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States245 Posts
July 13 2011 16:28 GMT
#16854
On July 14 2011 01:16 starsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 01:07 OrchidThief wrote:
Meh. SEn made third in nasl, IdrA made fourth in MLG, I don't think you can in any way conclude that SEn's more succesful. They mostly play the same style, SEn's zvz is probably a bit better than IdrA's.

Here's their TLPD's:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1176_Sen
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA

Watch the matches vs MC. From both of them.......

I always believed Idra's zvt was miles ahead of Sen's. I'm not so sure anymore.


wait this might just be me but it sounded like you said MC was t
idra demuslim incontrol lzgamer machine strife cro axslav, oh and INKAAAA
Samuel Neptune
Profile Joined May 2011
United States95 Posts
July 13 2011 16:44 GMT
#16855
On July 14 2011 01:07 OrchidThief wrote:
Meh. SEn made third in nasl, IdrA made fourth in MLG, I don't think you can in any way conclude that SEn's more succesful. They mostly play the same style, SEn's zvz is probably a bit better than IdrA's.

Here's their TLPD's:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1176_Sen
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA


idra has an 80% win rate v zerg, lol
enecateReAP
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom378 Posts
July 13 2011 16:48 GMT
#16856
On July 13 2011 20:16 starsucks wrote:
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.

This lack however seems to be not caused by a lack of skill but (mis)understanding of the game in which he believes that the classic, safe style is always superior. What other explaination could there be for showing multi pronged drops in zvp, Nydus and mass ling styles while he almost always sticks to classic stuff against top opponents.

Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt? Terran never uses Ravens and they just can't scan the whole path.

That being said I believe Idra would be a very good protoss in a very short time because he would be fine with standard stuff in pvz but the might have problems in pvp for example.

What makes Sen more succesful than idra at the moment? How can Sen just offrace as Protoss and be competitive against zergs?


Read the top of the goddamn thread.
The first line is "This is not the "discuss Idra" thread", so stop trying to offer your not only pointless, but incorrect bull that you don't really understand.
Get out of here.
"Stargate units imba" - oGsMC
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
July 13 2011 16:49 GMT
#16857
On July 14 2011 01:16 starsucks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 01:07 OrchidThief wrote:
Meh. SEn made third in nasl, IdrA made fourth in MLG, I don't think you can in any way conclude that SEn's more succesful. They mostly play the same style, SEn's zvz is probably a bit better than IdrA's.

Here's their TLPD's:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1176_Sen
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA

Watch the matches vs MC. From both of them.......

I always believed Idra's zvt was miles ahead of Sen's. I'm not so sure anymore.


What about them? They were just as close as idras games vs MC at dreamhack.

You forget that MC 2-0'ed Sen pretty easily at dreamhack with blink timing attacks that he didn't even attempt once in NASL.
OrchidThief
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark2298 Posts
July 13 2011 16:52 GMT
#16858
On July 14 2011 01:44 Samuel Neptune wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 01:07 OrchidThief wrote:
Meh. SEn made third in nasl, IdrA made fourth in MLG, I don't think you can in any way conclude that SEn's more succesful. They mostly play the same style, SEn's zvz is probably a bit better than IdrA's.

Here's their TLPD's:

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/1176_Sen
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/players/600_IdrA


idra has an 80% win rate v zerg, lol


My point was more that IdrA is probably objectively the more succesful player of the two. Also, the match-up statistics aren't very meaningful if you don't know the actual players they've played against, from my memory IdrA has played some pretty aweful zergs in various tourneys, where SEn has a lot of wins from great overall zerg players like Zenio and July.
TheFrankOne
Profile Joined December 2010
United States667 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-13 17:12:50
July 13 2011 17:02 GMT
#16859
On July 14 2011 01:48 enecateReAP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2011 20:16 starsucks wrote:
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.

This lack however seems to be not caused by a lack of skill but (mis)understanding of the game in which he believes that the classic, safe style is always superior. What other explaination could there be for showing multi pronged drops in zvp, Nydus and mass ling styles while he almost always sticks to classic stuff against top opponents.

Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt? Terran never uses Ravens and they just can't scan the whole path.

That being said I believe Idra would be a very good protoss in a very short time because he would be fine with standard stuff in pvz but the might have problems in pvp for example.

What makes Sen more succesful than idra at the moment? How can Sen just offrace as Protoss and be competitive against zergs?


Read the top of the goddamn thread.
The first line is "This is not the "discuss Idra" thread", so stop trying to offer your not only pointless, but incorrect bull that you don't really understand.
Get out of here.


You read the top of the goddamn thread. Then try not to fail quite so miserably at quoting next time.
Hint: "discuss" doesn't mean "diss"

Hint#2: Copy paste might be a better choice for you when quoting from now on.
For example: "I don't want to completely ban any negative discussion about Idra, though"

Edit: I noticed something else, when putting quotes inside of quotes it is proper to alternate between singe and double quotation marks. It should look like: "This is not the 'discuss idra' thread" see how those quotation marks changed?

Isn't this website great? You can learn grammar and reading comprehension skills!
Xiaon
Profile Joined May 2011
United States245 Posts
July 13 2011 17:15 GMT
#16860
On July 14 2011 02:02 TheFrankOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2011 01:48 enecateReAP wrote:
On July 13 2011 20:16 starsucks wrote:
Idra is generally very good and precise at executing stuff while he lacks creativity and diversity in his playstyle.

This lack however seems to be not caused by a lack of skill but (mis)understanding of the game in which he believes that the classic, safe style is always superior. What other explaination could there be for showing multi pronged drops in zvp, Nydus and mass ling styles while he almost always sticks to classic stuff against top opponents.

Why doesn't he use burrowed banelings in zvt? Terran never uses Ravens and they just can't scan the whole path.

That being said I believe Idra would be a very good protoss in a very short time because he would be fine with standard stuff in pvz but the might have problems in pvp for example.

What makes Sen more succesful than idra at the moment? How can Sen just offrace as Protoss and be competitive against zergs?


Read the top of the goddamn thread.
The first line is "This is not the "discuss Idra" thread", so stop trying to offer your not only pointless, but incorrect bull that you don't really understand.
Get out of here.


You read the top of the goddamn thread. Then try not to fail quite so miserably at quoting next time.
Hint: "discuss" doesn't mean "diss"

Hint#2: Copy paste might be a better choice for you when quoting from now on.
For example: "I don't want to completely ban any negative discussion about Idra, though"

Edit: I noticed something else, when putting quotes inside of quotes it is proper to alternate between singe and double quotation marks. It should look like: "This is not the 'discuss idra' thread" see how those quotation marks changed?

Isn't this website great? You can learn grammar and reading comprehension skills!


meh he didnt noticed a mod editred it
it used to say discuss idra
then someone changed to diss
idra demuslim incontrol lzgamer machine strife cro axslav, oh and INKAAAA
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