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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
From fast roach/ling, to nydus or fast drops, etc. So yeah, lesson learned for idra, never play macro games against protoss. Find some good all-ins like the nestea spine rush or mass bane drops or something... muta/ling and R/H/C doesn't work against competent protoss able to use blink at a high level. | ||
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SnetteL
Belgium473 Posts
He just seems clueless what to do to finish off a protoss mid to lategame. | ||
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Laerties
United States361 Posts
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Nawyria
Netherlands140 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:56 Az0r_au wrote: + Show Spoiler + On June 20 2011 05:51 Nawyria wrote: In game 2, I'd attribute MC's victory to IdrA's positioning and army movement. When he engaged with his initial swell of Roaches, he did so through the choke between the ramps of MC's main and third, got forcefielded and retreated half his burrowed roaches under the forcefields while leaving the other half to die. When he engaged the second time, he again pushed through this choke and had to tunnel through a 3-layered wall of forcefields, losing many roaches in the process. Then when MC pushed, he used his blink to get an amazing concave on IdrA's army and combined with his upgrade advantage, took the game. Things would have gone quite differently if IdrA would have taken part of his army and did a flank from the ramp to MC's third, perhaps leading with a couple of zerglings. The space between the natural and 3rd is the most wide open area on all of metal its the best possible place to engage. Oh you want him to split off a portion of his army like he did in game1 and had them absolutely crushed because the rest of his army was unable to assist. You're forgetting MC had blink at this point and can easily reposition . A good Protoss controls when and how zerg engages which is one of the most crucial things zergs need on their side because their units are so low range. It's not that much wider than either attack path alongside the watchtowers and it's still fairly doable to effectively forcefield with only a couple of sentries, as MC displayed. I'm not saying IdrA was wrong in engaging in the widest choke of the map, I'm saying he should have engaged in two chokes at the same time. Flanking is really a force multiplier and even if MC would have been able to react to this, it would cost him twice as many forcfields to do it. Yes, I'm saying IdrA should have split off a couple of his Roaches there, seeing as Blink was not out when IdrA first engaged (and wasn't until MC pushed if I recall correctly), MC's stalker count had not swelled to it's critical mass and he lacked his +2 attack. If MC had pushed to his third from that point, IdrA's roaches could flank from behind; if MC had pushed to IdrA's main at that point, he'd have to engage in the more spread-out area just outside the choke. The situation is incomparable to that in game 1, where MC had the high ground and was equipped with a veritable 170+ supply colossus doomball as IdrA's forces slowly trickled in. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
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Squalish
United States137 Posts
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Xadar
497 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
- Continues to practice only a few hours a day - Has a girlfriend That's just the way it is. Just ask  Stork or  Calm or anyone on Airforce ACE. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:58 pt wrote: What else can you make? Lings and hydras would get evaporated by colossi/stalker. Roaches have good health and are cheap. you must not have been watching ZvPs lately, theres strong compositions vs Protoss. Ling hydra is not it lol. On June 20 2011 06:02 Mailing wrote: To people still talking about Losira, he all-in'ed mc and does it almost every game before MC can take a third. Yes, these are in fact all-in and not pressure builds, they are reliant on ending the game and if protoss is able to stabilize and make tech units, he is dead. From fast roach/ling, to nydus or fast drops, etc. So yeah, lesson learned for idra, never play macro games against protoss. Find some good all-ins like the nestea spine rush or mass bane drops or something... muta/ling and R/H/C doesn't work against competent protoss able to use blink at a high level. Never play macro games against protoss? Sen would like to disagree, while he also complains about Protoss timing pushes he doesnt complain about late game ZvP and he can handle a 200/200 protoss army just fine. | ||
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TI83
78 Posts
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Velocity`
United Kingdom343 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:05 motbob wrote: Idra can coast along on his Korean training enough to be the best foreigner. But years of following the Korean BW scene has taught me the following: Idra will never be a world-class player if he - Continues to practice only a few hours a day - Has a girlfriend That's just the way it is. Just ask Stork or Calm or anyone on Airforce ACE.You know that MVP, MC, Polt, etc all have gfs right? | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Mailing
United States3087 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:05 motbob wrote: Idra can coast along on his Korean training enough to be the best foreigner. But years of following the Korean BW scene has taught me the following: Idra will never be a world-class player if he - Continues to practice only a few hours a day - Has a girlfriend That's just the way it is. Just ask Stork or Calm or anyone on Airforce ACE.MC has a girlfriend and is doing fine, doesn't NesTea as well? | ||
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Tilorn
Serbia75 Posts
The 170 vs 100 food thing is not as one sided as it seems since IdrA had 40 more drones, so make that 130 vs 100, cut out the workers, 100 vs 65ish, suddenly, in much smaller numbers, blink stalkers will slaughter the army they are designed to counter. As for the "OMG FF AND BLINK IS BULL****", why is the sc2 community looking at the abilities and not the players using them? Remember any of the games of Flash vs Jaedong, you don't whine that dark swarm is imba, you say "omg jaedong is awesome", the same should be for sc2, MC just microed like a boss, stop whining and please get off TL, you are the reason IdrA fans are considered as idiots. Let us hope that this fanclub will one day become decent. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:07 7mk wrote: yea motbob that stuff doesnt really count for SC2 players OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait. | ||
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Chargelot
2275 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote: OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait. I have to agree with motbob here. SC2 is still in its infancy compared to BW. The effects of training 12+ hours a day become exponential after 4-5 years of doing it. But as with everything, we shall see how it works out. | ||
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Greatness
United States450 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote: OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait. I also hate when people are like "SC2 takes a lot less skill then SC1" Idra seems to also think this, and he's gravely mistaken, there's plenty of micro tricks to gain the upper hand in a balanced game, and I think, at this point, the matchups are pretty balanced. Idra just amoved his deathball, didn't even micro them at all, he messed up, a lot. | ||
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darmousseh
United States3437 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:05 motbob wrote: Idra can coast along on his Korean training enough to be the best foreigner. But years of following the Korean BW scene has taught me the following: Idra will never be a world-class player if he - Continues to practice only a few hours a day - Has a girlfriend That's just the way it is. Just ask Stork or Calm or anyone on Airforce ACE.This x 100. Also it seems like that IdrA tends to play and understand the game on his own. In korea at least he talked with artosis, but without being in a situation that is constantly pushing him to play better and without getting feedback from other great zerg players (machine is not a "great" player) then he will continue to lose these games. I like you greg, but you are kinda making me sad  I'll be at mlg anaheim so I hope I can see you perform your best there. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:07 Velocity` wrote: You know that MVP, MC, Polt, etc all have gfs right? Polt also goes to like the Harvard of Korea apparently lol that's what I call multitasking | ||
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Zhul
Czech Republic430 Posts
On June 20 2011 06:05 KvltMan wrote: I'm just gonna spit it out there, but I'm seriously hoping for a race-switch for Greg in HotS. I think he follows his SC1 race-path and goes for Terran in HotS. Probably not. As he said he has selfrespect  | ||
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