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On July 13 2011 05:33 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
IdrA wouldn't be good switching to Terran...
In BW, (correct me if I'm wrong) but Terran was the macro race that you could be very passive with. IdrA is a passive player, Zerg is a passive race that allows you to macro like a boss (something IdrA likes to do).
Eventually, yes he probably would be on par with other pros, but would it suit his style?
like all the races in bw were the "macro" race. I would still say zerg in bw was the "macro" race as well but all 3 were in a sense. All the races had different all ins they could do, all could play strong macro styles (zerg needing to be up +1 base).
I think Idra would be good at whatever race he chooses for sc2 but I know he prefers zerg, and hope he sticks to them which I believe he will.
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On July 13 2011 06:12 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 05:33 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
IdrA wouldn't be good switching to Terran...
In BW, (correct me if I'm wrong) but Terran was the macro race that you could be very passive with. IdrA is a passive player, Zerg is a passive race that allows you to macro like a boss (something IdrA likes to do).
Eventually, yes he probably would be on par with other pros, but would it suit his style? like all the races in bw were the "macro" race. I would still say zerg in bw was the "macro" race as well but all 3 were in a sense. All the races had different all ins they could do, all could play strong macro styles (zerg needing to be up +1 base). I think Idra would be good at whatever race he chooses for sc2 but I know he prefers zerg, and hope he sticks to them which I believe he will.
I certainly prefer him as zerg, if he were T or P I dunno who I'd copy my playstyle off of ^_________^
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He is the ultimate zerg, I don't know what happens if he really switches race.
It's like Gandalf joining Mordor.
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What's with Idra lately, didn't see him in any major tournament, or streaming here on TL.
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On July 13 2011 06:23 ViperPL wrote:
What's with Idra lately, didn't see him in any major tournament, or streaming here on TL.
After Dreamhack and HSC, he was practicing in Europe for a while @ Ret's place. He's back in the states, but he's been busy w/ moving into the EG house and other stuff.
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On July 13 2011 06:10 Karthane wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:26 starsucks wrote:
Oh wow.
Do you guys remember when I said a girlfriend would harm idrA's performance? Everybody laughed at me. A few pages later motbob came up and said exactly the same thing.....
During HSCIII I said that we should hope Socke defeats Goody as idrA is not familiar and would have massive problems with Goody's playstyle. Fortunately Socke won. And what did just happen a few minutes ago?
I wonder when people start to believe in me and call me the greatest prophet since Nostradamus..... Or Idra just lost, and it had nothing to do with his girlfriend. You act like they spend a lot of time together or something, when in reality they probably haven't seen each other since MLG considering they don't even live in the same state. In fact i think she lives in canada
I heard rumors that he actually is in Canada right now ;o
Anyway, IdrA will be playing IEM Americas Championship Tournament in upcoming days. Hopefully he can gain a spot for Gamescom.
Also Inside the Game is today, tune in!
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I love you Idra your the reason I watch SC!!
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What a great thread.
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I love you Greg!!
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On July 13 2011 04:26 starsucks wrote:
Oh wow.
Do you guys remember when I said a girlfriend would harm idrA's performance? Everybody laughed at me. A few pages later motbob came up and said exactly the same thing.....
During HSCIII I said that we should hope Socke defeats Goody as idrA is not familiar and would have massive problems with Goody's playstyle. Fortunately Socke won. And what did just happen a few minutes ago?
I wonder when people start to believe in me and call me the greatest prophet since Nostradamus.....
He doesn't practice. Of course his play is suffering. But, why anyone would need to look further than the fact he just seems to hate playing starcraft 2 for his lack of practice is really confusing.
He has said repeatedly that zerg pisses him off and that SC2 is terrible competitively... Why /would/ you expect him to be able to beat guys who actually practice?
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On July 13 2011 08:13 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 04:26 starsucks wrote:
Oh wow.
Do you guys remember when I said a girlfriend would harm idrA's performance? Everybody laughed at me. A few pages later motbob came up and said exactly the same thing.....
During HSCIII I said that we should hope Socke defeats Goody as idrA is not familiar and would have massive problems with Goody's playstyle. Fortunately Socke won. And what did just happen a few minutes ago?
I wonder when people start to believe in me and call me the greatest prophet since Nostradamus..... He doesn't practice. Of course his play is suffering. But, why anyone would need to look further than the fact he just seems to hate playing starcraft 2 for his lack of practice is really confusing. He has said repeatedly that zerg pisses him off and that SC2 is terrible competitively... Why /would/ you expect him to be able to beat guys who actually practice? It's the thing that actually he can make a living off.He should be practicing but there are huge problems with the zerg race in general.It's not fun playing zerg and certainly not that easy either.
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On July 13 2011 08:17 Sergeras wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 08:13 walklightwhat wrote:On July 13 2011 04:26 starsucks wrote:
Oh wow.
Do you guys remember when I said a girlfriend would harm idrA's performance? Everybody laughed at me. A few pages later motbob came up and said exactly the same thing.....
During HSCIII I said that we should hope Socke defeats Goody as idrA is not familiar and would have massive problems with Goody's playstyle. Fortunately Socke won. And what did just happen a few minutes ago?
