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On June 20 2011 05 :32 starsucks wrote:
Even though I knew exactly this would happen and as you know I predicted it
I CAN NOT FUCKING EXPRESS MY FUCKING HATE TOWARDS EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!!!!!
FUCK THIS GAME!!!! FUCK THIS STUPID DAY 9 GUY WHO HAS NO IDEA OF THIS FUCKING GAME!!! FUCK THIS FUCKING SHIT GAME WHICH IS IMBALANCED AS FUCK!!!! FUCK PROTOSS!!! FUCK EVERYTHING!!!!
idra played so fucking well in both games but why even try. Why even try if there's fuckin shit like this. Just Forcefields and blink. FUCK EVERYTHING.
And last but not least I'll take a fucking shit in this stupid "unit counting station".
You know, there is some drugged up, brainwashed cult member somewhere reading this and thinking "my god...even we arent this batshit crazy!"
I bet even Greg himself thinks he has some of the worst "fans" in the world, you should not be sitting on TL.net, you should be in a maximum security insane asylum.
So he lost at a videogame, he will come back next tournament and try again, cmon guys
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Honestly...I don't know what to think of IdrA anymore... his unit composition and battle micro seems weak... his "macro" is strong? at what...keeping his money low and then getting slaughtered with pure roach?
His ZvT is strong looking, his ZvZ has moments of brilliance, but it is almost like he doesn't know what to build and when in ZvP even when he's wayyyyyyyy ahead.
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On June 20 2011 05:48 jexxto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:37 yowza wrote:This is by far one of the most entertaining threads to browse after every single idra loss. Also I guess you're happily ignoring the fact that losira steamrolled MC at MLG, so much for the imbalance tears  This pretty much. You guys are acting like MC isn't one of, if not THE best protoss in the world. You're also acting like IdrA didn't make any mistakes in these games.
Actually in regards to Game2 I think most people here just feel like the (imo) horrible mistakes MC made, should have lost him the game. Maybe IdrA was too passive there, who knows, surely not me..
IdrA will analyze the games and learn from them. Everything will sort itself out..
And IdrA will beat MC at the Homestory Cup!!!
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On June 20 2011 05:47 PhaseTwo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:46 7mk wrote:On June 20 2011 05:42 cavalier117 wrote:On June 20 2011 05:36 Fleebenworth wrote:
He needed earlier and more hydras in game two and he didn't build an infestor in either game. Blink stalkers are good against masses of low-range, low dps units(especially when you fall behind in upgrades). Neither games lasted long enough for infestors.... they take SOO long to get out, especially with Pathogen glands being a MUST. game 1=corrupters being way more important to get b4 infestors. they couldnt even get out in time when he had 4 bases and PERFECT macro. game two didnt last near enough for infestors. L2 build order times... how can you have perfect macro on 4 bases and only manage to get out 5 corruptors vs 5 or 6 colossi? Thats not perfect to me. Would have really liked to see idra win but his engagement were always microed pretty poorly and anyone who says he couldnt have gotten fungal out in time in game 2 is wrong. Hope he works on his ZvP style a bit to finally beat some koreans ^^ he had more, they were not with the army
I see thx, thats really bad too then
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Im so disgusted seeing people still complaining about that protoss isnt really OP , after what we just saw in game 2. Ok, Idra maybe didnt respond well vs blink stalkers, he should have those infestors BUT in that last battle he lost his whole army and MC didnt lose even 10 supply, also for example that battle 170 vs 100 supply.
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I think most people would have to admit after looking at those games. That blink stalkers and the toss army in general, is far far stronger than the zerg army if controlled well. So there is imbalance if the zerg is played the way idra plays it, ie(straight up) Going for fights.
I feel like there are ways round this if good harassment, counters drops and agression are used. But ultiamately. If the zerg cant make an army that can reliably deal with the toss army, without being alot bigger i think something needs to be done.
I don't think idra played perfectly in those games though, the timing attack in game 1 wasn't microed perfectly, and idra lost alot of stuff for not a great deal of real damamge. and ofcourse the maxed toss army is going be unstoppable without an excessive corruptor count and infestors.
However i really think idra needs to use infestors more and earlier
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Does the ban thread always get like 1-2 pages worth of bans whenever IdrA loses to protoss?
Holy shit IdrA is popular :D
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On June 20 2011 05:51 Nawyria wrote:
In game 2, I'd attribute MC's victory to IdrA's positioning and army movement. When he engaged with his initial swell of Roaches, he did so through the choke between the ramps of MC's main and third, got forcefielded and retreated half his burrowed roaches under the forcefields while leaving the other half to die. When he engaged the second time, he again pushed through this choke and had to tunnel through a 3-layered wall of forcefields, losing many roaches in the process. Then when MC pushed, he used his blink to get an amazing concave on IdrA's army and combined with his upgrade advantage, took the game. Things would have gone quite differently if IdrA would have taken part of his army and did a flank from the ramp to MC's third, perhaps leading with a couple of zerglings.