I wonder when people start to believe in me and call me the greatest prophet since Nostradamus..... He doesn't practice. Of course his play is suffering. But, why anyone would need to look further than the fact he just seems to hate playing starcraft 2 for his lack of practice is really confusing. He has said repeatedly that zerg pisses him off and that SC2 is terrible competitively... Why /would/ you expect him to be able to beat guys who actually practice? It's the thing that actually he can make a living off.He should be practicing but there are huge problems with the zerg race in general.It's not fun playing zerg and certainly not that easy either.
Ever think he just dosen't like SC2? He's one among many pros who feel negatively about it.. Just look at several other Pros who don't practice and their play is declining. No names need to be mentioned to avoid further controversy.. You are looking at the wrong "opinions".
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It's his life and his decision and not yours. For gods sake please let him have a girlfriend...
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Just because he said he isn't practicing as much and complained about SC2, it doesn't mean he just isn't practicing. He also said that he needs to fulfil his team's expectations and the game is still his job, so it isn't like he is declining all of his practice time.
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On July 13 2011 11:33 Whole wrote:
Just because he said he isn't practicing as much and complained about SC2, it doesn't mean he just isn't practicing. He also said that he needs to fulfil his team's expectations and the game is still his job, so it isn't like he is declining all of his practice time.
Practicing 2-3 hours a day, you may as well not be practicing at all. Especially if you are only playing mediocre NA ladder players.
Getting through his group will be hard enough, but 2-3 hours of mediocre practice aren't going to cut it vs MMA, DRG, MVP etc.
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On July 13 2011 11:40 walklightwhat wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2011 11:33 Whole wrote:
Just because he said he isn't practicing as much and complained about SC2, it doesn't mean he just isn't practicing. He also said that he needs to fulfil his team's expectations and the game is still his job, so it isn't like he is declining all of his practice time. Practicing 2-3 hours a day, you may as well not be practicing at all. Especially if you are only playing mediocre NA ladder players. Getting through his group will be hard enough, but 2-3 hours of mediocre practice aren't going to cut it vs MMA, DRG, MVP etc.
good thing he's going to be bootcamping with other EG players. they'll all get better as long as they all practice enough.
that's the thing: the korean scene is stronger as a whole not just because they as individuals practice more, but they also practice against people who practice more. in the NA scene, even if you as an individual commit to practice more, you're still practicing against shitty players or at the most people who don't play much, so it won't help that much. however, in a team house environment where everyone is playing a ton, everyone gets a whole hell of a lot better practice. as long as the players on EG commit to practicing as much as they need to, they'll dominate the NA scene and be able to compete with the Koreans.
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On July 13 2011 05:14 Legio wrote:
The more I watch the metagame between the races change, the more I think IdrA is stuck with the wrong race.
Z right now need to be inventive, sneaky, unexpected with multipronged attacks and raids. While IdrA has excellent multitasking, none of his strengths favor this kind of play. Zerg drops require no micro, so his multitasking is wasted there.. if you think about it the drops are usually just suicide drops that exist to keep the enemy army home.
Terran on the other hand has deadly drops, and with IdrAs awareness, constant scouting and multitasking, banshee harass in his hands would be extremely deadly. He would also be good at handling a mixed MM and tank ball, and stimming only the units he needed to chase down mutas and smaller groups.
Just imagine how deadly Idra would be using ghosts. He was one of the first people to say ghosts would be huge, and now they dominate TvP, and are getting more prominent in TvZ as well.
Inventive, sneaky play goes against everything IdrA has practised and perfected. I feel that going back to T would pay off for IdrA within 2 months, and after that he would be a monster terran.
Idra said a while ago that he tried Terran but didn't like it's play style at all.
Also I don't see how your points can't apply to Zerg as well. Constant scouting and multitasking is obviously good for a reactionary race and one that, as you say, requires multi pronged attacks and drops. Idra's strength is his macro mechanics and Zerg is obviously the best race to showcase that. If he would be deadly using ghosts why wouldn't he be deadly using infestors? If he's good at multitasking why would he not be good with a muta / ling / baneling composition that stresses mobility and constant harass?
You're outlining very vague skill sets and concluding they're only good for Terran, but offering no good reasons as to why they're not as applicable for any other race. I think Zerg suits Idra very well, he just has a defeatist attitude and weak mindset at times that hinders him from being the best player he could possibly be (although granted, he's still amazing).
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All this talk about different race strengths and styles of play. Makes me wish I could film all the pro players playing. And see if there is a collective 'style' or 'focus' that applies to certain races.
Like: Record their hand movements and screen positions. Maybe there is something worth finding out there.
Or maybe it's a mental thing? Something physically undefinable, yet is there.
Idk, but I do wish more people record like a over the shoulder view of the players, or some equivalent 3rd person shot.
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fuck ya release the gracken sign me up
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Idra's zvh is the only reason i watch sc2
although huk has been owning him lately...
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On July 13 2011 12:14 firehand101 wrote:
Idra's zvh is the only reason i watch sc2
although huk has been owning him lately...
No. Just no. Winning one match with blink stalkers doesn't constitute "owning."
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