The space between the natural and 3rd is the most wide open area on all of metal its the best possible place to engage. Oh you want him to split off a portion of his army like he did in game1 and had them absolutely crushed because the rest of his army was unable to assist. You're forgetting MC had blink at this point and can easily reposition . A good Protoss controls when and how zerg engages which is one of the most crucial things zergs need on their side because their units are so low range.
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Sad IdrA lost,
but what im pissed about is my mom unplugged the router like...1 minute in...I cried, god damn im excited for college
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On June 20 2011 05:53 Milqman wrote:
Honestly...I don't know what to think of IdrA anymore... his unit composition and battle micro seems weak... his "macro" is strong? at what...keeping his money low and then getting slaughtered with pure roach?
His ZvT is strong looking, his ZvZ has moments of brilliance, but it is almost like he doesn't know what to build and when in ZvP even when he's wayyyyyyyy ahead.
I think the only reason he looks hopeless in ZvP, is because his only recent ZvP's have been against MC. No one knows what to build against MC (except perhaps Losira)
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On June 20 2011 05:53 SENKi wrote:
Im so disgusted seeing people still complaining about that protoss isnt really OP , after what we just saw in game 2. Ok, Idra maybe didnt respond well vs blink stalkers, he should have those infestors BUT in that last battle he lost his whole army and MC didnt lose even 10 supply, also for example that battle 170 vs 100 supply. Except MC had an immortal which just blasts away roaches, and MC had 2/0 upgrades. Q_Q
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I'm sure he didn't get the results he wanted, but I was pretty impressed with IdrA during Dreamhack. Managing to get through the group stage while playing below his usual standard and then going toe-to-toe with, arguably, the best player in the world.
Onto Homestory~!
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It's so disappointing to see IdrA being eliminated from tournaments time and time again by oGsMC, god I fucking hate seeing it every time. IdrA needs new builds for toss or something, it seems like I'm always watching the same game.
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On June 20 2011 05:54 Hypemeup wrote:
Does the ban thread always get like 1-2 pages worth of bans whenever IdrA loses to protoss?
Holy shit IdrA is popular :D
Yea its the best to read this thread for some epic lawls
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On June 20 2011 05:53 Milqman wrote:
Honestly...I don't know what to think of IdrA anymore... his unit composition and battle micro seems weak... his "macro" is strong? at what...keeping his money low and then getting slaughtered with pure roach?
His ZvT is strong looking, his ZvZ has moments of brilliance, but it is almost like he doesn't know what to build and when in ZvP even when he's wayyyyyyyy ahead.
What else can you make? Lings and hydras would get evaporated by colossi/stalker. Roaches have good health and are cheap.
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On June 20 2011 05:57 Pandemona wrote:Idra tried!!! He nearly had the mother F***** but bad engangement on game 1 which kinda wasnt his fault cost him that game. Game 2 he was so far ahead but i duno i just failed  was very sad. But least he tried his best all we can ask for... And AGAIN i say, Idra left korea to go to EU/NA to win easy money to not have to face these Koreans, who are the ONLY ones who will ever beat idra on the big stage in the big games. But he always is coming up against them everytime! So annoying, oh well we all know he has the skills to keep bouncing back and least he played 10x better than he did on day1! IDRA FIGHTING
I don't think he left to make easy money. I think he left because it was possible to make money without living in korea. Imagine living in a place where you can barely communicate with anyone just to make money.
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Idra should really change his style of play vs protoss, roach/hydra/corrupter doesn't seem to do him any good especially vs a player of MC's caliber. Idra is too predictable and stubborn when it comes to his strategies, he should give muta/ling a try, its been giving a lot of toss's trouble lately.
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idra did good. congrats. i think he is distracted by something in his life. i know he can be the best sc2 player in the world. you can do it idra!!!!!
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On June 20 2011 05:58 pt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 05:53 Milqman wrote:
Honestly...I don't know what to think of IdrA anymore... his unit composition and battle micro seems weak... his "macro" is strong? at what...keeping his money low and then getting slaughtered with pure roach?
His ZvT is strong looking, his ZvZ has moments of brilliance, but it is almost like he doesn't know what to build and when in ZvP even when he's wayyyyyyyy ahead. What else can you make? Lings and hydras would get evaporated by colossi/stalker. Roaches have good health and are cheap.
Indeed, you need the EXCAT composition are the EXCAT moment to beat a Protos (Top leveled 1s anyway).
Roach Hydra Ling are good but 2 collosi as proven melt that to pieces. Then you over componsate corrupters and just mass blink stalker roll you. Then you add infestors but you need to be able to hole any pressure up to the point of getting the infestors before you die to it.
So much tactics to work on, But please this is IDRA you are talking about for christ sake >.< he practicing playing "3hours a day" he THINKS about build orders the rest of the day! He is not an idiot and he is trying to address the situations.
The most effective way i have seem him beat protos is by drop play, but i guess soon as the protos has got stargate it must be hard to attempt that. I dont know im not a proffessional gamer i cannot come to think of it on the level as Idra/MC/Ret etc! Please have some common sense in your posts
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